Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

[OIC1965]

Absolutely! I never denied that. What I have explained through Scripture is that the adoption is future. It has not taken place yet. It is the future hope of the believer. Yes, we are sons now though the new birth, but our adoption is future. Remember, the adoption, as defined by Scripture, is the redemption of the body.

Eternal life also has a present and a future aspect too.

These things show that your conclusion about adoption does not follow from the premises. It’s your opinion.

 

[OIC1965]

It doesn't. The spiritual blessings are according to what has been chosen us in Christ. The spiritual blessings are in Christ.

Read Ephesians 1:4 slowly and out loud to yourself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ephesians 1:4 says chose US before the foundation of the world. God said it, that settles it.

Unless your on a war path to discredit Calvinism lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So by quoting scripture word for word, I’m defending Arminianism? Thanks for that insight.

Like I said he can’t see past his
Preconceived ideas. He thinks your defending Arminianism now!

 

[John146]

Read Ephesians 1:4 slowly and out loud to yourself.

To understand verse 4, you need verse 3 because of the word according...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do not ascribe to total inability.

I read convict not convince

8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

How can you have faith apart from being convinced? Unless faith is forced on you?

 

[John146]

How can you have faith apart from being convinced? Unless faith is forced on you?

Faith come by hearing the word of God. The word of God does the convincing. Yes?

 

[EleventhHour]

How can you have faith apart from being convinced? Unless faith is forced on you?

Agree.
My point is that being convinced requires something from us as well, believing it ...otherwise the Holy Spirit would be 100% successful in every human being.

 

[EleventhHour]

Faith come by hearing the word of God. The word of God does the convincing. Yes?

I think this is my point... there is power in the message that convicts and is convincing.

 

[throughfaith]

Is foreknowledge and predestination mentioned there?

I dare say your reading into a lot of verses to mean " I was picked before I was born "

Ephesians 1:4 says chose US before the foundation of the world. God said it, that settles it.

Notice you did it again ? Thats what you think everytime you mis quote the verse . Thats why calv/ minans also miss out ' in him ' . nearly everytime they quote Eph 1.4 . All you need the words ' chose ' ' us ' ' before ' and the mind fills in the rest . Not because of what the verses actually say in context, but because of a presupposition .

 

[throughfaith]

Glad you realize that.

Thats your quote mis sent.

 

[throughfaith]

God chose US before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4

Could you give us a step by step understanding of how God' chose' you and how this played out leading to conversion?

 

[throughfaith]

Ephesians 1:4-5. Chosen and predestined BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

God said it. It’s settled.

Thats the paradigm. We get it . But its not what the bible says .

 

[OIC1965]

To understand verse 4, you need verse 3 because of the word according...

Yep. He blesses us with every spiritual blessing in heavenly places in Christ according to (in accordance with the fact) that He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world.

 

[OIC1965]

Thats the paradigm. We get it . But its not what the bible says .

Read Ephesians 1:4 again. Slowly and out loud.

 

[OIC1965]

I dare say your reading into a lot of verses to mean " I was picked before I was born "

Notice you did it again ? Thats what you think everytime you mis quote the verse . Thats why calv/ minans also miss out ' in him ' . nearly everytime they quote Eph 1.4 . All you need the words ' chose ' ' us ' ' before ' and the mind fills in the rest . Not because of what the verses actually say in context, but because of a presupposition .

Type out the whole verse in KJV. It will say the exact same wording I am saying.

 

[OIC1965]

Could you give us a step by step understanding of how God' chose' you and how this played out leading to conversion?

Romans 8:29-30, Bubba.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Agree.
My point is that being convinced requires something from us as well, believing it ...otherwise the Holy Spirit would be 100% successful in every human being.

I think oic and everyone of us agrees with that, yet it is the HS who does all the work (it’s the work of God)

which is why I am wondering why you keep harping on him

 

[OIC1965]

Faith come by hearing the word of God. The word of God does the convincing. Yes?

Who inspired the Word of God?

 

[OIC1965]

Agree.
My point is that being convinced requires something from us as well, believing it ...otherwise the Holy Spirit would be 100% successful in every human being.

Not what we’re saying. Plus being convinced comes before believing. God’s work is always first. We respond to grace, NOT He responds to our faith.

Faith is a response to His Call. His Call is not a response to our faith.

Have you defined convince yet?