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In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works. This explains why the devils do not live by faith or produce good works/fruit.
Lemme get this straight.....
1. She didn't accuse anyone
2. She didn't express a "I'm right, & the rest of the world is wrong" attitude
3. She was "dead on"
4. She spoke words of edification
5. She's argued with no one in this thread, nor responded harshly when provoked (by you)
6. She didn't rebuke anyone
7. She didn't open this thread simply to start an OSAS argument
Yet you openly condemn her for speaking her mind?!?
How many "adults" in this forum do ten times worse, including women, yet I've never seen you correct any of them.
I don't know all she's written in the past..... don't care. All I know is a 17 yr old christian speaks up for what she believes in (Praise God!), & all you can do is condemn her for her actions.
If only more christian youth were as outspoken as her!
Did your outburst edify anyone? Did you approach this situation with motherly love as a christian? Do you EVEN KNOW how many times I've read your posts arguing & disputing with men?
I've NEVER said a word about your actions before..... to me it was no big deal.....till now.
Matthew 23:23-24 (KJV) [SUP]23 [/SUP]Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. [SUP]24[/SUP]Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
1. She didn't accuse anyone
2. She didn't express a "I'm right, & the rest of the world is wrong" attitude
3. She was "dead on"
4. She spoke words of edification
5. She's argued with no one in this thread, nor responded harshly when provoked (by you)
6. She didn't rebuke anyone
7. She didn't open this thread simply to start an OSAS argument
Yet you openly condemn her for speaking her mind?!?
How many "adults" in this forum do ten times worse, including women, yet I've never seen you correct any of them.
I don't know all she's written in the past..... don't care. All I know is a 17 yr old christian speaks up for what she believes in (Praise God!), & all you can do is condemn her for her actions.
If only more christian youth were as outspoken as her!
Did your outburst edify anyone? Did you approach this situation with motherly love as a christian? Do you EVEN KNOW how many times I've read your posts arguing & disputing with men?
I've NEVER said a word about your actions before..... to me it was no big deal.....till now.
Matthew 23:23-24 (KJV) [SUP]23 [/SUP]Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. [SUP]24[/SUP]Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
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“See, our works can’t save us.”
Yes, that is true! Our works can’t save us. Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity. (2 Tim. 1: 9) But how about God’s work. So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure. (Philip. 2: 12, 13) In these verses our obedience is attributed to God working in us both to will and to do.
The Apostle John tells us that those who do not love and keep His commandments do not know God. (1 John 4: 8; 2: 3- 5) The Apostle Paul writes that he who does not know God and does not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus awaits eternal destruction. (2 Thess. 1: 8, 9) There can be no doubt that we must love, keep His commandments and obey the gospel.
Jesus said that he, who believed the gospel and has been baptized, shall be saved. (Mark 16: 15, 16) Clearly those that are baptized have obeyed the gospel. We believe the gospel when we assent to the truth that Jesus--- died, was buried, and arose. We obey the gospel in baptism when we obey that for of teaching--- die, are buried, arise. (Rom. 6: 1-7, 17) Jesus is the source of eternal salvation to those that obey Him. (Heb. 5: 9)
Paul writes that in Christ the only meaningful thing is faith working through love, that is, faith obeying the truth through love. (Gal. 5: 6) James tells us that faith is perfected by works and we are justified by that perfected faith, not by faith alone. (James 2: 21- 24) What then are the works referred to by both Paul and James? Is it not the works of faith and the obedience of faith? (1 Thess. 1: 3; 2 Thess. 1: 11; Acts 6: 7; Ron. 1: 5) Works of faith are works of God because faith is a work of God. (John 6: 29) When we do the works of faith, we are not doing our own works; we are doing the works of God. God bless.
Yes, that is true! Our works can’t save us. Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity. (2 Tim. 1: 9) But how about God’s work. So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure. (Philip. 2: 12, 13) In these verses our obedience is attributed to God working in us both to will and to do.
The Apostle John tells us that those who do not love and keep His commandments do not know God. (1 John 4: 8; 2: 3- 5) The Apostle Paul writes that he who does not know God and does not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus awaits eternal destruction. (2 Thess. 1: 8, 9) There can be no doubt that we must love, keep His commandments and obey the gospel.
Jesus said that he, who believed the gospel and has been baptized, shall be saved. (Mark 16: 15, 16) Clearly those that are baptized have obeyed the gospel. We believe the gospel when we assent to the truth that Jesus--- died, was buried, and arose. We obey the gospel in baptism when we obey that for of teaching--- die, are buried, arise. (Rom. 6: 1-7, 17) Jesus is the source of eternal salvation to those that obey Him. (Heb. 5: 9)
Paul writes that in Christ the only meaningful thing is faith working through love, that is, faith obeying the truth through love. (Gal. 5: 6) James tells us that faith is perfected by works and we are justified by that perfected faith, not by faith alone. (James 2: 21- 24) What then are the works referred to by both Paul and James? Is it not the works of faith and the obedience of faith? (1 Thess. 1: 3; 2 Thess. 1: 11; Acts 6: 7; Ron. 1: 5) Works of faith are works of God because faith is a work of God. (John 6: 29) When we do the works of faith, we are not doing our own works; we are doing the works of God. God bless.
Works that we accomplish before and after we have been saved through faith can't save us, regardless of whether you label them our works or God's works.
Notice here that Paul said work "out" your salvation, not work for your salvation. Paul is talking about working out our ongoing sanctification, not working for justification. It is God who is at work in the believer, both to will and to work for His good pleasure BECAUSE we are saved, not to become saved.
John is giving a description of the lost here. They do not know God. Genuine believers know God (John 17:13) and the demonstrative evidence that they know God is that they love Him and keep His commandments (1 John 2:3-4). 1 John 4:19 - We love Him because He first loved us. Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Unbelievers do not know God (John 17:3) and they have not obeyed the gospel by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16). Trusting in works for salvation is refusing to believe the gospel. Sound familiar?
Believers "must" love and keep His commandments or DO love and keep His commandments? Believers have obeyed the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Love and keeping His commandments is not forced or legalistic for genuine believers.
Jesus said he who believes in Him is not condemned (John 3:18). Jesus did not say that whoever is not baptized will be condemned. Getting baptized is not obeying the gospel. The gospel is not baptized or condemned. Obeying the gospel is believing the gospel (Romans 10:16). Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes.. So in Mark 16:16, Jesus is discussing general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on baptism. So salvation rests on belief, as Jesus clearly stated in John 3:18.
Believing the gospel is more than simply believing "mental assent" that His death, burial and resurrection "happened." We must also trust exclusively in what happened (death, burial and resurrection of Christ) as the all sufficient means of our salvation. So simply believing that His death, burial and resurrection "happened" and "trusting in water and works for salvation" does not equate to believing the gospel. It equates to believing a "different" gospel that cannot save.
We get water baptized AFTER we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16; Acts 10:43-47; 11:17). Before they obeyed that form of teaching by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. 1 Peter 1:22, notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9, notice - "Purified their hearts by faith." Choosing to believe the gospel is "obeying the gospel," "obeying that form of teaching."
In regards to Hebrews 5:9, so who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? I've heard many works salvationists (such as yourself) use this verse to try and support salvation by works. Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by keeping His commandments and practicing righteousness (1 John 2:3; 3:9,10). In either sense, believers obey Him. Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith its impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so-called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to receive salvation based on their works. So in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him. You simply write a blank check with the word "obey" then fill in whatever amount of works that you wish in order to accommodate your "works based" false gospel.
Faith works through love because the love of God has been poured out in the hearts of believers by the Holy Spirit who was given to them (Romans 5:5).
Faith perfected by works does not mean that we are saved by works. Faith made perfect or complete by works means bring to maturity, carry to the end, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6. What James means by faith "alone" is an empty profession of faith that remains alone - barren of works, demonstrating that it's a dead faith that cannot save, not a living faith that saves and results in producing good works (Ephesians 2:5-10). Genuine believers show their faith by their works (James 2:18). Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9); yet genuine faith is evidenced/confirmed by works (James 2:14-24). So the word "alone" in regards to salvation through faith in "Christ alone" conveys the message that Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not on the merits of our works. It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony.* James chapter 2 continues to be a major stumbling block for you.
We are not saved by works in general, including works of faith/obedience that is produced out of faith. When are you going to figure this out? WE ARE NOT SAVED BY WORKS. PERIOD.
Show me where Paul gives us a list of works and calls them "works of God" and says that we are "saved by these works." I'm waiting...
Works produced out of faith are good works and we are saved FOR good works, NOT BY good works (Ephesians 2:10). You are completely mixed up. Your mixed up message of "not saved by our works" but "saved by God's works" is still SALVATION BY WORKS no matter how much you try to sugar coat it. What a mess! I will continue to pray for you and God bless.
Notice here that Paul said work "out" your salvation, not work for your salvation. Paul is talking about working out our ongoing sanctification, not working for justification. It is God who is at work in the believer, both to will and to work for His good pleasure BECAUSE we are saved, not to become saved.
John is giving a description of the lost here. They do not know God. Genuine believers know God (John 17:13) and the demonstrative evidence that they know God is that they love Him and keep His commandments (1 John 2:3-4). 1 John 4:19 - We love Him because He first loved us. Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Unbelievers do not know God (John 17:3) and they have not obeyed the gospel by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16). Trusting in works for salvation is refusing to believe the gospel. Sound familiar?
Believers "must" love and keep His commandments or DO love and keep His commandments? Believers have obeyed the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Love and keeping His commandments is not forced or legalistic for genuine believers.
Jesus said he who believes in Him is not condemned (John 3:18). Jesus did not say that whoever is not baptized will be condemned. Getting baptized is not obeying the gospel. The gospel is not baptized or condemned. Obeying the gospel is believing the gospel (Romans 10:16). Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes.. So in Mark 16:16, Jesus is discussing general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on baptism. So salvation rests on belief, as Jesus clearly stated in John 3:18.
Believing the gospel is more than simply believing "mental assent" that His death, burial and resurrection "happened." We must also trust exclusively in what happened (death, burial and resurrection of Christ) as the all sufficient means of our salvation. So simply believing that His death, burial and resurrection "happened" and "trusting in water and works for salvation" does not equate to believing the gospel. It equates to believing a "different" gospel that cannot save.
We get water baptized AFTER we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16; Acts 10:43-47; 11:17). Before they obeyed that form of teaching by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. 1 Peter 1:22, notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9, notice - "Purified their hearts by faith." Choosing to believe the gospel is "obeying the gospel," "obeying that form of teaching."
In regards to Hebrews 5:9, so who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? I've heard many works salvationists (such as yourself) use this verse to try and support salvation by works. Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by keeping His commandments and practicing righteousness (1 John 2:3; 3:9,10). In either sense, believers obey Him. Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith its impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so-called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to receive salvation based on their works. So in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him. You simply write a blank check with the word "obey" then fill in whatever amount of works that you wish in order to accommodate your "works based" false gospel.
Faith works through love because the love of God has been poured out in the hearts of believers by the Holy Spirit who was given to them (Romans 5:5).
Faith perfected by works does not mean that we are saved by works. Faith made perfect or complete by works means bring to maturity, carry to the end, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6. What James means by faith "alone" is an empty profession of faith that remains alone - barren of works, demonstrating that it's a dead faith that cannot save, not a living faith that saves and results in producing good works (Ephesians 2:5-10). Genuine believers show their faith by their works (James 2:18). Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9); yet genuine faith is evidenced/confirmed by works (James 2:14-24). So the word "alone" in regards to salvation through faith in "Christ alone" conveys the message that Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not on the merits of our works. It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony.* James chapter 2 continues to be a major stumbling block for you.
We are not saved by works in general, including works of faith/obedience that is produced out of faith. When are you going to figure this out? WE ARE NOT SAVED BY WORKS. PERIOD.
Show me where Paul gives us a list of works and calls them "works of God" and says that we are "saved by these works." I'm waiting...
Works produced out of faith are good works and we are saved FOR good works, NOT BY good works (Ephesians 2:10). You are completely mixed up. Your mixed up message of "not saved by our works" but "saved by God's works" is still SALVATION BY WORKS no matter how much you try to sugar coat it. What a mess! I will continue to pray for you and God bless.
The following is a list of Works that do lead to salvation.
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. (Mark 16: 15, 16)
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God [SUP][[/SUP][SUP]a[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (1 Pet. 3: 21)
And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. (Acts 2: 21)
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. (Romans 10: 9, 10)
But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. (Matt. 24: 13)
For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? (Rom. 8: 24)
Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. (James 1: 12)
And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation. (Heb. 5: 9)
For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. (2 Cor. 7: 10)
When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life. (Acts 11: 18)
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3: 5)
The negative side of salvation.
Dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power. (2 Thess. 1: 8, 9)
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: (1 John 2: 3-5)
The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. (1 John 4: 8)
But to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. (Rom. 2: 8)
Faith and Works
What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? (James 2: 14)
Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. (James 2: 17)
But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? (James 2: 20)
You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected. (James 2: 22)
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. (James 2: 24)
Eph. 2: 8, 9 v. 9 States that salvation is not of works that no one may boast. Does it mean works of any kind including baptism? No, because the Scriptures also tell us that baptism in conjunction with faith does save. (Matt. 16: 16) Then what kind of works don’t save? The Scriptures tell us that works of righteousness (Titus 3: 5) and works of the law do not save. (Gal. 2: 16)
Rom. 4: 2-5 v. 2 if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast. Those works would be works of righteousness. v. 3 Abraham believed and it was reckoned as righteousness v. v. 4 now to the one who works, his wage is reckoned as that which is due. Those would be works of righteousne v. 5 the one who does not work. That would be the one who does not do works of righteous. His faith is reckoned as righteousness. But Abraham did work. (John 8: 39) He did works of faith. By faith when he was called, he obeyed. (Hen 11: 8) By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise. (Heb. 11: 9) By faith Abraham, when tested, offered up Isaac. (Heb. 11: 17) These were all works of faith.
James 2: 21-24 v. 21 Abraham was justified by works when he offered up Isaac. These are works of faith. v. 22 Faith was working with his works (of faith), and as a result of these works of faith, his faith was perfected or complete. v. 23 the Scripture that states, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” was fulfilled when he offered up Isaac. God said at that time, “For now I know that you fear God.” (Gen 22: 12) v. 24 a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone. James did not deny that Abraham was justified by faith, but he did deny that Abraham was justified by faith alone
Since Abraham was justified by works of faith, IMO we are saved similarly saved by works of faith, when they, working with our faith, perfect faith. God bless.
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. (Mark 16: 15, 16)
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God [SUP][[/SUP][SUP]a[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (1 Pet. 3: 21)
And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. (Acts 2: 21)
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. (Romans 10: 9, 10)
But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. (Matt. 24: 13)
For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? (Rom. 8: 24)
Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. (James 1: 12)
And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation. (Heb. 5: 9)
For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. (2 Cor. 7: 10)
When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life. (Acts 11: 18)
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3: 5)
The negative side of salvation.
Dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power. (2 Thess. 1: 8, 9)
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: (1 John 2: 3-5)
The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. (1 John 4: 8)
But to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. (Rom. 2: 8)
Faith and Works
What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? (James 2: 14)
Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. (James 2: 17)
But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? (James 2: 20)
You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected. (James 2: 22)
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. (James 2: 24)
Eph. 2: 8, 9 v. 9 States that salvation is not of works that no one may boast. Does it mean works of any kind including baptism? No, because the Scriptures also tell us that baptism in conjunction with faith does save. (Matt. 16: 16) Then what kind of works don’t save? The Scriptures tell us that works of righteousness (Titus 3: 5) and works of the law do not save. (Gal. 2: 16)
Rom. 4: 2-5 v. 2 if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast. Those works would be works of righteousness. v. 3 Abraham believed and it was reckoned as righteousness v. v. 4 now to the one who works, his wage is reckoned as that which is due. Those would be works of righteousne v. 5 the one who does not work. That would be the one who does not do works of righteous. His faith is reckoned as righteousness. But Abraham did work. (John 8: 39) He did works of faith. By faith when he was called, he obeyed. (Hen 11: 8) By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise. (Heb. 11: 9) By faith Abraham, when tested, offered up Isaac. (Heb. 11: 17) These were all works of faith.
James 2: 21-24 v. 21 Abraham was justified by works when he offered up Isaac. These are works of faith. v. 22 Faith was working with his works (of faith), and as a result of these works of faith, his faith was perfected or complete. v. 23 the Scripture that states, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” was fulfilled when he offered up Isaac. God said at that time, “For now I know that you fear God.” (Gen 22: 12) v. 24 a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone. James did not deny that Abraham was justified by faith, but he did deny that Abraham was justified by faith alone
Since Abraham was justified by works of faith, IMO we are saved similarly saved by works of faith, when they, working with our faith, perfect faith. God bless.
V
The faith it takes comes through Christ, not us. We don't have faith built into us. It must be granted to us by God in His grace. That's what makes the gift so great!
Imagine finding your dream house but not having the down payment, so the seller just gives it to you -- not just the down payment: The house!And that's just a temporal shelter. Christ is our eternal shelter.
Imagine finding your dream house but not having the down payment, so the seller just gives it to you -- not just the down payment: The house!And that's just a temporal shelter. Christ is our eternal shelter.
K
John 15:2
Every branch in Me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
(15:6)
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them,and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Every branch in Me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
(15:6)
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them,and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
G
John 15:2~~Is the believer "In Him." It is the sin unto to death for that believer. God takes the believer home.
John 15:6~~Is an unbeliever " If anyone/a man" is not " In Him" they are sent to the LoF.
Many,Many people TRY to act like they are "in Him" but are not. They are very, very religious,praise Jesus,fill pews, work their butt off for Jesus..................but have never trusted in Christ ALONE for their salvation.(the fruit/doctrine of loss of salvation can give us a pretty good clue.)
Many,Many believers Don't act like they are in Him, but are.
Only God knows in the end.
John 15:6~~Is an unbeliever " If anyone/a man" is not " In Him" they are sent to the LoF.
Many,Many people TRY to act like they are "in Him" but are not. They are very, very religious,praise Jesus,fill pews, work their butt off for Jesus..................but have never trusted in Christ ALONE for their salvation.(the fruit/doctrine of loss of salvation can give us a pretty good clue.)
Many,Many believers Don't act like they are in Him, but are.
Only God knows in the end.
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John 15:2
Every branch in Me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
That part there I enlarged is not saying they are taken to heaven, this is speaking on the disobedient servant that Luke 12 also expands on. In Luke 12:46 Jesus says those who are in the faith that are disobedient when He comes He will cut them in two and appoint them with the unbelievers.
GOD looks at the heart but man looks at outward appearances so then James was talking about how your Faith if it is true will be seen physically by man.Man can't see the inside.
GOD doesn't need to see physical work.
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Romans 4:1-2
king James version(KJV)
1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath where of to glory; but not before God.
GOD doesn't need to see physical work.
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Romans 4:1-2
king James version(KJV)
1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath where of to glory; but not before God.
When the gospel was first preached as an accomplished fact, those who believed asked, "Brethren, what shall we do?" They were told to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins and they will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Those that received the word were baptized. The Lord added 3,000 souls to those that were being saved.
God bless.
God bless.
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You've been told time and time and yet time again, the word airo (airo) means "lifts up," not the egregious "takes away" as most modern translations, in imitation and tradition of the Douay-Reims and KJV, continue to incorrectly render it. The "lifting up" is a corrective action taken by the vinedresser who cares for the plants in a vineyard, the focus of Christ's analogy.
These branches have fallen down, because of a storm, or carelessness. The vinedresser cleans off the branch and gently ties it back into the trellis so it can flourish as part of the vine. The vinedresser who broke off a living but struggling vine and threw it away would be a fool who knows nothing about his vineyard. Christ is no fool, but I wonder about the one who thinks this would be how He treats His fallen branches.
You ignore good scholarship and refuse to correct your thinking despite the overwhelming evidence you are dead wrong. Your insistence on clinging to bad theology to justify an errant teaching calls into question your own salvation, since you reject the grace of God to preach the works of man for a self-preservation that is not possible.
These branches have fallen down, because of a storm, or carelessness. The vinedresser cleans off the branch and gently ties it back into the trellis so it can flourish as part of the vine. The vinedresser who broke off a living but struggling vine and threw it away would be a fool who knows nothing about his vineyard. Christ is no fool, but I wonder about the one who thinks this would be how He treats His fallen branches.
You ignore good scholarship and refuse to correct your thinking despite the overwhelming evidence you are dead wrong. Your insistence on clinging to bad theology to justify an errant teaching calls into question your own salvation, since you reject the grace of God to preach the works of man for a self-preservation that is not possible.
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In Acts 2:36-37, their "belief" at that point was merely "mental assent" that Jesus was the Messiah and that they were guilty of crucifying Him. That is not saving belief yet. They still needed to repent "change their minds" and believe in Him/believe the gospel by trusting in Christ's finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of their salvation (and so do you). People in the church of Christ seem to think that ALL belief is the same "except" for the lack of works and cannot grasp a DEEPER faith which trusts exclusively in Christ for salvation. This also explains why you have so much faith in "water and works."
In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. Acts 2:38 is a major stumbling block for the church of Christ and the Roman Catholic church and the Mormon church.
Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 10:43 - To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God (BEFORE WATER BAPTISM). 47 Then Peter answered, "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" *What happened to baptism in verse 43?
Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, (BEFORE WATER BAPTISM - compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) who was I that I could withstand God?" 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 15:8 - So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?
Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31). *Perfect Harmony*
Those that received his word (saved through repentance/faith - compare with Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18) were "afterwards" baptized.
Believers have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (Justification); believers are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing Sanctification); believers will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (Glorification). Acts 4:4 - However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand. *What happened to baptism? Acts 5:14 - And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women. *What happened to baptism?
In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. Acts 2:38 is a major stumbling block for the church of Christ and the Roman Catholic church and the Mormon church.
Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 10:43 - To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God (BEFORE WATER BAPTISM). 47 Then Peter answered, "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" *What happened to baptism in verse 43?
Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, (BEFORE WATER BAPTISM - compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) who was I that I could withstand God?" 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 15:8 - So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?
Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31). *Perfect Harmony*
Those that received his word (saved through repentance/faith - compare with Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18) were "afterwards" baptized.
Believers have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (Justification); believers are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing Sanctification); believers will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (Glorification). Acts 4:4 - However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand. *What happened to baptism? Acts 5:14 - And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women. *What happened to baptism?
All spiritual blessings are in our Lord Jesus Christ and in Him alone.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, (Eph. 1: 3) NASB
This includes the blessing of redemption, the forgiveness of sin.
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace. (Eph. 1: 7) NASB
In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. (Col. 1: 14) NASB
By faith (Acts 8; 37, 38; 2: 41) we are baptized into Christ. (Rom. 6: 3; Gal. 3: 26, 27; 1 Cor. 12: 13)
As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. (Acts 8: 36- 38) NASB
So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. (Acts 2: 41) NASB
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? (Rom. 6: 3) NASB
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. (Gal. 3: 26, 27) NASB
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. (1 Cor. 12: 13) NASB
Therefore, we conclude that redemption, the forgiveness of sin, takes place when we are baptized into Christ. God bless.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, (Eph. 1: 3) NASB
This includes the blessing of redemption, the forgiveness of sin.
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace. (Eph. 1: 7) NASB
In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. (Col. 1: 14) NASB
By faith (Acts 8; 37, 38; 2: 41) we are baptized into Christ. (Rom. 6: 3; Gal. 3: 26, 27; 1 Cor. 12: 13)
As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. (Acts 8: 36- 38) NASB
So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. (Acts 2: 41) NASB
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? (Rom. 6: 3) NASB
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. (Gal. 3: 26, 27) NASB
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. (1 Cor. 12: 13) NASB
Therefore, we conclude that redemption, the forgiveness of sin, takes place when we are baptized into Christ. God bless.
The Bible says that we are saved by grace through faith,and faith without works is dead
Which means we have to have works to have faith activated in our life,which when we have faith in our life,then grace is applied in our life.
But we are not saved by works,lest any man should boast,so it is obvious that these works are works of the Spirit,doing what God wants you to do.
When the Bible says that we are not saved by works,it means we are not saved by anything we do according to the flesh,like the Old Testament physical ordinances,or physical laws,or false religions,or living for Christ but doing works of the flesh.Anything we do according to the flesh,that is not of the Spirit will save us,or contribute to our salvation.
But after we are saved,we have to do works of the Spirit,doing what God wants us to do,like preaching the Gospel,or feeding the poor,things that are of love towards people,to have faith active in our life,therefore is not of ourself that we are saved,but by doing things that God wants us to do that we are saved.
We only have faith active in our life by doing the works of the Spirit,and if we deny doing works of the Spirit then faith cannot be active in our life,for we are denying what God wants us to do,but I cannot see where this can happen to someone that believes,for they will do something for the kingdom of God,although some might not do everything God wants them to do.,for it seems if we did everything that God wanted us to do,we would be busier living for the kingdom,although I cannot say all,but it seems like the majority.
Which means we have to have works to have faith activated in our life,which when we have faith in our life,then grace is applied in our life.
But we are not saved by works,lest any man should boast,so it is obvious that these works are works of the Spirit,doing what God wants you to do.
When the Bible says that we are not saved by works,it means we are not saved by anything we do according to the flesh,like the Old Testament physical ordinances,or physical laws,or false religions,or living for Christ but doing works of the flesh.Anything we do according to the flesh,that is not of the Spirit will save us,or contribute to our salvation.
But after we are saved,we have to do works of the Spirit,doing what God wants us to do,like preaching the Gospel,or feeding the poor,things that are of love towards people,to have faith active in our life,therefore is not of ourself that we are saved,but by doing things that God wants us to do that we are saved.
We only have faith active in our life by doing the works of the Spirit,and if we deny doing works of the Spirit then faith cannot be active in our life,for we are denying what God wants us to do,but I cannot see where this can happen to someone that believes,for they will do something for the kingdom of God,although some might not do everything God wants them to do.,for it seems if we did everything that God wanted us to do,we would be busier living for the kingdom,although I cannot say all,but it seems like the majority.