Dual Covenant Theology

[Cobus]

please would you explain (from scripture) what elevates the modern-day Jew over the modern-day Gentile?

I also would not use the word ELEVATES, but does this give you an indication...
First... WHO did Jesus come for... The LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL! ... Clearly Jesus said you do not give the bread on the table to the dogs,.... When He spoke to a GENTILE WOMAN.... And she showed Him FAITH like he did not find in Israel... So Jesus recons we are DOGS?...

And then there is this scripture.... Romans 11:17... And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Consider their "enemy" islam is defeated in a war and then they all find common good to bring "peace and safety" to the world....

God said there would be no peace in canaan as long as isreal was in sin..

I chose to trust god.. not wonder if Islam and isreal will find common ground. (which it seems people are demanding happen) The world hates Isreal, it has since her inception. Even if Islam was defeated. there would be someone else to hate on israel, and there still would be no peace.

There will be no peace until the end.. when God destroys all evil, and then there will be peace all over the earth, as we are all united in christ.

 

[Cobus]

Zonie about KEEPING the LAW.... In Luke 1 God says this....
There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Now if these two people were to die BLAMELESS and RIGHTEOUS before God, WHERE WILL THEY GO ...HEAVEN OR HELL? Let us say they did not have John and they died as they were found at this stage... I say, HEAVEN, because not even GOD had blame or unrighteousness (sin) on them...

Looks like there were some that KEPT ALL the laws of God... Like He intended...

 

[loveme1]

Consider their "enemy" islam is defeated in a war and then they all find common good to bring "peace and safety" to the world....

God said there would be no peace in canaan as long as isreal was in sin..

I chose to trust god.. not wonder if Islam and isreal will find common ground. The world hates Isreal, it has since her inception. Even if Islam was defeated. there would be someone else to hate on israel, and there still would be no peace.

I Trust the Almighty.

i'm not saying there will be "peace" for it is written that destruction comes...

i'm saying all things come to pass leading to the Harvest.

i certainly consider that this is paving way for something to deceive people into accepting something in the near future.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Consider their "enemy" islam is defeated in a war and then they all find common good to bring "peace and safety" to the world....

I Trust the Almighty.

i'm not saying there will be "peace" for it is written that destruction comes...

i'm saying all things come to pass leading to the Harvest.

i certainly consider that this is paving way for something to deceive people into accepting something in the near future.

may I ask what you mean, about decieving people? so I am sure I understand what you mean

 

[loveme1]

may I ask what you mean, about decieving people? so I am sure I understand what you mean

What is the possible outcome of people accepting this theology?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What is the possible outcome of people accepting this theology?

oh ok.. I understand and agree completely.. this theology is bad. and many will be deceived by it..

I was just making sure you were talking about this, and possible future events..

 

[loveme1]

There is one way to be reconciled with Heavenly Father and that is through the Messiah that came and will return.

Put on the full Armour of God and let no one tell you otherwise.

To believe two Covenants is to deny the above.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is one way to be reconciled with Heavenly Father and that is through the Messiah that came and will return.

Put on the full Armour of God and let no one tell you otherwise.

To believe two Covenants is to deny the above.

to believe in two covenants is to make the same mistake Israel made.. which would not be a good thing!

 

[loveme1]

to believe in two covenants is to make the same mistake Israel made.. which would not be a good thing!

What we should do is consider the outcome of this "theology" and what purpose it will serve.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What we should do is consider the outcome of this "theology" and what purpose it will serve.

it would serve the same outcome of any legalistic based gospel. it will make people think they are going to heaven because they are righteous people obeying Gods commands and doing all the religious ceremony,, but in the end, it will lead to eternal condemnation.

 

[tribesman]

it would serve the same outcome of any legalistic based gospel. it will make people think they are going to heaven because they are righteous people obeying Gods commands and doing all the religious ceremony,, but in the end, it will lead to eternal condemnation.

Its a deadly entanglement. People who think themselves to be righteous see no need to repent and believe the gospel.

[h=3]Luke.5[/h][30] But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners?
[31] And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
[32] I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

[zone]

What we should do is consider the outcome of this "theology" and what purpose it will serve.

loveme,
we already see a couple of things suggested and literally being believed and acted on (this is not accidental):

1) people believing and teaching, amazingly, that there are currently Two Covenants God is honoring.

this completely nullifies The Work of Christ in fulfilling the Law - for some people

2) we are to skip over or downgrade 70AD where the Covenant Curses actually came down on apostate Jerusalem (apostate rabbinic Judaism etc), and the Old Covenant with all things related to it ended - no telple; no priesthood; no sarcifices...nothing.

3) The Father is willing to play two hands at once - telling Christians (jew? & gentile) through His WORD MADE FLESH - LOGOS - JESUS CHRIST there's only way to Him, through His Son...while at the very same time, expecting us to discern who is an unbelieving jew yet is one somehow protected under The Old Covenant He told christians was fulfilled.

we have the Father denying the Son's Work!
we have the specific Saviour, the very Messiah coming, yet denying Himself!

4) all of this is to be believed...for one reason - because according to our eyes and ears, the majority of jews do not acknowledge Jesus Christ of Nazareth.....

ERGO - this MUST mean God is playing TWO HANDS AT ONCE and being duplicitous in what He Himself said THROUGH Emmanuel, which means GOD WITH US.

5) because we have come to be convinced that those who identify as jews YET do not believe are NOT cut off branches, we have to believe something else to explain how The Son could be denied, yet believed upon unto salvation.

6) we never ask ourselves HOW we came to be convinced God has Two Plans; Two Covenants; Two Peoples AT THE VERY SAME TIME, and that the doctrines (supposedly) would be completely at odds with one another - a completely contradictory system...making GOD supposedly at the very least unclear about His very own Plan, and Who is Son is.

7) since we no longer believe there is ONE OLIVE TREE (jew first, gentiles grafted in, no distinction)....we now wonder what exactly is it so-called-saved-but-mercifully-blinded-jews are doing....or look like or are holding to that we SHOULD uphold, emulate or excuse.....

what is the answer?

MOSAIC LAW.

8) and yet, even without having to scratch the surface, we still refuse to see it's not Mosaic Law at all that's held to, believed on, lived by. it's something else all together.

9) we have elevated a certain group of people, and a certain set of practices and beliefs either equal to (one people with One Covenant being honored/having salvation) or above the ONE Olive Tree our fathers KNEW was God's peoples.

so we decide christians must be a different tree.
and since all things appear to be focused and a grand peoples around whom everything revolves...we look to see what they are "doing" that God is HONORING.

we see LAWS.

10) we want to honor Israel, but we do not believe there is a Spiritual Israel - One Tree any more. we threw that notion away somewhere, and have skipped over Jesus THE Christ, Christians (jew and gentiles) HIS people....and have looked to something else as being ACCEPTABLE to God.

11) we have been conditioned to, and as gullible children are, preparing to give up our inheritance (you who would be justified by the Law have been severed from Christ, you have fallen from Grace) and we have chosen rather to follow cunningly devised myths and fables....

12) we refuse to believe that passages such as "take hold of the skirt of one who is a jew" was fulfilled in the First Century, and we have placed in today.

the obvious result is we are looking to Talmudic Rabbinic Judaism (which was utterly condemned by Jesus Christ the Word Made Flesh) as our ROOT.

we have turned to The Pharisees themselves and denied the very Lord Jesus who bought us.

13) and we refuse until WE ARE UNABLE to see that they have had a plan for nearly 2000 years to take by force what was taken from their Fathers and given to a people bearing the fruit of the Kingdom WHICH IS NOT OF THIS WORLD.

included in their Law (which despises and blasphemes The Very Lord Jesus Himself) is the plan to subjugate gentiles.....and say this is God's Plan after all.

and do we not see this very thing said today?

14) YET - after so much conditioning to react to guilt-transference, projection and shaming we are WILLING to deny Jesus Christ Himself before men.

we don't believe ANYTHING that's written. if we ever did, we no longer do. we only give lip service to it.

we have become the enemies of the True Gospel, and therefore the enemies of Christ Himself, who DIED ONCE for all.

no, we have chosen some other tree. and we refuse to talk about it....it is unmentionable:

Dual-covenant theology is a Christian view of the Old Covenant which holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come.


we refuse to talk about it because we are cowardly and fearful and unlearned.

~

not bothering with typos or whatever.

zone

 

[Abbe]

are you able to understand what you are reading and saying?

IS THE FOLLOWING TRUE OR FALSE?

Dual-covenant theology is a Christian view of the Old Covenant which holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come.

will jews be saved by rejecting JESUS CHRIST

yes or no?

if you answer with a bunch of silly gibberish i won't respond.

No, any one that rejects Jesus will not be saved.When Jesus comes back, Jews will see him and know who he is, Jesus is a Jew, why would he want any of them to become christans?Jesus forfilled the law.

 

[zone]

no, though this is right out in plain view, we refuse to discuss it.
we'll do anything to the scriptures, twist them in any way we can, rewrite them....anything to avoid talking about this:

The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple. All mainstream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees

Pharisees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

because we have followed cleverly devised fables and myths.
and we will under no circumstances consider we have been deceived.
we will shout down and shame and silence anyone who says anything about The Pharisees,
because we believe everything but the truth of JESUS CHRIST.

 

[zone]

Its a deadly entanglement. People who think themselves to be righteous see no need to repent and believe the gospel.

and have we not seen the Judaic/Kabbalistic influence here?
a denial of all men falling in Adam?

men are not condemned sinners?

prayer with good deeds is pleasing to God?
whitewash the Atonement and what it means....
this sort of thing?

God has Two Plans?
one which doesn't have to include JESUS CHRIST - SON OF GOD - EMMANUEL?

ppl harp all day long about Islam.
that enemy i know.

its' the one who is in disguise i need to beware of...but no,.....that can never be.

we scoff at Rick Warren's 'Chrislam'.

yet we just consume the religion of the Pharisees.

 

[tribesman]

and have we not seen the Judaic/Kabbalistic influence here?
a denial of all men falling in Adam?

men are not condemned sinners?

prayer with good deeds is pleasing to God?
whitewash the Atonement and what it means....
this sort of thing?

God has Two Plans?
one which doesn't have to include JESUS CHRIST - SON OF GOD - EMMANUEL?

ppl harp all day long about Islam.
that enemy i know.

its' the one who is in disguise i need to beware of...but no,.....that can never be.

we scoff at Rick Warren's 'Chrislam'.

yet we just consume the religion of the Pharisees.

 

[zone]

ironic you posted that.
my next suggestion was going to be:

take all the "isms" one has been taught to reject - and take another look (i.e: amillennialism).

might get closer to the truth.

2+2=5

funny how some "isms" have another ism attached

cognitive dissonance to follow....

 

[tribesman]

ironic you posted that.
my next suggestion was going to be:

take all the "isms" one has been taught to reject - and take another look (i.e: amillennialism).

might get closer to the truth.

2+2=5

funny how some "isms" have another ism attached

cognitive dissonance to follow....

Yep...but some hate is OK.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yep...but some hate is OK.

It is one thing to hate a perversion of the truth, it is another thing to hate a person.

Not everyone has been taught to hate doctrines.. Some just study them and find them not to be true..

But according to some,, this can;t happen, if you do not agree with me, you must have been taught to hate what I believe.

what is amazing, is it is usually the other way around. People have been taught what the other believes, but they were taught in error. thus the person can never explain their side, because the "taught one" will never listen to them, they assume they already know what they believe. even though they have no idea what the person believes, only the perversion they have been taught about them