Eternal Damnation for heroes???
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first of all
any humans idea of what is "just" is false if it does not match up with what God says is just
He is perfect
unlike any of these so called "heros" you listed
as well as
you
or me
or anyone else
secondly
no amount of good deeds can make up for all the evil actions (evil in the sight of a perfect God who has never once done anything that would qualify as "sin") any one of us commit
if a child abusing murderer...
had been caught for all of his wicked actions
do you think any judge would let him off the hook for helping someone cross the road?
also the pope is a heretic who pushes a false gospel that isnt of God
but yes
every single person who ends up in the lake of fire
deserves to be there
and every single person who ends up in heaven
were SAVED and are only there because of Gods loving mercy
any humans idea of what is "just" is false if it does not match up with what God says is just
He is perfect
unlike any of these so called "heros" you listed
as well as
you
or me
or anyone else
secondly
no amount of good deeds can make up for all the evil actions (evil in the sight of a perfect God who has never once done anything that would qualify as "sin") any one of us commit
if a child abusing murderer...
had been caught for all of his wicked actions
do you think any judge would let him off the hook for helping someone cross the road?
also the pope is a heretic who pushes a false gospel that isnt of God
but yes
every single person who ends up in the lake of fire
deserves to be there
and every single person who ends up in heaven
were SAVED and are only there because of Gods loving mercy
Its not fair. We should be able to bring it to a vote. Then it would be fair.
The only problem with that is our minds are blinded until we come to Christ.
We are all blind and deaf until the Lord Jesus Christ opens our ears and our eyes. That is when we find that we truly can do nothing (to gain heaven) without Him.
The blind and deaf do not know this. They don't believe. And the more prideful they are the worse it is for them.
1 Corinthians 1:26-31
The only problem with that is our minds are blinded until we come to Christ.
We are all blind and deaf until the Lord Jesus Christ opens our ears and our eyes. That is when we find that we truly can do nothing (to gain heaven) without Him.
The blind and deaf do not know this. They don't believe. And the more prideful they are the worse it is for them.
1 Corinthians 1:26-31
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]That no flesh should glory in his presence.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]That no flesh should glory in his presence.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
Who is a hero is a matter of personal opinion. I am sure that God takes into account all of these heroic acts but you can only go to the Father through the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for your sins and the repentance of a sinful lifestyle, and inviting the Holy Spirit to live in your heart to guide you on your spiritual journey. God is love but He is also a God of justice and there is a penalty for sin that must be paid, either by Jesus or the individual who committed sin.
I totally agree with what you are saying. I don't want God to treat me fairly but rather desire that He shows compassion and mercy towards me despite any sin that I may have committed. We all deserve to go to the lake of fire but having confessed our sin and accepted Jesus as our Lord and savior we will be spared that fate because Jesus paid the penalty for our sins.
People go to hell not simply because of their multitudes of sin, but because they refused to accept God's sacrificial Lamb, Jesus Christ, His Only Son.
Refusing God's best for their salvation deserves eternal torment.
So does false doctrine that implies universal salvation.
Universal salvation is a false doctrine that is evidence of rebellion.
Once in hell there's no "time served" get out of jail card. Those in hell will experience the Lake of Fire.
Refusing God's best for their salvation deserves eternal torment.
So does false doctrine that implies universal salvation.
Universal salvation is a false doctrine that is evidence of rebellion.
Once in hell there's no "time served" get out of jail card. Those in hell will experience the Lake of Fire.
Isn't it only two persons that land up in the lake of fire? Or is 'every single person' a reference to the one physical man being both body and spirit?
Rev 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Interesting part is the beast (man of flesh) and the false prophet (spirit without truth) who deceived them into worship of the LORD in the image the physical creature, or beast (man). Especially since it was written not make the Spirit of truth into any image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:12-13
So by heaven are you referring unto the heaven of Genesis 1:1 or the heaven of Genesis 1:8?
Rev 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Interesting part is the beast (man of flesh) and the false prophet (spirit without truth) who deceived them into worship of the LORD in the image the physical creature, or beast (man). Especially since it was written not make the Spirit of truth into any image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:12-13
So by heaven are you referring unto the heaven of Genesis 1:1 or the heaven of Genesis 1:8?
There is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not.
There are none righteous, no not one.
You're not God and you're standard of right wrong, fair and or unfair does not meet God's standard...His ways and thoughts are so far above our ways and thoughts.
a. The invisible things testify
b. Creation testifies day and night and in ALL understandable languages
c. Faith is given (the ability to believe)
d. God began making the possible before he cast down thew world
e. The world is without excuse
f. God sent his Son to die for humanity
g. Salvation is open to all
h. God would have all men believe and come to the truth
i. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked
God is fair and just....the above list you gave does not qualify and or meet God's standard....no man or woman is worthy......
There are none righteous, no not one.
You're not God and you're standard of right wrong, fair and or unfair does not meet God's standard...His ways and thoughts are so far above our ways and thoughts.
a. The invisible things testify
b. Creation testifies day and night and in ALL understandable languages
c. Faith is given (the ability to believe)
d. God began making the possible before he cast down thew world
e. The world is without excuse
f. God sent his Son to die for humanity
g. Salvation is open to all
h. God would have all men believe and come to the truth
i. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked
God is fair and just....the above list you gave does not qualify and or meet God's standard....no man or woman is worthy......
The struggle is over a loved one who we are not sure has come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Will He give them a second chance if they did really good things down here?
Will He give them a second chance if they did really bad things down here?
I guess the answer is we don't know.
If the Lord does give people a second chance will we be indignant about it like the laborers in the field who received the same "pay" for their labors as the ones who only worked for a short time?
Will He give them a second chance if they did really good things down here?
Will He give them a second chance if they did really bad things down here?
I guess the answer is we don't know.
If the Lord does give people a second chance will we be indignant about it like the laborers in the field who received the same "pay" for their labors as the ones who only worked for a short time?
Your assumptions are valid to a point. What will not happen is a second chance. That said, we have to ask ourselves if and when someone has their first chance. When did they get their first chance? Can we see into their hearts?
You see many arguing on these forums and they are certain the unbelieving are going to burn forever. We have no right to tell another human the outcome of their fate. Only God does. The devil got into religion 2000 years ago, and he still has many deceived as to God's real plan of salvation.
You see many arguing on these forums and they are certain the unbelieving are going to burn forever. We have no right to tell another human the outcome of their fate. Only God does. The devil got into religion 2000 years ago, and he still has many deceived as to God's real plan of salvation.
What you are proposing is not unreasonable, I too have wondered about the fairness and unfairness of this. Although I have never really found it to be said in scripture the common belief is that even if you are a good person even an amazing person if you are not Christian you go to hell. I have never really found that to be fair and wonder if all they did counts as nothing to God but I also have take into consideration that I am thinking with human logic not his, after all our thoughts are not his thoughts and our ways not his ways. Our idea and sense of justice and right from wrong differ from his. This is one of those things that I cannot grasp yet and do not yet understand and so what I do when I come across something like this is to keep moving forwards with my hearts eyes set on God believing that in doing so and in time he will give me the understanding I lack in it for he reveals all to those who would chase after his heart. I do not claim to have the answer to your questions but I do know the way to find them
The first two people to be cast into the eternal lake of fire will be cast into it 1000 years before the final judgement when the rest of those destined to be cast into the eternal lake of fire will be cast into it..
Read all the verses between your Revelation 19: 20 reference to your Revelation 20 : 13 verse and the sequence of events will be plainly revealed to you..
Read all the verses between your Revelation 19: 20 reference to your Revelation 20 : 13 verse and the sequence of events will be plainly revealed to you..