Evolution fact or fiction?

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do you believe we evolved from monkeys?

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William86

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Kisses1990 said:
He's not really looking for speciation, because he doesn't know what that means. If he bothers to click that link, he'll just say that "it's still a bird kind". Moving the goal post is what some of these monkeys love to do. Learn about taxonomy. You could take it all the way back to the origin of eukaryotes if you wanted to.
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Well he said "Evolution is any other blind belief. There is no documented evidence of change of one specie to another"

That's at least an example that can be verified though observations of animals in the present.
 
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William86

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alexmurphy said:
That's again adaptation. I want evidence of change of a specie to another altogether like your ape to human one or fish to reptile one.

Adaptation is no doubt documented and I believe that but they are just the same specie of the birds/animals when their features change.
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It's going to be difficult to give you evidence of a change from one species to another if you don't know what species are.
 
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Kisses1990

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#83
#83
Speciation generally involves no longer being able to produce fertile offspring, or any offspring. It doesn't matter how similar they may look. Allopatric speciation is the most common. You don't know the real definition of species. The longer a population has been isolated, the more likely a speciation event. The longer time after the animal has speciated, the more profound changes you will see.

Please begin goal post moving. Do you wish to know about "families" now?
 
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alexmurphy

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#84
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Kisses1990 said:
Well, it is verifiable and it is not an assumption. You could probably defend that it started out as a vague assumption, which, after ruminating and studying for many years, it eventually became Darwins Hypothesis. But we've moved way past all of that. It's one of the strongest theories now.
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Yes, still theory though ;) hahaaa
Not verifiable at all. Who lived millions of years to see that happen? Evolutionists agree for it to be verified one must observe it for millions or billions of years. Which u being dishonest won't accept that. BTW I'm talking about evolution of species like change of ape to man, lizard to croc etc
 
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William86

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#85
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alexmurphy said:
Yes, still theory though ;) hahaaa
Not verifiable at all. Who lived millions of years to see that happen? Evolutionists agree for it to be verified one must observe it for millions or billions of years. Which u being dishonest won't accept that. BTW I'm talking about evolution of species like change of ape to man, lizard to croc etc
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This isn't pokemon, it's gonna take some time...
 
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alexmurphy

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#86
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Kisses1990 said:
Speciation generally involves no longer being able to produce fertile offspring, or any offspring. It doesn't matter how similar they may look. Allopatric speciation is the most common. You don't know the real definition of species. The longer a population has been isolated, the more likely a speciation event. The longer time after the animal has speciated, the more profound changes you will see.

Please begin goal post moving. Do you wish to know about "families" now?
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Yes, changes ! Now which scecie became another specie altogether. I am not debating over adaptation. I agree. Now you are wasting my time arguing as just because one part of evolution is true doesn't mean the whole or rest of it is too. U here are talking about adaptation. What I am asking is about change of ape to human etc. Now please stick to this debate not any other part of topic of evolution !!
 
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alexmurphy

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William86 said:
This isn't pokemon, it's gonna take some time...
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Now which forefather of yours lived millions of years to see that? U are being dishonest by not agreeing that this can't be verified !
 
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Kisses1990

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#88
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So, you also do not know what the word "theory" means. Ok...very good.

Btw, eye witness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. You don't have to see anything to prove that it exists. That's another myth. You really have been listening to Ray Comfort too much.. Also, humans technically are apes. We're one of the African Great Apes. There was no becoming man from ape. That doesn't make sense. It's like saying becoming a steering wheel from an exhaust pipe. It's all car parts.
 
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alexmurphy

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#89
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Kisses1990 said:
So, you also do not know what the word "theory" means. Ok...very good.

Btw, eye witness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. You don't have to see anything to prove that it exists. That's another myth. You really have been listening to Ray Comfort too much.. Also, humans technically are apes. We're one of the African Great Apes. There was no becoming man from ape. That doesn't make sense. It's like saying becoming a steering wheel from an exhaust pipe. It's all car parts.
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Why call apes monkeys not humans or call humans not monkeys? Just because u include humans as apes and write that in English, won't make it a fact. It's not a fairy tale where write something and that comes about. U can twist English as u want I don't buy a bit. If u want to debate facts, let me know. :) May God Give u Little more intellect to debate on facts not fiction
 
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alexmurphy

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#90
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Kisses1990 said:
So, you also do not know what the word "theory" means. Ok...very good.

Btw, eye witness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. You don't have to see anything to prove that it exists. That's another myth. You really have been listening to Ray Comfort too much.. Also, humans technically are apes. We're one of the African Great Apes. There was no becoming man from ape. That doesn't make sense. It's like saying becoming a steering wheel from an exhaust pipe. It's all car parts.
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Btw I agree we don't have to see to agree. We have to experiment and verify, then agree :)
 
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Kisses1990

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#91
#91
Umm you're the one twisting language...monkeys are not apes either...lol...you really don't know what you're talking about.
 
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JustWhoIAm

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#92
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alexmurphy said:
Now which forefather of yours lived millions of years to see that? U are being dishonest by not agreeing that this can't be verified !
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Hm.

Agreed.

Without accurate tools, which we've never had although (surprise, surprise) secular science swears by the very flawed ones we have at our disposal, there's no evidence.
 
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alexmurphy

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#93
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Kisses1990 said:
Umm you're the one twisting language...monkeys are not apes either...lol...you really don't know what you're talking about.
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No they are aliens lol. I categorise them as aliens ;) let's make it public and so monkeys will be aliens now ;)
 
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Kisses1990

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#95
#95
Again, you don't have to see anything or be there and witness anything.... First hand accounts and "witnesses" are the least reliable form of evidence. This is like a murder case and we are the detectives. We weren't there, but we look for clues. Dna at the scene of the crime, and other evidence.
 
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JustWhoIAm

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#96
#96
Bible says a bad tree won't bear good fruit.

The theories presented mainly by secular science here have been used and abused time and again to pound the idea of God out of kids in school. It's toxic philosophy, psychological aggression bordering on tyranny. Actually, no. It IS tyranny.

Nothing good can come of it.
 
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alexmurphy

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#97
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Kisses1990 said:
Again, you don't have to see anything or be there and witness anything.... First hand accounts and "witnesses" are the least reliable form of evidence. This is like a murder case and we are the detectives. We weren't there, but we look for clues. Dna at the scene of the crime, and other evidence.
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But to solve this murder case u must live millions/billions of years. (Dishonest again by not agreeing to this)
 
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Kisses1990

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#98
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No, it's not dishonest, you are wrong. You don't have to live millions of years at all. You can see evidence from Dna, fossil record, bad design, vestiges, comparative anatomy, embryology, atavisms, etc... I just listed you 7 completely different lines of evidence. Explain all of them.

The truth is, evolution is the bedrock of all modern biology and you literally can't understand most of biology without having at least some degree of understanding of evolution.

You have faith in an alternative process because of your family or your church. They are misguided. I have no problem accepting that God used evolution. But you must educate yourself. You're making jokes about monkeys being aliens and it's just all too clear you have no clue about their taxonomic ranking or why they are considered primates along with us, and go back further, they are considered mammals...and go back further still, they are animals.... Eukaryotic organisms that diverged from prokaryotes, viruses, etc.. billions of years ago. Ray Comfort is, whether he likes it or not, related to the banana he loves so dearly. Find a better teacher. Comfort is a vacuous dope.
 
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alexmurphy

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#99
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Kisses1990 said:
No, it's not dishonest, you are wrong. You don't have to live millions of years at all. You can see evidence from Dna, fossil record, bad design, vestiges, comparative anatomy, embryology, atavisms, etc... I just listed you 7 completely different lines of evidence. Explain all of them.

The truth is, evolution is the bedrock of all modern biology and you literally can't understand most of biology without having at least some degree of understanding of evolution.

You have faith in an alternative process because of your family or your church. They are misguided. I have no problem accepting that God used evolution. But you must educate yourself. You're making jokes about monkeys being aliens and it's just all too clear you have no clue about their taxonomic ranking or why they are considered primates along with us, and go back further, they are considered mammals...and go back further still, they are animals.... Eukaryotic organisms that diverged from prokaryotes, viruses, etc.. billions of years ago. Ray Comfort is, whether he likes it or not, related to the banana he loves so dearly. Find a better teacher. Comfort is a vacuous dope.
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All the points are assumptions of something being similar does not make it that thing. Do u know humans and bananas share 60% of DNA? That's means nothing.
 
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Kisses1990

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#100
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I'm going to post what I private messaged you here publicly so that anyone reading this might understand a little better where I am coming from.

Hi. First of all, I am a Christian. I'm not lying, I'm trying to answer you the best I can while remaining succinct. I have no problem debating someone, but you must understand that it's a little difficult talking about evolution with someone who does not understand it one bit. I know you think you understand it. I know you won't believe me. But you have been fed lies by someone. You don't understand evolution. If you did, you wouldn't be asking the type of questions you're asking me. It's clear to any real biologist that you are ignorant to it. That's ok. I was ignorant once to it too.

The problem is, you aren't really attacking evolution much, what you're doing is attacking your misguided version of it. I'm not going to defend a false version of evolution. You're setting up strawmen and knocking them down. Look up "strawman fallacy" if you don't know what that means. The point is, much of what you THINK evolution is, is wrong. It makes it very difficult debating with you.
 
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