Faith Alone?

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Where is a scripture saying the Christ forgives and justifies because of our faith? We go to God for justification because we have faith in the Lord to accomplish that, but Christ does not say to us that because we have faith He will forgive our sins. Christ says when we repent and turn to Him He forgives and forgets our sin. Demons have faith in God, demons know God well, they have faith is what God can do. God does not forgive the sins of demons because they do not ask forgiveness or turn to Christ to follow Him.
Did Abraham go to the Lord for justification or did the Lord come to Him with a promise? Abraham believed the promise and his faith was credited to him as righteousness.

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Demons believe that God is one and tremble...but they have never been given a promise for salvation...so they can't exercise saving faith...neither did the Son of God become an angel to redeem them.
RedTent you tout all the time we need the whole bible, which is true and some of us could use some shoring up in the OT, but your lack of basic understanding of justification apart from works tells me some one here needs a refresher course in the New Testament.
 
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GregoryC

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We come to Christ in our sins. As guilty sinners in need of grace.
Coming to Christ for forgiveness is repentance.

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
 
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To RedTent, I am insulted by your words, "I have never heard anyone speak of faith with actions" loose quote, sorry. I have said sooo many times, faith without works is dead, and justification by faith alone is wrong. We are justified by grace, faith and works. Am I not somebody? Love you Hoffco, Doug
 

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To RedTent, I am insulted by your words, "I have never heard anyone speak of faith with actions" loose quote, sorry. I have said sooo many times, faith without works is dead, and justification by faith alone is wrong. We are justified by grace, faith and works. Am I not somebody? Love you Hoffco, Doug
We are saved, justified and sealed by grace. Works are the natural result of salvation. A good branch must bear good fruit it cannot bear corrupt fruit. Faith also comes from God through His word and His Holy Spirit in the heart of the believer.

God's grace alone is wholly sufficient or it is not grace but works. Placing what results from grace before grace is error.

For the cause of Christ
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To RedTent, I am insulted by your words, "I have never heard anyone speak of faith with actions" loose quote, sorry. I have said sooo many times, faith without works is dead, and justification by faith alone is wrong. We are justified by grace, faith and works. Am I not somebody? Love you Hoffco, Doug
We are not justified by works. Our works prove our faith was real. We are saved by grace through faith APART from works.

As paul said. NOT by WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which WE HAVE DONE. HE SAVED US (titus 3: 5)!!!!
 

john832

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We come to Christ in our sins. As guilty sinners in need of grace.
Coming to Christ for forgiveness is repentance.

1 Timothy 1:15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Guilty is correct, we come to Christ guilty of transgressing His Law. Christ is very gracious to forgive and then He says, OK my son, now you can go out and do whatever you like? Uh, maybe not...

Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
 

john832

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We are not justified by works. Our works prove our faith was real. We are saved by grace through faith APART from works.

As paul said. NOT by WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which WE HAVE DONE. HE SAVED US (titus 3: 5)!!!!
And this I agree with 100 over 100 but that is not a free pass to continue in sin...

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
 
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And this I agree with 100 over 100 but that is not a free pass to continue in sin...

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Who said we have a free pass to continue in sin?

Thats not the question. the question is, can you become sinless? The second question is, what should we focus on??
 
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When we are given examples of faith in scripture, it also talks of how faith is exercised.

Abel offered an acceptable sacrifice by faith.
Enoch was translated by faith.
Noah prepared the ark by faith.
Abraham went into a strange land by faith.
Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau prophetically by faith.
Jacob blessed the sons of Joseph prophetically by faith.
Joseph prophesied of Israel’s departure from Egypt by faith.
Moses was hid as a baby by faith.
Moses kept the Passover by faith.
The Red Sea parted by faith.
The walls of Jericho fell by faith.
Rehab, the harlot, saved herself and her family by faith.
Gideon delivered Israel from the Midianites by faith.
Daniel stopped the mouths of lions by faith.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego quenched the violence of fire by faith.

When scripture was written in Hebrew so ancient it was in pictograph, the picture of faith was of an arm driving a nail in a wall. It was doing based on something as solid as a wall. We are told faith without works in dead.

Yet, I never hear of anyone talk about faith and doing together. I have only heard that it is faith alone. This would say that faith is to be applied to what we do in our life, that faith is to be used as the root of our actions.
The bible ties works so closely to faith that faith is a work:

1 Thess 1:3 "Remembering without ceasing your work of faith..."

Gal 5"6 "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love"

Mk 2:5 "When Jesus saw their faith..." (In the ocntexot of Mk 2, what Jesus saw that is called faith is the work the men did in removing the roof and lowering a sick on a bed down to Him)



Lv 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood:...."
Jmaes 2:26 "...the body without the spirit is dead.."
James 2: 20 "...faith without works is dead..."

As the life of the flesh is in the blood, the life of faith is in the works.

Remove the blood kill the flesh and the flesh is dead.
Remove the spirit kill the body and the body is dead.
Remove the works kill the faith and the faith is dead.


So it is impossible to have a saving faith that is void of works for a faith void of works has no life...it is dead and a dead 'faith only' cannot save.
 
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We are not justified by works. Our works prove our faith was real. We are saved by grace through faith APART from works.

As paul said. NOT by WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which WE HAVE DONE. HE SAVED US (titus 3: 5)!!!!
How can you be so arrogant ? your first line has two statements that fly into the face of God and says, GOD ,your word lies, God you said, in your Bible, we are JUSTIFIED by GRACE, FAITH and by WORDS. GOD you LIE. I say , "WE ARE NOT JUSTIFIED BY WORKS" what you said in James is WRONG GOD, GOD YOU MUST REPENT How blasphemous can you be!
And,God says in Eph. 2:8-10 " by Grace you have been saved thru
Faith.. UNTO good works.." How can you so arrogantly say"APART from WORKS"
PLEASE stop changing God's word.! Love to all, who love God's word, Hoffco
 
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When we are given examples of faith in scripture, it also talks of how faith is exercised.

Abel OBEYED GODS WORD AND DID WHAT GOD ASKED AND offered an acceptable sacrifice by faith.
Enoch
OBEYED GODS WORD AND DID WHAT GOD ASKED AND was translated by faith.
Noah
OBEYED GODS WORD AND DID WHAT GOD ASKED AND prepared the ark by faith.
Abraham
OBEYED GODS WORD AND DID WHAT GOD ASKED AND went into a strange land by faith.
Moses
OBEYED GODS WORD AND DID WHAT GOD ASKED AND kept the Passover by faith.
The Red Sea parted by Moses who
OBEYED GODS WORD AND DID WHAT GOD ASKED AND walked in faith.
The walls of Jericho fell by faith after they all
OBEYED GODS WORD AND DID WHAT GOD ASKED
Gideon
OBEYED GODS WORD AND DID WHAT GOD ASKED AND then with 300 delivered Israel from the Midianites by faith.
Daniel
OBEYED GODS WORD AND DID WHAT GOD ASKED AND stopped the mouths of lions by faith.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego
OBEYED GODS WORD AND DID WHAT GOD ASKED AND quenched the violence of fire by faith.

When scripture was written in Hebrew so ancient it was in pictograph, the picture of faith was of an arm driving a nail in a wall WORKS. It was doing based on something as solid as a wall. We are told faith without works in dead.

Yet, I never hear of anyone talk about faith and doing together. I have only heard that it is faith alone. This would say that faith is to be applied to what we do in our life, that faith is to be used as the root of our actions.
faith and doing together is anathema to the false gospels
 
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WE do not need anathema we need the cross
 
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What did Abraham do?
 
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His was 'the obedience of faith'; but such faith was not meritorious, so it is indeed by faith that true believers obey.
 
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So our faith is greater, because we have not seen but believed.
 
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Hoffco

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It is so simple to trust God and say what God says! "faith without works is dead" james 2:20 then 22"Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? You can only talk of "faith without works when you are talking about our whole salvation experience, ONLY in the initial JUSTIFICATION ,is faith without works, accepting Jesus' cross work, is by faith alone. When we talk of salvation, we can not say, "faith alone". that faith does not save. it is dead. Therefore, salvation, as a whole packet, needs works added to faith to make it real faith, that works to our eternal salvation. So, the Bible says, an unholy person can not be saved. An ungodly,unholy, person can be justified ,but his life will be change very very fast ,because he is "Called" with a "holy calling", "called to be saints". THINK ABOUT THIS! Remember salvation as a whole package is Sanctification and Justification. Our great error is that we exult Justification over Sanctification, God puts sanct. before Justi.. and in the end Jesus, Paul, and James said , we will be justified by "works" as well as "faith". Love, Hoffco
 

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True faith is accompanied with works, always!

The big question is what type of work accompanies true faith? Abraham had faith and the work of his faith was to kill his only begotten son, Issac.

Rehab believed and the work of her faith was to hide the spies and help them escape.

So a work of faith is an action that proves your faith is more than simple lip service. Yet we are saved by faith in Christ alone.
Yes. The word "alone" in regards to salvation through faith "in Christ alone" conveys the message that Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not on the merits of our works. It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony.*
 

p_rehbein

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Faith, n. 1.Confidence.2.Religious belief.3.Loyalty.
Faith’ ful, adj. 1.Loyal.2.Having religious belief.3.Copying accurately.
-----faith’ful-ly, adv.
-----faith’ful-ness, n.
Work, n, 1.Exertion; labor.2.Task.3.Employment.4. Place of employment.5.Materials on which one works.6.Result of work.7.(pl.) industrial plant. ---adj.8.Of or for work.----v.9)do work.10)operate successfully.11)move or give.12)Solve.13.Excite.14.Ferment.Work’able, addj. ---- work’er, n.


Genesis 1:1)In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
(those who believe this must do so based on “faith.”)
Genesis 15:1) After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram:I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.2) And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?3)And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed:and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.4)And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.5)And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them:and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.6)And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
(Abram believed ---had faith that God would do what He said He would do---God, and God counted his belief/faith as righteousness to Abram)
From the Word of God concerning faith:
Deuteronomy 4:9-10/1 Samuel 12:16/2 Samuel 22:31/2 Samuel 24:10/ 2 Kings 6:16-17/2 Kings 13:14-19/1 Chronicles 19:13/2 Chronicles 15:2/2 Chronicles 32:10-15/Ezra 8:21-23/Job 1:22; 2:10; 13:15; 16:19; 19:25-26/Psalm 34:8; 57:2; 78:5-8; 115:13; 117:2; 118:5-9; 131:3; 145:13; 147:10-11/Proverbs 3:5-6; 22:4; 29:25/Nahum 1:7/Isaiah 7:9; 26:3/Daniel 3:16-17; 9:18/Hosea 10:5/Habakkuk 2:4/Zechariah 12:5/Matthew 8:2-4; 8:13; 9:18-25; 14:22-31; 15:21-28; 17:17; 17-20; 21:21-22/Mark 4:30-32; 2:15; 4:36-41; 6:4-6; 9:23-24; 10:13-16; 10:46-52; 11:24/Luke 7:1-10; 11:20; 17:5-6/ 22:31-38/John 4:50; 5:45; 11:25-26/Acts 6:5; 17:2-3/Romans 1:17(Galatians 3:11 and Hebrews 10:38); Romans 4:1-3; 4:20; 5:1-2; 8:24-25 (2 Corinthians 4:18) Romans 9:30-33 (Galatians 3:2-5 and James 2:17) Romans 10:17; 12:3; 14:23 (Hebrews 11:6); Romans 15:13/1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 3:18-23/2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Corinthians 5:1-7; 13:5/Galatians 3:6-9; 5:6/Ephesians 6:16/Colossians 1:15-23; 2:6-8/1[SUP]st[/SUP] Thessalonians 1:3/2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Thessalonians 1:4/1[SUP]st[/SUP] Timothy 1:19; 3:9; 6:12/2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Timothy 1:12/Titus 1:4/Hebrews 2:9; 4:1-3; 6:6; 11:1; 11:2-40/James 1:6/1[SUP]st[/SUP] Peter 1:5; 1:8-9/1[SUP]st[/SUP] John 5:4
 

p_rehbein

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Romans 3:27) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay; but by the law of faith. 28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 4:13) For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14) For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:……………………….20) He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21) And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able to perform. 22) And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23) Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24) But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25) Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Romans 5:1) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; 2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Romans 9:31) But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32) Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at the stumblingstone;
Romans 10:4) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth……………………..9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved……………..13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 11:6) And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Galatians2:16) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Colossians 2:6) As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him; 7) Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

Jackson123

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If we accept Jesus a second before we die, than we go to Heaven. Because faith is the one Jesus looking for.

But yes there is correlation between faith and work describe in John 15 if we have faith in Jesus strong enough that cause to abide in Him, we will bear the fruit. And the fruit of Holy spirit is love/work that base in love example helping people to know Jesus. Helping people to know Jesus is the greatest love ever.

Let say we help the hungry and feed them. if he doesn't know the Lord, he will go to hell anyway and he suffer more then just hungry.

But if we lead him to the Lord, though may still hungry and die of starvation, He may suffer for a month but have eternal life like a prince with Jesus in heaven.

If we have food of course we feed him because of love and we feed his soul as well.

One can help people without love, as describe in I cor 13. For example I help people to get impression so people think I am a loving person and elect me as a deacon or as mayor etc.