the whole argument for the firmament can be shot down by the flood and the canopy of water flooding the earth when the windows of heaven were opened....
I used to believe the 'canopy' idea. However, it is a perspective that someone came up with based on the
assumption that the Earth was a sphere.
And, it does not in any way do away with the Flat Earth perspective.
it is obvious there are three heavens and it is equally obvious that Genesis does not say the BIRDS fly in the same HEAVEN where the sun and moon revolve....
In the context of Genesis 1:
~ There is only one 'firmament' being described.
And, having water
under it and water
above it.
~ God called the 'firmament' Heaven.
So then -- 'Heaven' => 'firmament'.
~ God set [ the sun, moon, and stars ]
in the firmament of the heaven.
So then -- the sun, moon, and stars are
in the 'firmament'.
~ God ordained that birds would "fly above the earth
in the open firmament of heaven"...
So then -- the birds fly
in the 'firmament'. ( same 'firmament' )
I have studied GENESIS with an open mind and have NOT seen that picture......
Apparently not open enough... Keep reading Genesis 1.
prove to me without mouth and attitude that the earth is flat!
I am trying the best I can to steer you in the right direction - "without mouth and attitude" ( I know that you are not referring to me. ) -- and
beginning with the Word of God.
Do posts #136 , #188, #190, #237, and #238 not make any sense to you whatsoever?
if it is true...SOMEONE would have pics of the edge, ice wall the end and then space etc.........I want to again say that IF verifiable proof can be given in some form or fashion then I will believe.....
We
do have pictures of the ice wall.
We
do have a historical record of people closely following the ice wall in a ship for
50K+ miles before making it back to where they started.
We
do not have pictures of "the edge";
it is too far away - no one has yet reached it.
Look up into the sky -- and, you will have seen just about all of 'space' that there is...
And, if you do not believe that statement -- then -- you
prove to me that "outer space" really exists! And, I mean
real proof - not NASA's CGI pictures!
Why can you not understand the sheer significance of the fact that we do not have thousands upon thousands ( we do not even have one ) of - actual - real-time - whole - [ single-instance ] 'snapshot' ( especially, [ chemically-developed ] film-based ) - unedited - pictures of the whole earth??????????
( I have never seen one. )
Why do we not have even a single picture ( not CGI - a real picture ) of a satellite in space??????????
( I have never seen one. )
Why do we not have even a single video segment of an astronaut in space panning a camera 180 degrees or more??????????
( I have never seen one. )
These are the kinds of questions you need to examine.
My friend -- the best way to prove 'Flat Earth' to yourself -- is to
try to prove 'Globe Earth' to yourself! Don't even worrry about trying to prove 'Flat Earth' to yourself. Just
try - being very honest with yourself - to
prove to yourself that
all of the stuff you have been taught all of your life is actually true. ( If you are truly honest with yourself, and do sufficient [ honest and sincere ] research,
you will not be able to do it! ) Pretty soon, you will discover that there are
a whole lot of things that simply do not add up!
Jude quotes Enoch, Peter also references the same occurrence, and Enoch is allude to numerous times in scripture and he references the axis tilt of the earth....
Would you mind narrowing this down? ( references to "the axis tilt of the earth" in Enoch )