Evolution fact or fiction?

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do you believe we evolved from monkeys?


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Magenta

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Jul 3, 2015
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#61
I once believed in evolution but now I have my doubts. Gorillas of ancient times are still Gorillas today. They have not changed. Nor has plant life or the birds that fly in the sky.

What I believed happened is that we were visited by universe travelers who seed planets that can support life. Just as we will do in the far off future. Even in our life time when our astronauts visit Mars we will leave some DNA behind.

Comments welcome
Shades of scientology and von Däniken.

 

Born_Again

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#62
Folks, those far off travelers will visit us again to see how things are progressing but they will not acknowledge themselves until we humans become civil. When we stop killing ourselves and eating the flesh they will show themselves. That is if we do not kill ourselves off first.

This is just my opinion
I think you have had a few too many of those probes...... Just my opinion.

Who could forget these guys..... LOL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group)
 
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Kisses1990

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#63
I voted yes even though this is technically not accurate. All modern day species are just as "evolved" as anything else. They are our cousins. Their (and our) ancestors gave rise to us. God didn't create special species. Though He may very well have started the process of endosymbiosis off.
 
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Tintin

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#64
I voted yes even though this is technically not accurate. All modern day species are just as "evolved" as anything else. They are our cousins. Their (and our) ancestors gave rise to us. God didn't create special species. Though He may very well have started the process of endosymbiosis off.
Evolutionary philosophy has no place in the life of a Christian. It was birthed from Hinduism in 1200BC and then further developed in 600BC by ancient Greek philosophers. Don't let me stop you from thinking critically.
 
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Kisses1990

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#65
Many do. Evolution teaches that man and ape share a common ancestor and that from this common ancestor man and monkey branched off. I voted no because I don't believe the evidence points to millions of years of unguided random chance evolution of the cosmic phenomena nor plant life, animal and creature and human beings. Everywhere I look in the natural world I observe Supreme Intelligent Purposeful Design, evolution nor science can give me a satisfactory answer as to why there is purposeful design in nature, evolution is not based on purposeful design mechanisms and yet it is observable. But it does depend on the definition of evolution, which can simply mean change, evolution is an invention an ideology a man made word the same as genocide is a man made word.
Well, you would be wrong, sir. Evolution is NOT "unguided random chance". It's the exact opposite of that. Mutations might be random...we don't yet have any reason to think that they aren't random, but natural selection is the same as non-random selection. It is not a tornado through a junk yard building a 747. Why is this myth still propagating?

Evolution is NOT an ideology, though some may have taken it that way. Hitler, for example, is the product of a TOTAL misunderstanding of Darwin, Nietzsche, and the Catholic Church. If he'd had bothered to check with a real biologist, or even read Darwin's On The Origin, he'd know better. Unless he was disingenuous and mendacious looking for excuses.

I'm constantly shocked at the gross misunderstanding of the theory and all of the myths and pseudoscience that is embraced in place of it.
 
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PurerInHeart

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#66
The first man God made the exact same day as animals. He was not a monkey or a caveman. He was intelligent- having conversations with God, tending a garden, and naming animals.
 
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Kisses1990

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#67
Evolutionary philosophy has no place in the life of a Christian. It was birthed from Hinduism in 1200BC and then further developed in 600BC by ancient Greek philosophers. Don't let me stop you from thinking critically.
I've asked you once before to try and send me some information about this claim that evolutionary theory came from Hinduism. I haven't really found anything relevant. Frankly, I don't care who came up with it or if someone thought of it before Darwin. Darwin popularized it, and the world has been better ever since. We now know the truth of our origins. There is no "philosophy" in evolutionary theory, though learning about the theory could have a profound philosophical affect on the person studying it. But there is nothing innately philosophical about it. It's just a fact of life and we learn to deal with it. Natural Selection seems to be a terrible thing. I'm not sure why God used this process, or perhaps he had to? But whatever the case, it is a fact and we should learn a thing or two about it instead of spewing lies about it. Don't let me stop you from thinking critically.
 
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Kisses1990

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#68
The first man God made the exact same day as animals. He was not a monkey or a caveman. He was intelligent- having conversations with God, tending a garden, and naming animals.
I mean, I'm sorry, but this is just 100% false. There were no two first humans...there were no two first anything...

I do believe God talked to humans and possibly other animals too. We just know now for a fact it didn't occur the way you suggest.
 
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alexmurphy

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#69
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I once believed in evolution but now I have my doubts. Gorillas of ancient times are still Gorillas today. They have not changed. Nor has plant life or the birds that fly in the sky.

What I believed happened is that we were visited by universe travelers who seed planets that can support life. Just as we will do in the far off future. Even in our life time when our astronauts visit Mars we will leave some DNA behind.

Comments welcome
Only part of evolution that is true is adaptation, not change of one specie to another.

https://youtu.be/fiJdfCiWo4I
 
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Kisses1990

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#70
Oh boy.... Ray Comfort??! Seriously? The Banana Man? The Crocoduck guy? He doesn't know anything about evolution! lol Don't waste your time with that video.

Also, what do you expect to happen to a species that is forced through many adaptations in a constant changing ecosystem through millions of years? One species to another is well documented. I'm studying the fruit fly Drosophila now and there are many examples. Speciation is a very easy thing to have happen and you don't need much time either. If you're talking Family, Domain, or Kingdom, now you're talking about millions or billions of years. Speciation can happen in the blink of an eye in deep time.
 
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alexmurphy

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#71
I voted yes even though this is technically not accurate. All modern day species are just as "evolved" as anything else. They are our cousins. Their (and our) ancestors gave rise to us. God didn't create special species. Though He may very well have started the process of endosymbiosis off.
People adapt, so do animals but fish becoming a raptile, monkey to man is utterly nonsense. No one has seen or witnessed such phenomena. I could say cellphones evolved by themselves cuz they look the same. Some people look like goat, some to other animals, doesn't mean they evolved from them. Evolution is just an assumption no fact as it can't be scientifically proven.

https://youtu.be/fiJdfCiWo4I
 
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alexmurphy

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#72
Oh boy.... Ray Comfort??! Seriously? The Banana Man? The Crocoduck guy? He doesn't know anything about evolution! lol Don't waste your time with that video.

Also, what do you expect to happen to a species that is forced through many adaptations in a constant changing ecosystem through millions of years? One species to another is well documented. I'm studying the fruit fly Drosophila now and there are many examples. Speciation is a very easy thing to have happen and you don't need much time either. If you're talking Family, Domain, or Kingdom, now you're talking about millions or billions of years. Speciation can happen in the blink of an eye in deep time.
Evolution is any other blind belief. There is no documented evidence of change of one specie to another. You said Ray Comfort doesn't know anything. But it seems those experts know lesser. The reason evolution is a theory and not a fact is because it's just assumption. And it's funny you studying fruit fly Drosophila like you're the biggest expert. Nobody could prove evolution as something we can observe - experiment - verify. Just a fairy tale to justify how different species came about just like children are told how they came in this world through fairies carrying them.
 
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Kisses1990

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#73
There is all kinds of evidence for it. You are spewing nonsense that you are trained to say. Have you actually seen the multifarious evidence? .....No one evolved from a goat...I've never heard anyone make that claim.

It's proven scientifically over and over again. You have a priori and ex nihilo beliefs that you can't change despite the evidence. Stay far away from Ray Comfort and his little buddy Kirk Cameron.

If you're looking for propaganda, go read some Scientology or something. You'd be better off with Bill Craig or John Lennox if anything.
 
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alexmurphy

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#74
There is all kinds of evidence for it. You are spewing nonsense that you are trained to say. Have you actually seen the multifarious evidence? .....No one evolved from a goat...I've never heard anyone make that claim.

It's proven scientifically over and over again. You have a priori and ex nihilo beliefs that you can't change despite the evidence. Stay far away from Ray Comfort and his little buddy Kirk Cameron.

If you're looking for propaganda, go read some Scientology or something. You'd be better off with Bill Craig or John Lennox if anything.
All kinds of evidence. Hahaa. Give me one which I can verify. You are blind to see the truth as your belief is both illogical and unverifiable. I am still waiting to see any gorilla turn to little like human, not whole, but juuuusssst a little ;)
 
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Kisses1990

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#75
You're embarrassing yourself... Why would you expect a gorilla to turn into a human or "human like"? They're gorillas.... And they actually have quite a few features that are very much like us, by the way, but I won't even go into it. You're not being honest in your search for the truth. You wouldn't believe anything I say no matter what it is. Part of your problem is that you don't even understand the theory, how it works, or even the basics. I'm here if you have an honest question though, I can try and help. But it's clear you are oblivious and mendacious, so I'm not interested in discussing further with you.
 
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William86

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#76
All kinds of evidence. Hahaa. Give me one which I can verify. You are blind to see the truth as your belief is both illogical and unverifiable. I am still waiting to see any gorilla turn to little like human, not whole, but juuuusssst a little ;)
Evidence of speciation:

Greenish warblers
 
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alexmurphy

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#77
You're embarrassing yourself... Why would you expect a gorilla to turn into a human or "human like"? They're gorillas.... And they actually have quite a few features that are very much like us, by the way, but I won't even go into it. You're not being honest in your search for the truth. You wouldn't believe anything I say no matter what it is. Part of your problem is that you don't even understand the theory, how it works, or even the basics. I'm here if you have an honest question though, I can try and help. But it's clear you are oblivious and mendacious, so I'm not interested in discussing further with you.
Lol, i question beliefs all the time. If I don't understand even the basics the lets debate facts not beliefs which we both have. Both Christianity and evolution is a belief based to assumption to justify or how humans and other species came about. While both are unverifiable,( which u being dishonest here don't agree evolution being unverifiable) we can debate on facts not try to tell each other " what happened millions of years ago". If you are honest, let's talk about facts, shall we?
 
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Kisses1990

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#78
He's not really looking for speciation, because he doesn't know what that means. If he bothers to click that link, he'll just say that "it's still a bird kind". Moving the goal post is what some of these monkeys love to do. Learn about taxonomy. You could take it all the way back to the origin of eukaryotes if you wanted to.
 
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Kisses1990

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#79
Lol, i question beliefs all the time. If I don't understand even the basics the lets debate facts not beliefs which we both have. Both Christianity and evolution is a belief based to assumption to justify or how humans and other species came about. While both are unverifiable,( which u being dishonest here don't agree evolution being unverifiable) we can debate on facts not try to tell each other " what happened millions of years ago". If you are honest, let's talk about facts, shall we?
Well, it is verifiable and it is not an assumption. You could probably defend that it started out as a vague assumption, which, after ruminating and studying for many years, it eventually became Darwins Hypothesis. But we've moved way past all of that. It's one of the strongest theories now.
 
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alexmurphy

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#80
That's again adaptation. I want evidence of change of a specie to another altogether like your ape to human one or fish to reptile one.

Adaptation is no doubt documented and I believe that but they are just the same specie of the birds/animals when their features change.