While the theories are that old doesn't make a difference. They are not stagnant theories but have been worked on for centuries by theologians. Any impact on them by more recent events have been taken into consideration and some if not all looked forward to Israel being reborn since a new temple is required.
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You ignore that the Jews are the chosen people who God said he would defend. A verse in the Bible has God saying show me the bill of divorce. Any nation acting against them faces God as their defender. Look at the result of the Muslims continued attacks on them trying to kill all Jews. Surrounded with poor arms they defeated a much bigger army much better equipped. There were instances where the Muslims were afraid to attack because of their perception of a very much larger and better equipped force opposing them than existed. The Jewish defenders wondered why they weren't attacked. They had done nothing to create that impression.
1. According to John 14:1-3, the Rapture is a "stand-alone" event with no relation to any tribulation period. Indeed the passage begins with "Let not your heart be troubled".
2. The coming of Christ for His saints is always presented as being IMMINENT. Hence the many warnings to Christians to always be ready since the Rapture will be (1) unannounced, (2) unexpected, and (3) sudden.
3. Therefore the only logical and biblical conclusion is that the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints will be before the Tribulation. Christians longing to go through the Tribulation should pray and ask the Lord to leave them behind (won't happen),
2. The coming of Christ for His saints is always presented as being IMMINENT. Hence the many warnings to Christians to always be ready since the Rapture will be (1) unannounced, (2) unexpected, and (3) sudden.
3. Therefore the only logical and biblical conclusion is that the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints will be before the Tribulation. Christians longing to go through the Tribulation should pray and ask the Lord to leave them behind (won't happen),
These guys are amazing, aren't they? John 14:1-3 has everything to do with the gathering of the church. In fact, Jesus' going back to the Father's house to prepare places for us and his promise to come back and get us is exactly what he is talking about, with 1 Thes.4:13-17 being a detailed account of our being gathered.
Sometimes it seems like they purposely avoid the plain meaning of scripture.
Sometimes it seems like they purposely avoid the plain meaning of scripture.
They did not have the access to the knowledge and info that we do today.
And now, we see things from a different point of view, in hindsight.
If they are always changing, then that means that the original was wrong, and that they will continue to be proven wrong, because they must change to meet changing criteria.
The only time they can be right is when the theory stops changing.
Sure, the earth is flat too. That was worked on for centuries by theologians.
How can they take recent events into consideration, if they formed the theories centuries ago?
Preterists don't.
Look at Jerusalem, Israel is reborn.
What does that mean to you?
No new temple is required.
The AoD happened in the first century, and the temple if rebuilt, is not required for the rapt/resur coming of Jesus for the kingdom.
And now, we see things from a different point of view, in hindsight.
If they are always changing, then that means that the original was wrong, and that they will continue to be proven wrong, because they must change to meet changing criteria.
The only time they can be right is when the theory stops changing.
Sure, the earth is flat too. That was worked on for centuries by theologians.
How can they take recent events into consideration, if they formed the theories centuries ago?
Preterists don't.
Look at Jerusalem, Israel is reborn.
What does that mean to you?
No new temple is required.
The AoD happened in the first century, and the temple if rebuilt, is not required for the rapt/resur coming of Jesus for the kingdom.
Brother Ahwatukee,
It's not a question of if it happens, but when it happens.
The kingdom is delivered up to the Father after death is destroyed 1 Cor 15:23-28.
You have it being delivered up at the first resurrection. You are saying that the kingdom, is delivered up at the first resurrection, not after death is destroyed.
It's not a question of if it happens, but when it happens.
The kingdom is delivered up to the Father after death is destroyed 1 Cor 15:23-28.
You have it being delivered up at the first resurrection. You are saying that the kingdom, is delivered up at the first resurrection, not after death is destroyed.
The Temple is going to be rebuilt when the 7 year peace agreement is signed.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
You, however do error in this thinking. The covenant between God and Israel is still in effect to this very day, for a remnant shall be Saved. Even though Israel broke their covenant with God, God is going to stay True to His covenant with them, and an remnant of them will remain and be SAVED.
This analogy does not in any way say the tree was destroyed now does it. There was a covenant between God and Israel. Israel Failed that covenant. But God continues to keep His covenant with them and a remnant shall be Saved. When Israel failed that Covenant. God did not get rid of the covenant that He made with Israel, but engrafted the Gentiles into that covenant. And many of the natural branches were broken off, but it does not say ALL of them now does it? Please note and understand i am not referring to the old covenant that God and Israel had concerning the 10 commandments.
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You do error. The Spirit of anti-christ has existed longer. But there will be a man which does not believe in God nor satan, and he will have his own agenda, this man will be granted gifts from satan, which God gave him permission to have, so that prophesies are fulfilled. But this man will be atheist, and this man will cause many to fall away from their Faiths. Not just the Christian Faith, but all Faiths of the world will fall away because of this man. It will appear that this man singlehandedly fixes the whole world, and the entire world rejoices because of him. Jesus did not come when most Christians believed He should have.
He is the leader alright, but it is not Rome and Caesar. He will cause the whole world to come together under one banner. countries that will not mix will join together under this banner, but will still not mix with each other. Countries like North Korea and South Korea under that same banner, but will not mix with each other one iron and one clay, working together for a short time before Christ comes and destroys all kingdoms on the Earth, and they all become His at the 7th Trumpet sounding.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
lol, because only one is right.
If one is right, what point would there be to even mention or consider the others. Your 73 and don't know that?
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
How can i do that when i do not know what any of them teach.
Are you not asking questions that is not possible that i can answer, and then say that i am ignoring you because i don't answer. lol.
How can i pick which one is correct when i do not know what any of them say and teach?
An attitude which you think i have, and is 100% in your own mind.
Here are some words related to pizza
Pizza pie
Meats:
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[TR]
[TD]Bacon
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[TD]BBQ Chicken
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[TR]
[TD]Beef
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cajun Chicken
[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Chicken Masala
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chicken Tikka
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chorizo
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Duck
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ham
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Honey Cured Ham
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Meatballs
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[TR]
[TD]Pepperoni
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Proscuitto
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Salami
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sausage
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Serrano Ham
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Turkey
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Venison
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Cheese:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Blue Cheese
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brie
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Camembert
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chedar
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Colby
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Feta
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Goat Cheese
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gorgonzola
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Limburger
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Manchego
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Monterey Jack
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Parmesan
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mozzarella
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Muenster
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Port de Salut
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Provolone
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ricota
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Romano
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Roquefort
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Smoked Gouda
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Sea Food:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Anchovies
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cajun Prawn
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Crayfish
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lobster
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oysters
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Prawns
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Salmon
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Shrimps
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Smoked Salmon
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Squid
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tuna
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Whitebait
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Herbs and Spices:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Basil
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bay Leaf
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cardamon
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chili Dried or Fresh
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chives
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cilantro
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Coriander
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cumin
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dill
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Garlic
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jalapeno Peppers
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Laurel
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Marjoram
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Methi Leaves (aka Fenugreek)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oregano
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Parley
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pepper
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rosemary
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Basil
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bay Leaf
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cardamon
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Vegies:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Alfalfa Sprouts
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Artichoke hearts
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Avocado
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Baby leeks
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beetroot
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Black Beans
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Broccoli
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Capers
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Capicolla
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Carrot
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cherry tomatoes
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dried tomatoes
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eggplant
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fungi
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fungi carciofi
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Green peppers
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kalamata olives
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lettuce
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mushrooms
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Onions
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Olives
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Peas
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Porcini mushrooms
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Portobello Mushrooms
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Red beans
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Red onions
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Red peppers
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Roast cauliflower
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Roasted eggplant
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Roasted Garlic
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Roasted peppers
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]scallions
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Shallots
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Snow peas
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Spinach
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sun dried tomatoes
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sweet corn
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Watercress
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Wild mushrooms
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Yellow peppers
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Yellow squash
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Zucchini
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Nuts:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Almonds
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Peanuts
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pistachios
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pecans
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pine Nuts
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Walnuts
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
i can come up with other meaningless lists, just ask for more if you want them. i learnt something, i had no ideal people liked nuts on their pizzas.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
You appear to forget that according to Paul a Jew is someone circumcised in the Heart not in the flesh. Jesus called Nathaniel a TRUE Israelite which infers that there is such a thing as a false one. Try reading the Prophets including Hosea to get a clearer picture.
You could also try reading some modern middle eastern history. For instance during the wars between Israel and the Arab nations Israeli intelligence was used that resulted in most of Egypts tanks and planes being wiped out in pre emptive strikes before they were used. Israel is also supplied with top military equipment by the US. A good example of this is the missile system given them to defeat Saddams scud missiles in the Iraq war
You could also try reading some modern middle eastern history. For instance during the wars between Israel and the Arab nations Israeli intelligence was used that resulted in most of Egypts tanks and planes being wiped out in pre emptive strikes before they were used. Israel is also supplied with top military equipment by the US. A good example of this is the missile system given them to defeat Saddams scud missiles in the Iraq war
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A little "private interpretation" on your part.
That last statement is pure crap. No one is "longing" to go through any tribulation.
There are Christians suffering terrible tribulation (starvation, torture, disease, death) every day.
I guess God does not love them. Maybe they are just not as righteous as you are.
That last statement is pure crap. No one is "longing" to go through any tribulation.
There are Christians suffering terrible tribulation (starvation, torture, disease, death) every day.
I guess God does not love them. Maybe they are just not as righteous as you are.
Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo
Have a great day!
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo
Have a great day!
Matthew 24:24 “For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.”