Ezekiel Temple vision, Ezekiel 40-48, a millennial temple?

[kennethcadwell]

A condition for the priestly or temple service is physical circumcision, Paul says physical circumcision means nothing now, so are you suggesting it will be requirement in a so called millennial age? I say says who? Our bible does not suggest or hint that physical circumcision does or will have any significance after the shadows (OT ceremonial laws), Paul says this system is vanishing away and obsolete.

There can be no priestly requirements when there is no priesthood. We only have one High Priest now, and that is all we will have in the millenium.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Who is pictured as a lion and a lamb in Scripture EG?

I would like to answer this.
Jesus is the lamb and the lion.

He was the Lamb when He came and was sacrificed for our sins.
He is the Lion when He comes back to reclaim His kingdom here on earth.

 

[Bookends]

Your right here, that there will be no animal sacrifices during the millennial reign of Christ.
Those animal sacrifices will start up again when the temple is rebuilt during the tribulation period. The antichrist will then put an end to them when he breaks the treaty and sits in the temple and claims to be God.

The account of the temple in Ezekiel says that these sacrifices are for burnt offerings and sin offering unto the LORD!!!(This is one of the reasons for the temple) THEREFORE THIS CAN NOT BE A MILLENNIAL TEMPLE...sorry for the yelling and caps. Lord, help not get frustrated with these people, my brethren. Can't you see the contradiction you making?

 

[Bookends]

now this I believe.

the question is, Is that the temple of Ezekiel?

Read Ezekiel 40-48 and see for yourself, asking yourself what the purpose of this temple is for? God Says right in there!!! For sacrifices for sin...(of course it's the shadow, the sacrifices of the OT took away sin temporarily, that's why they had to do them over and over). Why would God tell give them an outline for the instruments used to sacrifice animals and temple and it's alter, and what animal to use sacrifice. God told them to do all these things. Kenneth is making it sounds like it's something ordinary men do during the so called "7 year trib".

 

[Bookends]

I would like to answer this.
Jesus is the lamb and the lion.

He was the Lamb when He came and was sacrificed for our sins.
He is the Lion when He comes back to reclaim His kingdom here on earth.

NO, that flies it the face of scripture, GOD stays the same yesterday, today and tomorrow..His Character does not change...Jesus is the Lion and the Lamb yesterday, today and tomorrow. Our God is a God of Justice and Mercy, IT's His Holy Character.

 

[VCO]

SO WHAT IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION?

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”


2 Thessalonians 2:8 (ISV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Then the Lawless One will be revealed, whom the Lord will destroy with the breath of his mouth, {with the giving of an ORDER.} rendering him powerless by the manifestation of his coming.

Revelation 20:1-4 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

PERHAPS WE HAVE OVERLOOKED THE OBVIOUS EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION ACTUALLY IS:

 

[Bookends]

There can be no priestly requirements when there is no priesthood. We only have one High Priest now, and that is all we will have in the millenium.

Then the temple in Ezekiel can not be the millennial temple, there are outlines and requirements in there for the priest to follow, per God's command. Re-read it please.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Read Ezekiel 40-48 and see for yourself, asking yourself what the purpose of this temple is for? God Says right in there!!! For sacrifices for sin...(of course it's the shadow, the sacrifices of the OT took away sin temporarily, that's why they had to do them over and over). Why would God tell give them an outline for the instruments used to sacrifice animals and temple and it's alter, and what animal to use sacrifice. God told them to do all these things. Kenneth is making it sounds like it's something ordinary men do during the so called "7 year trib".

I am making it sound just like they did in the past with the other temples, and I believe there will be a temple during the tribulation and their will be animal sacrifices again at this point.

There has to be a temple in the tribulation for animal sacrifices to take place, in order for the antichrist to put an end to them and sit in the Holy of Holies and claim to be God. No temple, no AOD can take place.
As for the animal sacrifices to carry over to the millennial reign of Christ, I don't see that happening because Christ will be here and no more requirement for sacrifice is needed. The only reason the Jews will do it during the tribulation is because it will be the ones who don't accept Jesus yet.

 

[Bookends]

That is up to debate because some have said yes, and others have said no that it is the third temple and Ezekiel is a fourth temple.
The thing is though that Ezekiel's temple would fit though by the dimensions given, and different prophecy teachers who see the temple mount under a shared agreement. Here is a picture of what an architect came up with using the Ezekiel temple dimensions and a shared arrangement.

ok so now we are adding temples? Where are these mentioned in Scripture? Why is there no mention of them in the NT?

 

[kennethcadwell]

Ok I went back and read it, and did a little research on the subject.
It looks like the millennial temple will have a preisthood, and have animal sacrifices as well. Here are more places to find out other prophecies of this millennial temple.

Prophecies of a Millennial Temple: Joel 3:18 Isaiah 2:3 Isaiah 60:13 Daniel 9:24 Haggai 2:7,9 Prophecies of animal sacrifices in the future Temple: Isaiah 56:6,7 Isaiah 60:7 Jeremiah 33:18 Zechariah 14:16-21

 

[Bookends]

While I fully understand and respect your take on this, I've also learned that the word of God is not always understood on our terms, some things impossible to grasp, but "through a glass darkly." But this is no salvation issue, and we shall see if there's an explanation for many details impossible for me, anyway, to explain away.

But although you may not understand it all, if someone like myself disagrees with you, you act differently towards me in calling me a scoffer. If you can't understand it all, why can I not understand it all? It seems like you label me as an apostate in the Christian Church.

 

[Bookends]

43 Afterward he brought me to the gate, the gate that faces toward the east. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east. His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory. [SUP]3 [/SUP]It was like the appearance of the vision which I saw—like the vision which I saw when I[SUP][a][/SUP] came to destroy the city. The visions were like the vision which I saw by the River Chebar; and I fell on my face. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And the glory of the Lord came into the temple by way of the gate which faces toward the east. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the temple.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Then I heard Him speaking to me from the temple, while a man stood beside me. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever. No more shall the house of Israel defile My holy name, they nor their kings, by their harlotry or with the carcasses of their kings on their high places. [SUP]8 [/SUP]When they set their threshold by My threshold, and their doorpost by My doorpost, with a wall between them and Me, they defiled My holy name by the abominations which they committed; therefore I have consumed them in My anger. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Now let them put their harlotry and the carcasses of their kings far away from Me, and I will dwell in their midst forever.

sounds here like the temple is finished before the lords return, for here we have the vision of the king coming from the east and setting up his throne, after he regathers isreal and puts her back in her own land.

Cant be before or after the Lord's return, for the passage clearly teaches that God gave the plans and all requirements for animal sacrifice which has done away with in the NT.

 

[Bookends]

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Thus says the Lord God: “No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart or uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter My sanctuary, including any foreigner who is among the children of Israel.

Cant be the eternal. not only because their is no eternal temple as already shown, but we still have a fact that no unclean person can enter the temple. there will be no unclean people in heaven.

EG, there is not a physical temple period. The temple is the Church, each and everyone of us is a living stone in this church, WE are a holy nation (Peter says), it's a temple built by the hands of God.

Thanks for making that other point, no unclean person can enter the temple...But WE know the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin, so we can enter by faith, Paul tells us to be bold in entering it!!!

 

[Bookends]

Yes, if you call the tribulation temple the 3rd temple, Ezekiel's temple is the 4th. Remember, when the Lord comes to the Mount of Olives, it cleaves in two, anything of the Old City, across the street, will surely be a pile of rubble. This will be a major, major earthquake.

So God never mentions anything about the 2nd temple and 3rd temple, skips over them and goes straight to the 4th. Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Bookends]

Ok I went back and read it, and did a little research on the subject.
It looks like the millennial temple will have a preisthood, and have animal sacrifices as well. Here are more places to find out other prophecies of this millennial temple.

Prophecies of a Millennial Temple: Joel 3:18 Isaiah 2:3 Isaiah 60:13 Daniel 9:24 Haggai 2:7,9 Prophecies of animal sacrifices in the future Temple: Isaiah 56:6,7 Isaiah 60:7 Jeremiah 33:18 Zechariah 14:16-21

Hebrew says going back to temple, priest and sacrifice is trampling the blood of Jesus under foot...NO Where in the bible does it ever say we are going back the old, Paul says it is obsolete and ready to vanish away. I can't understand why an intelligent person like yourself can't see the blasphemy in this!

 

[kennethcadwell]

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Despite the tragic war Israel is currently entangled in, our generation has been blessed with the fulfillment of numerous Biblical promises. We have seen the rebirth of the State of Israel and continue to witness the Ingathering of the Exiles from the four corners of the world. For the first time in centuries Jerusalem is in Jewish hands, yet once a year, on the 9th day of the Hebrew month of Av, Jews fast, cry and mourn for the destruction of our Holy Temple. How can we ignore all these great blessings and why do we mourn for a building that was destroyed 2,000 years ago?
The Bible repeatedly describes the Temple as the spiritual center of the world and the source for peace and prosperity. In Isaiah’s famous vision the prophet describes, “They shall beat their swords into plowshares…for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.” The absence of the Temple is seen in the stories reported on the nightly news and its void adversely affects nations, geo-politics and global peace. Director of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, Rabbi Chaim Richman explains that the 9th of Av “is not about bemoaning the Temple. It’s about bemoaning the world without the Temple. A world that has lost its light, its color and its direction.”
Indeed, there is a growing “Temple Movement” in Israel today with thousands of Jews working to rebuild the Temple. According to a poll taken last year in a leading newspaper Ha’aretz, one third of Israelis believe that Israel should erect the Temple on the Temple Mount. Israel’s Housing Minister called publicly for the rebuilding of the Temple, “We’ve built many little, little temples,” MK Uri Ariel said, referring to synagogues, “but we need to build a real Temple on the Temple Mount.”

Schools throughout Israel are diligently studying the intricate laws of the Temple and Jews of all backgrounds visit the Temple Mount each month. The Jerusalem Post quoted Sarit Berko, a non-observant Israeli who came to the Western Wall to observe the 9th of Av from her home in Tel Aviv, an annual pilgrimage she has made since the Six Day War in 1967. “During Passover, most Jews say ‘Next year in Jerusalem’,” explained Berko, “As an Israeli I pray, ‘Next year may the Third Temple be built and last for eternity.’
The Temple is such a central theme in the Bible that one third of all its commandments deal with laws carried out in it. Rabbi Richman explains that far from being an extremist, “our desire to see a rebuilt Temple is an expression of healthy, normative Judaism.” To further their advocacy, the Temple Institute recently released a short video “The Children are Ready” which dramatically portrays young Jewish kids dragging their fathers from synagogue services in order to join them in the rebuilding of the Temple.
[h=4]Tisha B’Av: The Children are Ready[/h]While it is true that our generation has much to be grateful for and that our return to Israel is nothing short of miraculous, the golden dome sitting atop the Temple Mount provides a constant reminder that the Torah cannot be fulfilled perfectly and Judaism cannot be expressed fully until the Third Temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem.
May God quickly end this ugly war Israel is entangled in and bring a lasting and eternal peace to Zion so that this 9th of Av is the last sorrowful day and we all rejoice together in the streets of Jerusalem with the arrival of the Messiah and the redemption of the world.



Read more at We’re Ready to Rebuild the Temple - Breaking Israel News

 

[Bookends]

I am making it sound just like they did in the past with the other temples, and I believe there will be a temple during the tribulation and their will be animal sacrifices again at this point.

There has to be a temple in the tribulation for animal sacrifices to take place, in order for the antichrist to put an end to them and sit in the Holy of Holies and claim to be God. No temple, no AOD can take place.
As for the animal sacrifices to carry over to the millennial reign of Christ, I don't see that happening because Christ will be here and no more requirement for sacrifice is needed. The only reason the Jews will do it during the tribulation is because it will be the ones who don't accept Jesus yet.

That God institutes Himself?

 

[Bookends]

I am making it sound just like they did in the past with the other temples, and I believe there will be a temple during the tribulation and their will be animal sacrifices again at this point.

There has to be a temple in the tribulation for animal sacrifices to take place, in order for the antichrist to put an end to them and sit in the Holy of Holies and claim to be God. No temple, no AOD can take place.
As for the animal sacrifices to carry over to the millennial reign of Christ, I don't see that happening because Christ will be here and no more requirement for sacrifice is needed. The only reason the Jews will do it during the tribulation is because it will be the ones who don't accept Jesus yet.

Why would the anti-christ want to put an end to animal sacrifice, It diverts the people's attention away from the real sacrifice in Jesus Christ.

 

[JesusIsAll]

But although you may not understand it all, if someone like myself disagrees with you, you act differently towards me in calling me a scoffer. If you can't understand it all, why can I not understand it all? It seems like you label me as an apostate in the Christian Church.

There's a difference between saying one can't just explain away something, which means it's there in the Bible plain to see, and saying I don't understand it. I'm not explaining away anything. There are reasons for some things only God knows, but certain facts are evident. That you are not learned in the Old Testament millennium you have admitted to, saying you need to study things I've studied many years, already. It appears you've miraculously come back with all these things in hand, after Googling a bit, a few days, found a website or two that tickles your ears, and now ready to refute all others? As to calling you a scoffer, I quoted scripture from Peter, to the thread generally, replying to nothing, from anybody. Did I call you a scoffer, or were you somehow pricked by God's word, your having said much that future prophecy is nonsense? It is you who seems to have some difficulty with that scripture, and a problem with scoffing at things God has revealed. But this is, in its essence, a personal problem you shouldn't project. I am fine with those things I know to be true, you're not, but, in the end, the primary difference between you and I is that I am not you.

 

[kennethcadwell]

That God institutes Himself?

I would say that He allows it to be built, that is the one during the tribulation.
Because once again how can the man of sin put an end to sacrifices, and sit in the temple and claim to be God if there is no temple ?

There has to be a temple for animal sacrifices to resume, and there has to be one for the antichrist/man of sin to sit in and claim to be God.