Faith Alone?

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know1

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crossnote said:
Faith and doing are always together, but when God justifies it is not on account of our doing, it is on account of our faith.
Another person cannot see 'faith' but can see our doing; yet God can not only see our doing He can 'see' our faith as well.
So we are justified by faith alone (as God declares) yet that faith is not alone.
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Eph_4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
There is only one kind of faith, and it works one way, and one way only. It is the same kind that Abraham had, and corresponding action constitutes it as faith. Without the works, your faith remains as believing only.
You can ignore or explain scripture away, but the truth remains the same, and so does faith and how it works.
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is [still] dead, being alone.
 
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Hoffco

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If faith is never alone , works always follows, HOW do we dare say By faith "alone". When James says
not by faith ALONE"?
 
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Hoffco

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Lets say, We are justified by Christ ALONE and not by the "works of the Law" as the Bible says. but never by faith "ALONE"!
 
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james57

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By faith alone:

For we maintain a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law rom3:28
 
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james57

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Faith is the conduit through which grace cones
 
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Hoffco

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Lets ALSO learn to say with God, We are saved by sanctification and Justification, and not by Justification ALONE, which the Bible never says, and which is opposite of the Bible's teaching, that "we are "saved by sanctification by the
Spirit and faith, (belief) in the truth". 2Thess2:13
 
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Hoffco

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SO, Which comes first," the chicken or the egg?". ans is GOD came first, because He created the chicken. So with salvation, who comes first, GOD or the sinner? GOD!
 
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james57

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For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this not from yourselves it is the gift of God, not by works so that no one can boast
Eph2:8&9
 
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Hoffco

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Let us STOP glorifing man, lets glorify GOD! We should NOT be adding our thoughts into the word of GOD.
 
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james57

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For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from FIRST TO LAST, just as it is written. The righteous will live by faith rom1:17
 
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Hoffco

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YES, 'the gospel of Christ is the POWER of GOD to all who BELIEVE" but who causes us to believe in God, ANS, GOD. Who caused us to be physically born? us or our Mother and Father.! WHO caused our spiritual birth? GOD, not our self will.!!
 
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james57

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Hoffco said:
YES, 'the gospel of Christ is the POWER of GOD to all who BELIEVE" but who causes us to believe in God, ANS, GOD. Who caused us to be physically born? us or our Mother and Father.! WHO caused our spiritual birth? GOD, not our self will.!!
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No need to shout, I agree with you
 
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Hoffco

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YES,"by GRACE" because we are "HIS workmanship", The new birth is of GOD, the WORKMANSHIP of GOD Eph.2:10 and not our self willing. Jh.1:13 "of GOD"
 
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Babylonisfalling

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Faith begets behavior.
And in turn, behavior begets greater faith
Then the cycle begins to pick up momentum
 
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Hoffco

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Sorrow, I think, YOU do, BUT there are a LOT of Christians ,who are DEAD wrong, and they need to be set straight, Do you agree with this: Preachers are deceiving people with this bad teaching of faith "ALONE".!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hoffco said:
If faith is never alone , works always follows, HOW do we dare say By faith "alone". When James says
not by faith ALONE"?
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Because James does say faith alone, He just states a fact, Faith is never alone.

Why do you want to put human works in the equation. as if anything you or I could do would make up for one sin against God..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hoffco said:
Lets say, We are justified by Christ ALONE and not by the "works of the Law" as the Bible says. but never by faith "ALONE"!
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Can't do that. because if it is not by Faith alone, it is not by Christ alone. It is Christ plus......(add whatever works you are teaching is required to be saved)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hoffco said:
SO, Which comes first," the chicken or the egg?". ans is GOD came first, because He created the chicken. So with salvation, who comes first, GOD or the sinner? GOD!
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yep.

So how dare the sinner think he comes first. by saying he must work to earn salvation.. And not by faith alone in the work of Christ, put God first?

 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hoffco said:
YES, 'the gospel of Christ is the POWER of GOD to all who BELIEVE" but who causes us to believe in God, ANS, GOD. Who caused us to be physically born? us or our Mother and Father.! WHO caused our spiritual birth? GOD, not our self will.!!
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then why do you want to add works??

THAT IS SELF!!
 
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HappyGuy

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Ephesians 2:8-22

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Romans 10:17

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Hebrews 12:2

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
 
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