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(That you abide in him) I was hoping that you would give me the kind of answer i seek and you did
To be obedient to him to abide in him one cannot do it with works and cannot do it for the wrong reasons or motives. To abide in him is to rest in him to embrace and soak in his love, Jesus said if you love me you will obey my commandments but people misunderstand what he saying. He wasn't saying that you need to obey him because you love him this would give the implication that if we are lacking in obedience we don't truly love him.
No he was saying that because of the deep love we have for him and with him we naturally obey because love fulfills every commandment given by God Love is what gives us the eys to see the heart to understand and to love as only he does Love is mark of a true believer Love is what reveals the beauties and the deep and hidden secrets of his heart. when one's heart is filled with love he knows that the light of God reveals every darkness within him normally exposing all of this brings one to shame and to hide it and so they run away from God not wanting to have their sin and darkness revealed by his light.
But for a believer of Love they welcome his light to expose their darkness their sin their weakness and do not feel judged or condemned they are intrigued by this light noticing there is something strange something different about it and so they actively seek this light out they want to know this light to understand it to see experience and the beauty it radiates they want to become closer to it they want to become one with it.
True obedience true understand of who God is what he is who we are to and in him can only be achieved with a deep love
To be obedient to him to abide in him one cannot do it with works and cannot do it for the wrong reasons or motives. To abide in him is to rest in him to embrace and soak in his love, Jesus said if you love me you will obey my commandments but people misunderstand what he saying. He wasn't saying that you need to obey him because you love him this would give the implication that if we are lacking in obedience we don't truly love him.No he was saying that because of the deep love we have for him and with him we naturally obey because love fulfills every commandment given by God Love is what gives us the eys to see the heart to understand and to love as only he does Love is mark of a true believer Love is what reveals the beauties and the deep and hidden secrets of his heart. when one's heart is filled with love he knows that the light of God reveals every darkness within him normally exposing all of this brings one to shame and to hide it and so they run away from God not wanting to have their sin and darkness revealed by his light.
But for a believer of Love they welcome his light to expose their darkness their sin their weakness and do not feel judged or condemned they are intrigued by this light noticing there is something strange something different about it and so they actively seek this light out they want to know this light to understand it to see experience and the beauty it radiates they want to become closer to it they want to become one with it.
True obedience true understand of who God is what he is who we are to and in him can only be achieved with a deep love
(That you abide in him) I was hoping that you would give me the kind of answer i seek and you did To be obedient to him to abide in him one cannot do it with works and cannot do it for the wrong reasons or motives. To abide in him is to rest in him to embrace and soak in his love, Jesus said if you love me you will obey my commandments but people misunderstand what he saying. He wasn't saying that you need to obey him because you love him this would give the implication that if we are lacking in obedience we don't truly love him.
No he was saying that because of the deep love we have for him and with him we naturally obey because love fulfills every commandment given by God Love is what gives us the eys to see the heart to understand and to love as only he does Love is mark of a true believer Love is what reveals the beauties and the deep and hidden secrets of his heart. when one's heart is filled with love he knows that the light of God reveals every darkness within him normally exposing all of this brings one to shame and to hide it and so they run away from God not wanting to have their sin and darkness revealed by his light.
But for a believer of Love they welcome his light to expose their darkness their sin their weakness and do not feel judged or condemned they are intrigued by this light noticing there is something strange something different about it and so they actively seek this light out they want to know this light to understand it to see experience and the beauty it radiates they want to become closer to it they want to become one with it.
True obedience true understand of who God is what he is who we are to and in him can only be achieved with a deep love
To be obedient to him to abide in him one cannot do it with works and cannot do it for the wrong reasons or motives. To abide in him is to rest in him to embrace and soak in his love, Jesus said if you love me you will obey my commandments but people misunderstand what he saying. He wasn't saying that you need to obey him because you love him this would give the implication that if we are lacking in obedience we don't truly love him.No he was saying that because of the deep love we have for him and with him we naturally obey because love fulfills every commandment given by God Love is what gives us the eys to see the heart to understand and to love as only he does Love is mark of a true believer Love is what reveals the beauties and the deep and hidden secrets of his heart. when one's heart is filled with love he knows that the light of God reveals every darkness within him normally exposing all of this brings one to shame and to hide it and so they run away from God not wanting to have their sin and darkness revealed by his light.
But for a believer of Love they welcome his light to expose their darkness their sin their weakness and do not feel judged or condemned they are intrigued by this light noticing there is something strange something different about it and so they actively seek this light out they want to know this light to understand it to see experience and the beauty it radiates they want to become closer to it they want to become one with it.
True obedience true understand of who God is what he is who we are to and in him can only be achieved with a deep love
Yeah people can agree on a lot but it is the foundation that matters. If we don't have Christ as our foundation, then all that is built upon it crumbles. This is why a revelation of God's grace is so important, especially in regards to understanding what exactly Jesus accomplished at the cross. Justification and sanctification all too often are meshed as one because of individuals not understanding the foundation that is Jesus Christ.
Its good, your call to unity.
Its good, your call to unity.
A
Hi Blain! /
It’s been drilled into our consciousness from childhood to perform up to standard, and we do that as well in Christian life. We never stop trying to obey. Nevertheless, God puts within us a quicker recognition of those vain attempts. How wonderful when we realize and become convinced that all else is futile except for Jesus Christ.. who is IN us.
We can either beat ourselves up over doubt, weakness & failures…
Or we can thank God through Jesus Christ that He keeps giving us insight and opens our eyes to see the difference between “trying” and “His doing.”
This imperfect world presents the perfect scenario that we may see the reality of Jesus. Worldly logic always contradicts Truth and may tempt our thought processes. But our Father gives us His understanding by means of contrast. We can see what IS the more we recognize what ISN’T.
Paul was explaining that when he wrote:
But you did not learn Christ in this way, Ephesians 4:20
He was bringing out the contrast of the new life in Christ compared to the old life we learned in the world.
Many have been brainwashed that they must do things for God, but that is a lie. We dedicate and re-dedicate ourselves, promising we will do more for God. We will do a Bible study, read a book authored by a Christian, “apply” ourselves, “recommit” ourselves, in order to bring us to the point where we can be of some productive use for God.
We’ve been made to feel guilty by leaders and teachers for not loving Jesus enough to do what it takes to really give up our lives and make God happy. We’re convinced that they are right and we ignore the miraculous truth of what happened to us in Christ!
It is REALITY that through Jesus -
Sin no longer has a valid claim on us.
We are made the righteousness of God.
We have received the Spirit of God.
We are in union with the Father.
We have the mind of Christ.
We are sons of God.
We have a new heart that loves God.
YOU are loved by your Father and YOU are pleasing to Him. That’s what has been placed within you spiritually. Miraculously. Before you were given life in Jesus, your righteousness was filthy rags, and nothing you did could please God.
In Christ, your sins are taken away. The logic of the religious mindset wants to convince you to offer up those old filthy rags to God. But God doesn't want the thing or the works of the thing that you were. He has made you NEW and your new life is CHRIST IN YOU. He is very pleased with that. Don't let the self-righteous religious mind convince you otherwise.
So, how do we obey? By BELIEVING that God is at work within you and it is HE making you more and more into the image of Jesus Christ. Keep your eyes on the Savior, not on yourself. And He keeps His eyes on you. You're in union with Him.
/It’s been drilled into our consciousness from childhood to perform up to standard, and we do that as well in Christian life. We never stop trying to obey. Nevertheless, God puts within us a quicker recognition of those vain attempts. How wonderful when we realize and become convinced that all else is futile except for Jesus Christ.. who is IN us.
We can either beat ourselves up over doubt, weakness & failures…
Or we can thank God through Jesus Christ that He keeps giving us insight and opens our eyes to see the difference between “trying” and “His doing.”
This imperfect world presents the perfect scenario that we may see the reality of Jesus. Worldly logic always contradicts Truth and may tempt our thought processes. But our Father gives us His understanding by means of contrast. We can see what IS the more we recognize what ISN’T.
Paul was explaining that when he wrote:
But you did not learn Christ in this way, Ephesians 4:20
He was bringing out the contrast of the new life in Christ compared to the old life we learned in the world.
Many have been brainwashed that they must do things for God, but that is a lie. We dedicate and re-dedicate ourselves, promising we will do more for God. We will do a Bible study, read a book authored by a Christian, “apply” ourselves, “recommit” ourselves, in order to bring us to the point where we can be of some productive use for God.
We’ve been made to feel guilty by leaders and teachers for not loving Jesus enough to do what it takes to really give up our lives and make God happy. We’re convinced that they are right and we ignore the miraculous truth of what happened to us in Christ!
It is REALITY that through Jesus -
Sin no longer has a valid claim on us.
We are made the righteousness of God.
We have received the Spirit of God.
We are in union with the Father.
We have the mind of Christ.
We are sons of God.
We have a new heart that loves God.
YOU are loved by your Father and YOU are pleasing to Him. That’s what has been placed within you spiritually. Miraculously. Before you were given life in Jesus, your righteousness was filthy rags, and nothing you did could please God.
In Christ, your sins are taken away. The logic of the religious mindset wants to convince you to offer up those old filthy rags to God. But God doesn't want the thing or the works of the thing that you were. He has made you NEW and your new life is CHRIST IN YOU. He is very pleased with that. Don't let the self-righteous religious mind convince you otherwise.
So, how do we obey? By BELIEVING that God is at work within you and it is HE making you more and more into the image of Jesus Christ. Keep your eyes on the Savior, not on yourself. And He keeps His eyes on you.
You're in union with Him. 
E
Non of this prove anything.
You said you could live in sin, the apostle John said a child of God can not.
So you do the math.
Do I trust you. Or the apostle john?
I do not know who this other john is, but he has no bearing on this conversation. can we stick with the fact and not what other people believe, unless the wrote the bible.
well according to you no one will get to heaven.
Are you perfect? if your answer is no, then you need to add yourself to that list of sinners.
and then realise. Nothing but the grace of God can save you.. Your just as guilty as all those sinners.
E
You keep sticking up for a legalist. He praises the power of God but denies it.
He preaches salvation by works. By being obedient.
If you agree with him, then you are in serious trouble also.
And no, he does not understand it, and how you can keep sticking up for him baffles me to no end.
And I know I am not the only one who thinks this.
He preaches salvation by works. By being obedient.
If you agree with him, then you are in serious trouble also.
And no, he does not understand it, and how you can keep sticking up for him baffles me to no end.
And I know I am not the only one who thinks this.