Faith Alone?

[GregoryC]

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[dcontroversal]

Gen 26:3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father.
Gen 26:4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;
Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."

Romans 4:11-12 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised: that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our Father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Romans 4:3 Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

 

[john832]

Romans 4:11-12 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised: that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our Father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Romans 4:3 Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

He believed God enough to obey Him.

 

[dcontroversal]

He believed God enough to obey Him.

I agree, but it was the faith that was put to his account and circumcision was the result of said faith.
True biblical faith will always produce biblical works, but at the end of the day it is the (faith) that we exercise that is put to our account.

Even David in the same chapter describes the blessedness of righteousness being put to an account of man based upon faith without works! VS. 6 Romans 4

 

[GregoryC]

Saving faith always bears fruit.

 

[TheAristocat]

When we are given examples of faith in scripture, it also talks of how faith is exercised.

Abel offered an acceptable sacrifice by faith.
Enoch was translated by faith.
Noah prepared the ark by faith.
Abraham went into a strange land by faith.
Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau prophetically by faith.
Jacob blessed the sons of Joseph prophetically by faith.
Joseph prophesied of Israel’s departure from Egypt by faith.
Moses was hid as a baby by faith.
Moses kept the Passover by faith.
The Red Sea parted by faith.
The walls of Jericho fell by faith.
Rehab, the harlot, saved herself and her family by faith.
Gideon delivered Israel from the Midianites by faith.
Daniel stopped the mouths of lions by faith.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego quenched the violence of fire by faith.

When scripture was written in Hebrew so ancient it was in pictograph, the picture of faith was of an arm driving a nail in a wall. It was doing based on something as solid as a wall. We are told faith without works in dead.

Yet, I never hear of anyone talk about faith and doing together. I have only heard that it is faith alone. This would say that faith is to be applied to what we do in our life, that faith is to be used as the root of our actions.

I would say faith alone is necessary to accept the Gospel. But the kind of faith needed is one that leads to action - to works. If you don't have works then it's likely you don't have faith.

 

[crossnote]

You are adding to God's word. God is precise, accurate, true. You are saying that Jesus forgives our sin because we have faith. We go to Him because of our faith, but God forgives us freely and without question because of our repentance, not because of our faith. The demons have faith in God, they know of His power and glory.

Faith is a 'turning to' God, repentance ia 'a turning from' our sin, you can't have one without another. Again, a false accusation.

 

[GregoryC]

The Whole point of salvation by grace through faith. Is to make it plainly clear to everyone who comes to Christ for their Salvation.

You are a lost sinner and you cannot earn it.
When Christ bowed His head and said The work is finished, He meant it.
To attempt to add good works as a means to approve yourself to God is an insult to the Spirit of grace and you will be rejected.

To enter into Christ, it is a narrow door. You cannot bring anything in with you whatsoever. No righteous deeds. Not even trusting in your repentance, nor trusting in your faith, but trusting in Christ alone.

Nothing in my hands I bring only to your cross I cling.

 

[crossnote]

Is this double talk or what?

No, not really. Only God can 'see' faith, but that doesn't mean true faith is by itself, it isn't, it is accompanied with fruit/good works.
Yet when God justifies it's on account of that faith alone...that He alone sees and not on account of the accompanying/subsequent works.

 

[GregoryC]

Repentance and faith are both gifts from God so that I the sinner can receive His greatest gift The Lord Jesus Christ.

John 1:12 But as many as recaived Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that beleive on His Name.

 

[RedTent]

No, not really. Only God can 'see' faith, but that doesn't mean true faith is by itself, it isn't, it is accompanied with fruit/good works.
Yet when God justifies it's on account of that faith alone...that He alone sees and not on account of the accompanying/subsequent works.

Where is a scripture saying the Christ forgives and justifies because of our faith? We go to God for justification because we have faith in the Lord to accomplish that, but Christ does not say to us that because we have faith He will forgive our sins. Christ says when we repent and turn to Him He forgives and forgets our sin. Demons have faith in God, demons know God well, they have faith is what God can do. God does not forgive the sins of demons because they do not ask forgiveness or turn to Christ to follow Him.

 

[GregoryC]

Where is a scripture saying the Christ forgives and justifies because of our faith? We go to God for justification because we have faith in the Lord to accomplish that, but Christ does not say to us that because we have faith He will forgive our sins. Christ says when we repent and turn to Him He forgives and forgets our sin. Demons have faith in God, demons know God well, they have faith is what God can do. God does not forgive the sins of demons because they do not ask forgiveness or turn to Christ to follow Him.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

 

[GregoryC]

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[dcontroversal]

Where is a scripture saying the Christ forgives and justifies because of our faith? We go to God for justification because we have faith in the Lord to accomplish that, but Christ does not say to us that because we have faith He will forgive our sins. Christ says when we repent and turn to Him He forgives and forgets our sin. Demons have faith in God, demons know God well, they have faith is what God can do. God does not forgive the sins of demons because they do not ask forgiveness or turn to Christ to follow Him.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW.

 

[CRC]

The apostle Paul said that “faith follows the thing heard.” (Romans 10:17) This natural progression from hearing the Word of God to exercising faith in his Son, Jesus Christ, puts us in line for everlasting life. Yes, something more is required than simply saying, ‘I believe in God and Christ.’
Jesus urged his followers to have the kind of faith that would move them to action: “My Father is glorified in this, that you keep bearing much fruit and prove yourselves my disciples.” (John 15:8) Later, Jesus’ half brother James wrote: “Become doers of the word, and not hearers only.” (James 1:22)

 

[38miles]

You are adding to God's word. God is precise, accurate, true. You are saying that Jesus forgives our sin because we have faith. We go to Him because of our faith, but God forgives us freely and without question because of our repentance, not because of our faith. The demons have faith in God, they know of His power and glory.

I would not equate demons knowing of God with demons having faith in God.

My understanding is that as a seed, my faith rests alone in work that is not my own.

 

[jandian]

Because they believed, they obeyed. That's why they were listed

 

[RedTent]

dcontroversal;1415409]Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works lest any man should boast.

I think these scriptures prove my point. We, by faith go to Christ for salvations, and we are not saved by the works we do, but by grace.

Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Again, it is by Holy Grace that we have eternal life, Forgiveness can be granted by God alone, no human is given that power

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW.

The power to save is not a human power, but a power only God has. That power is completely apart from the deeds of the law.

These things don't negate the directions to us to take our sins to Christ to be forgiven through His Power that is beyond the power of any man.

 

[GregoryC]

The apostle Paul said that “faith follows the thing heard.” (Romans 10:17) This natural progression from hearing the Word of God to exercising faith in his Son, Jesus Christ, puts us in line for everlasting life. Yes, something more is required than simply saying, ‘I believe in God and Christ.’
Jesus urged his followers to have the kind of faith that would move them to action: “My Father is glorified in this, that you keep bearing much fruit and prove yourselves my disciples.” (John 15:8) Later, Jesus’ half brother James wrote: “Become doers of the word, and not hearers only.” (James 1:22)

I must repond here as your post is misleading in that you say "we are put in line for everlasting life"? Where did that come from?
The very moment you beleive you are born again and sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

You also say "something else is required" now you are bordering on heresy.
Salvation is free and apart from any work of ours whatsoever.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Do not confuse salvation and justification with works.

 

[RedTent]

I must repond here as your post is misleading in that you say "we are put in line for everlasting life"? Where did that come from?
The very moment you beleive you are born again and sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 1:13In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

You also say "something else is required" now you are bordering on heresy.
Salvation is free and apart from any work of ours whatsoever.
Romans 4:5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Do not confuse salvation and justification with works.

It is all so intertwined, that it is easy to get the way it all works together very mixed up. Spiritual truths are precise and absolutely true, and as in another post, it takes humbleness to hear.

When we are given salvation, the result of our repentance and turning to Christ, that salvation is absolutely free. God doesn't see the sin any more at all. God didn't save you because you worked for it, it was given to you because He is God and when you turn to Him with repentance, God rejoices and welcomes you.

As in Romans, it points this out again. With faith we give ourselves to Christ, and know Christ forgives us and gives us eternal life.

We are not to confuse salvation with works, but we are to know that salvation comes with repentance and turning from sin. Then, it isn't that we are saved because of our works, but by grace.