Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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EleventhHour said:
I do not ascribe to total inability.

I read convict not convince

8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
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Please define convict. When you do, remember that your definition needs to make sense in the phrase “ convict the world of righteousness and judgement”, as well as Convict of sin.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Where do you see adoption in Romans 8:28-30?
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Romans 8:23, the redemption of the body, being conformed to the image of his Son. The adoption as sons in Ephesians 1:5. All pointing to the future hope of the believer.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Is foreknowledge and predestination mentioned there?
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Lol, the chapter begins about the day of redemption, when the adoption takes place. We groan within ourselves waiting to be clothed with our new bodies, being conformed in the image of Christ. Right now, we bear the image of Adam, but we shall bear the image of Jesus. That's the blessed hope of the believer in Christ. That's our future adoption of sons.
 
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John146 said:
Romans 8:23, the redemption of the body, being conformed to the image of his Son. The adoption as sons in Ephesians 1:5. All pointing to the future hope of the believer.
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Remember, there is a future aspect to salvation, but that does not negate the present aspect of salvation. I affirm that adoption also has the same dual perspective, based on the whole of scripture, not one or two passages.

Have you ever read the Bible cover to cover?
 
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John146 said:
Lol, the chapter begins about the day of redemption, when the adoption takes place. We groan within ourselves waiting to be clothed with our new bodies, being conformed in the image of Christ. Right now, we bear the image of Adam, but we shall bear the image of Jesus. That's the blessed hope of the believer in Christ. That's our future adoption of sons.
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Ok, but does it indicate when foreknowledge and predestination take place?
 
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John146 said:
Romans 8:23, the redemption of the body, being conformed to the image of his Son. The adoption as sons in Ephesians 1:5. All pointing to the future hope of the believer.
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Are you saved? Do you have eternal life right now?
 
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OIC1965 said:
Remember, there is a future aspect to salvation, but that does not negate the present aspect of salvation. I affirm that adoption also has the same dual perspective, based on the whole of scripture, not one or two passages.

Have you ever read the Bible cover to cover?
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A couple dozens of time
 
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OIC1965 said:
Are you saved? Do you have eternal life right now?
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My soul is saved, but I'm waiting on the redemption of my body. My body is still under the condemnation of death. It's what's corrupt. It needs changed. It needs to be conformed to the image of Christ.
 
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John146 said:
Romans 8:23, the redemption of the body, being conformed to the image of his Son. The adoption as sons in Ephesians 1:5. All pointing to the future hope of the believer.
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Adoption in Ephesians 1:5 is connected to predestination, which in turn is connected to election in verse 4, which took place before the foundation of the world.

When did God choose us in Christ? Ephesians 1:4.
 
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John146 said:
My soul is saved, but I'm waiting on the redemption of my body. My body is still under the condemnation of death. It's what's corrupt. It needs changed. It needs to be conformed to the image of Christ.
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So there is both a present and future aspect to salvation, right?
 
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OIC1965 said:
Adoption in Ephesians 1:5 is connected to predestination, which in turn is connected to election in verse 4, which took place before the foundation of the world.

When did God choose us in Christ? Ephesians 1:4.
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God did not choose us in Christ. We were placed in Christ upon believing the gospel, who first trusted in Christ.
 
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OIC1965 said:
So there is both a present and future aspect to salvation, right?
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Absolutely! I never denied that. What I have explained through Scripture is that the adoption is future. It has not taken place yet. It is the future hope of the believer. Yes, we are sons now though the new birth, but our adoption is future. Remember, the adoption, as defined by Scripture, is the redemption of the body.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Good, I as well.

A lot of people try to zoom through the Bible. I think we should read it slowly though, and ruminate on it as described in psalm 1.
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Ruminate? You mean meditate.

So much for updating the KJV.;)
 
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OIC1965 said:
Then why does Ephesians 1:4 say that He chose us in Christ?!!
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It doesn't. The spiritual blessings are according to what has been chosen us in Christ. The spiritual blessings are in Christ.
 
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John146 said:
Absolutely! I never denied that. What I have explained through Scripture is that the adoption is future. It has not taken place yet. It is the future hope of the believer. Yes, we are sons now though the new birth, but our adoption is future. Remember, the adoption, as defined by Scripture, is the redemption of the body.
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If there is a future as well as a past aspect to salvation, how does it follow of necessity that since there is a future aspect of adoption, it hasn’t happened yet?

After all, I’m saved, you’re saved, yet there is also a future aspect.

This fact shows that your conclusion does not follow from the premises. It is your opinion, not what the Bible states.
 
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