Eternal security is obedience

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Grace777x70 said:
New as in the way Vine's talks about the greek word new..

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not "new" in time, recent, but "new" as to form or quality, of different nature from what is contrasted as old
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words. Unquote


It's probably just in "terms" used....our old spirit ( old man ) was crucified with Christ and when He rose from the dead so did our spirit ( our inner man )...born-again in the spirit.....as you say - we didn't lose our old spirit that went on vacation..lol..( that was funny )

We found out that we are all saying the same thing..;)
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ok...so actually we agree and I suspect it may be the same with psalmist

yes...vacation...I could use one now...but preferably all three parts at the same time :cool:
 
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The only works I say that we must do are to purify ourselves (as John said), and keep ourselves unspotted from the world (as James said).
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God has prepared our works, in Christ. First, before you can become a "workman" or an "ambassador", you must be "begotten" by the gospel of your salvation according to this ministry in the dispensation of the grace of God.

For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

[SUP]39 [/SUP]And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


Our gospel is, Christ died for our sins and was raised for our justification.


We are to walk in newness of life, because that is what we have in Christ, we are dead and our life is hid with Christ in God.


[SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
 
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So, was Paul accused of being antinomian as well because he preached the gospel of the grace of Christ alone...he had to defend the gospel of grace from legalists that accused him of saying that we can sin all we want now because of grace...4 times in Romans he had to do this.

It is the same today that accuse grace believers in promoting lawlessness...it's the nature of the beast...:)


Romans 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), "Let us do evil that good may come"? Their condemnation is just.


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It doesn't just mean lawless, it actually means to insinuate that the one subscribing to a doctrine, that appears antinomian, is practicing lawlessness. Many people throughout history have been accused of Antinomianism, even your favorite cult (Gnostics). :p It is an attempt to say that the doctrine or beliefs of the other lead to licentiousness and not a life of holiness or sanctification.
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Isn't it amazing just to come into the presence of the lord, and enjoy the manifest goodness of the almighty ... sorry was this the wrong thread??? I thought this was about loving Jesus ... my bad ...
 
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LOL...and some place hot...but not too hot...:)




ember said:
ok...so actually we agree and I suspect it may be the same with psalmist

yes...vacation...I could use one now...but preferably all three parts at the same time :cool:
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Isn't it amazing just to come into the presence of the lord, and enjoy the manifest goodness of the almighty ... sorry was this the wrong thread??? I thought this was about loving Jesus ... my bad ...
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VVhat is this!? This doesn't belong in the BDF. This is a war zone, you hippie. :D LOL

(sarcasm)
 
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I was just addressing your comment that both sides, Antinomianism, and Legalism, are on this site. I haven't seen it, and no nerve was struck. I was simply stating that I haven't seen it here, once. Can you give me an example of someone who is Antinomian? Thanks. :) Also, I didn't character assassinate you in any way. Though you saying people here are of antinomian belief could be considered so.
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Again, put yourself back on topic and reread my post #252. There have been those who suggest or even teach that we don't need law, that we are lawless.

I am not going to character assinate by pointing the finger..which is why I actually asked you to read the post that YOU wrote (you fail to grasp this, unless your thread only refers to yourself?). If someone is a legalist or antinomian I will say so in context in the correct thread. Which I have done a few times ;)

Again my post was trying to clarify where a lot posts might actuall be in agreement... your post was a hot rod defensive action out of context.
 
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Isn't it amazing just to come into the presence of the lord, and enjoy the manifest goodness of the almighty ... sorry was this the wrong thread??? I thought this was about loving Jesus ... my bad ...
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Again, put yourself back on topic and reread my post #252. There have been those who suggest or even teach that we don't need law, that we are lawless.

I am not going to character assinate by pointing the finger..which is why I actually asked you to read the post that YOU wrote (you fail to grasp this, unless your thread only refers to yourself?). If someone is a legalist or antinomian I will say so in context in the correct thread. Which I have done a few times ;)

Again my post was trying to clarify where a lot posts might actuall be in agreement... your post was a hot rod defensive action out of context.
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Passive aggressive comments, how kind. :) VVhat do you suppose is to be inferred or implied when one accuses another of lawlessness? Is this not a question of conduct, inevitably? Anyways, you can go back on topic. I think Chancer is right, wheres the love? VVhere is the focus on Christ? All this bickering, to what end?
 
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My dearest brothers and sisters. Lets all take a deep study into what the word "Gospel" really means.. There is so much fleshly opinion on here... The things of the spirit are foolish to the flesh.. xx
 
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He only says that if you are obedient to Him which you are you are eternally secure. Your obedience proves that you're eternally secure. If someone is not obedient and wants to live in sin they can loose their salvation. To those like you Paul says: go on the way you do. To the other group: don't be deceived and repent.
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Just out of curiosity can you explain to me what being obedient is from your own perspective what you understand the scriptures to say about it? What is obedience what does it mean to be obedient what is required to truly be obedient?
 
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Grace777x70 said:
How about a nice island out in the ocean?...like e Sable Island?
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would have to go in under the radar and no hotel...although the wild horses would make it worth it

tahiti?
 
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Blain said:
Just out of curiosity can you explain to me what being obedient is from your own perspective what you understand the scriptures to say about it? What is obedience what does it mean to be obedient what is required to truly be obedient?
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That you abide in Him. When He urges you to pray you do it out of His Love that draws you. That you don't get drunk and all those other sins. That you lay off bad words. Just everything Paul writes in His letters and I don't say that in one instance you have to be perfect, He looks at the heart. If there is a sin and He convinces you you seek help and prayer to get rid of it. Such things, sanctification.
 
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Take your pick..,,,,,,,,,beautiful Sable island now..




or..........this miserable place..




ember said:
would have to go in under the radar and no hotel...although the wild horses would make it worth it

tahiti?
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wait a minute...wait a minute...isn't that Peggy's Cove? Sable Island hah!
 
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They don't put two sets of controls in cars for a reason. It still doesn't stop us from taking the wheel and getting into a wreck....even when Jesus is driving.
 
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BenFTW said:
Passive aggressive comments, how kind. :) VVhat do you suppose is to be inferred or implied when one accuses another of lawlessness? Is this not a question of conduct, inevitably? Anyways, you can go back on topic. I think Chancer is right, wheres the love? VVhere is the focus on Christ? All this bickering, to what end?
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I did not call anyone out, but there has been antinomianism taught.. I would say in regards to the third use of the law. If I were to call someone out as you asked then I would be doing something wrong. As you know?

BTW I am not bickering here but answering your question which was out of topic. Here is what I said and there is nothing offensive..again read what I actully said. I am sorry Ben that you seem to have taken what I said about extreme views personally, why I don't know. But it doesnt matter. I mean that!

After wading through so far 13 pages.. it is simple to see that some do not know the difference between 'Justification' and 'sanctification'. If people defined their argument more clearly when they speak of salvation then half what is being argued here would be mute. And some would see that they actually agree.

Of course there will always be the extremes which we also see here..the Anitinomians and the Legalists.
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