Eternal life

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When do you get eternal life?

  • Now

    Votes: 9 56.3%
  • In the future

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • Now and again in the future

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    16

Pilgrimshope

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That's what we have as people. First impressions of one another.

Some Christians think we are not to judge. That's not true.

I'd hope you'd intend your tolerance and calm advice posts to others besides just me.

Scathing remarks by the likes of Nehemiah ,as example, is uncalled for.
Children can be forgiven.

Others though that insists on false doctrine that undermines as they intend the gospel are to be corrected. If repeatedly committing to the same behavior,rebuked. If continuing after that, recognized as one who is not bearing the truth,but is in service to the adversary.

Even Satan appears as an angel of light.And can quote scripture.

That behaviors such as opposition to the gospel is tolerated,even defended by some, is tragic betrayal of Christ's sacrifice and truth.

I know your heart is in the right place. However, I shall never apologize for standing against a false teacher. Souls are in the care of God. His truth is our responsibility.

There are communities that do not allow such as that, adversaries of the gospel.

And for good reason.
“That's what we have as people. First impressions of one another.”

your supposed to have the holy spirit of Jesus Christ to follow though so this thought should be present in your heart and mind in other words

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-5, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That was preached by the Holy Spirit and sent to all the world and should be written somewhere in a believers heart and mind we need To let go of our own judgements made by “ our impression “ and embrace Jesus judgements of people and follow the spirit instead of relying on the flesh and our own instincts
 

JohnRH

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This thread is about eternal life. Is it now, in the age to come, or both?

I have taken the time to search out the when eternal life is received and from all I can see it comes later. If you are aware of anything that says it is now, in the present, please feel free to show them.

Matthew 19
29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

Matthew 25:31,46
31When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Mark 10
30will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life.

Luke 20
35But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection.

Jude 1
21keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait forthe mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

James 1
12Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.

John 6
54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

Romans 2
7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15
52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

1 Timothy 4
8For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

1 John 2
24As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is what he promised us—eternal life.
Both.

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:15-16 (KJV)

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36 (KJV)

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 (KJV)

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:40 (KJV)

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47 (KJV)

Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:54 (KJV)

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. Col 3:3 (KJV)

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 1 John 5:11 (KJV)

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 1 John 5:12 (KJV)

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:13 (KJV)
 

SonLight_Wolf

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“That's what we have as people. First impressions of one another.”

your supposed to have the holy spirit of Jesus Christ to follow though so this thought should be present in your heart and mind in other words

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-5, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That was preached by the Holy Spirit and sent to all the world and should be written somewhere in a believers heart and mind we need To let go of our own judgements made by “ our impression “ and embrace Jesus judgements of people and follow the spirit instead of relying on the flesh and our own instincts
God/Jesus predestined whom he would save before the world came into being as his creation.
People are by God's will born with the natural mind that does not understand the things of the spirit unless holy spirit intercedes.

Jesus judged the Pharisee's to be of their father the devil for the impression they afforded judging him, God incarnate, a blasphemer.

Revelation tells us when it is time all will be judged by Omniscient God. The saints and the sinners.
One goes to heaven the other hell.


Show a passage where in Jesus said false teaching concerning his gospel is to be allowed to stand and deceive.
 

SonLight_Wolf

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“That's what we have as people. First impressions of one another.”

your supposed to have the holy spirit of Jesus Christ to follow though so this thought should be present in your heart and mind in other words

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-5, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That was preached by the Holy Spirit and sent to all the world and should be written somewhere in a believers heart and mind we need To let go of our own judgements made by “ our impression “ and embrace Jesus judgements of people and follow the spirit instead of relying on the flesh and our own instincts
Sound like Jesus?Per your posts? This first impression judgement?

Here's another clueless Newbie trying to show that he understands the meaning of certain Scriptures.

So no, I am not a JW but you are rather presumptuous and clueless since you do not understand the meaning of the resurrection. If you do not believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is fully God and also fully sinless Man who has ascended to Heaven in His resurrected body (with the marks of His crucifixion) then you are in deep trouble. And all the saints will also have their resurrected bodies in Heaven. I don't believe you bothered to study 1 Corinthians 15 as I had suggested.
 

SonLight_Wolf

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honestly my opinion would be the person accusing and judging and calling another Christian an enemy because of thier own flawed judgement is probably what an enemy of the gospel would do

and yes there are a lot of cults out there or “ communities “ notice those places never end up well though following some isolationist claiming by be a prophet and leader teaching us to cut people off who doesnt agree with thier specialized understanding of every aspect of the Bible

The gospel says

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭

If I met a person that claims the believe in Jesus and then judge in my heart “ this person said something I don’t agree with therefore they are an enemy of the gospel “

Im overstepping my place as a Christian believer because I’m not an Old Testament prophet or an apostle and have absolutely no place saying any such thing of someone that calls on Christs name as lord believers belong to Christ now

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?

for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:4, 9-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you have a discussion with a bunch of people here about anything you are eventually going to come to points you don’t agree upon because your two different people that lived two lives and have heard different parts of the gospel and experienced Christ in two very different ways through life

a discussion forum isn’t a place to when we disagree go to war and label each other enemies it’s a place to “ discuss “ reasonably and state a solid case according to scripture to interact peacefully and maturely with other believers who don’t agree with everything we think that’s what a forum like this is for if we are able to be humble we can learn a lot from others or even just reading through some discussions

if we insist everyone agrees with us or they ere an enemy there’s no way to ever convert anyone or convince anyone of the truth and discussing the Bible would become irrelevant “ you either know what I know and fully agree or you don’t and I hereby cut you off from
My sect in the church


a seminary is for a teacher to spread his ideas and insist everyone must agree but a public forum is about free discussion we can make it a war and accusations and division and strife and ruin it or could just discuss and see who knows what and what makes sense and steer to come closer together it’s gay way in any group of believers they can argue and strive and accuse and judge or they can act like brothers and sisters who care about one another and actually want to just learn a better understanding of the Bible and we can by eliminating strife and embracing peace and discussion



everyone hasn’t read and studied and practiced all the same things everyone isn’t old some are babes in faith others are mature and others are old in the church we have to start here with this principle removing ourselves from any design upon the judgement seat and the acknowledging of our date to appear before it instead like everyone else

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why none of us has any place judging anyone as an enemy simply because we don’t agree instead we need to start in Jesus doctrine and let that be our guide

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬
That includes you.

I don't make excuses for that which calls the gospel false.
 

SonLight_Wolf

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There are far too many false teachers here. And those who are also long lived on this site judging others while railing against judgement of false teachers are not righteous.
Their colluding.
God shall judge that which defends falsity and calls his gospel their own property to warp with lies and conditions behind it.

Work to stay saved. Eternal life doesn't mean immortality of the soul. And on and on.

Judgement comes to those who presume to teach such lied more so than on we who hear them. And the few who have the courage to call that lies are not wrong for it. Lies defenders are.

And God knows their names. Nehemiah, Runningman, Thererosealamb. And others. And the foolish one who dares tally Hells Population clock, WebbersHome. Revelation rebukes that sadism.

What Christian dares do that? Playing God before God lays judgement. Presuming to know how many died in their son on any given day when the gospel is still alive on earth.


My wolf name is tribal and familial heritage.

The pack that feasts here is shamefully obvious. And so too are their defenders who call evil good and good evil.

God sees that too.
Come Lord Jesus? You all better pray that day is far off.

No wonder ''clueless newbies'' don't hang out for long here. They're smart enough to recognize a pack leads this community discussion.

I know now why such as that insists salvation isn't what Jesus said it is.
They have no true clue. Because their natural minds are really transparent when they try to fake putting on the spirit of Christ.

Judgement? Yes! Righteously so and deserved.
So long.
 
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There are far too many false teachers here. And those who are also long lived on this site judging others while railing against judgement of false teachers are not righteous.
Their colluding.
God shall judge that which defends falsity and calls his gospel their own property to warp with lies and conditions behind it.

Work to stay saved. Eternal life doesn't mean immortality of the soul. And on and on.

Judgement comes to those who presume to teach such lied more so than on we who hear them. And the few who have the courage to call that lies are not wrong for it. Lies defenders are.

And God knows their names. Nehemiah, Runningman, Thererosealamb. And others. And the foolish one who dares tally Hells Population clock, WebbersHome. Revelation rebukes that sadism.

What Christian dares do that? Playing God before God lays judgement. Presuming to know how many died in their son on any given day when the gospel is still alive on earth.


My wolf name is tribal and familial heritage.

The pack that feasts here is shamefully obvious. And so too are their defenders who call evil good and good evil.

God sees that too.
Come Lord Jesus? You all better pray that day is far off.

No wonder ''clueless newbies'' don't hang out for long here. They're smart enough to recognize a pack leads this community discussion.

I know now why such as that insists salvation isn't what Jesus said it is.
They have no true clue. Because their natural minds are really transparent when they try to fake putting on the spirit of Christ.

Judgement? Yes! Righteously so and deserved.
So long.
Young Christians are so cute.
 

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No wonder ''clueless newbies'' don't hang out for long here. They're smart enough to recognize a pack leads this community discussion...So long.
Sorry to hear you're leaving - if it was anything I said, I apologize,
and wish you well, wherever you may go. :cry:

I pray that you will be:

Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
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There are far too many false teachers here. And those who are also long lived on this site judging others while railing against judgement of false teachers are not righteous.
That's what you did. You immediately began attacking all of your debate opponents, labeling them liars, heretics, Satanic, among other things.

Their colluding.
God shall judge that which defends falsity and calls his gospel their own property to warp with lies and conditions behind it.
I don't think you're in any position to announce God's judgement. Your prayer that I would not preach the gospel anymore utterly failed. Since then I was able to preach. What kind of so called Christian prays that others won't bring non-Christians to Christ. That happened!

Work to stay saved.
Philippians 2
12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

Judgement comes to those who presume to teach such lied more so than on we who hear them. And the few who have the courage to call that lies are not wrong for it. Lies defenders are.
Matthew 7
1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

And God knows their names. Nehemiah, Runningman, Thererosealamb. And others. And the foolish one who dares tally Hells Population clock, WebbersHome. Revelation rebukes that sadism.
And God knows your name too.

What Christian dares do that? Playing God before God lays judgement.
You're the one judging.

My wolf name is tribal and familial heritage.
What is your fruit?

Matthew 7
15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

God sees that too.
Come Lord Jesus? You all better pray that day is far off.

No wonder ''clueless newbies'' don't hang out for long here. They're smart enough to recognize a pack leads this community discussion.

I know now why such as that insists salvation isn't what Jesus said it is.
They have no true clue. Because their natural minds are really transparent when they try to fake putting on the spirit of Christ.

Judgement? Yes! Righteously so and deserved.
So long.
You could have just graciously left rather than flinging mud everywhere on your way out the door. So long Wolf!
 

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NOW, this is just the beginning, BIBLE Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. we are to know who we are in Christ Jesus, and learn to do what Jesus did thew the power of the holy spirit, and the word, walking in our calling, getting us all ready to rule and rain with him, when he comes back, for he will rule the earth for 1000 years, make sense,