Faith without works is dead

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posthuman

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works without faith is pretty much lifeless too.

"The multitude of your sacrifices -- what are they to me?"
says the LORD.

(Isaiah 1:11)

on their own they don't even produce faith - or if they do, they produce faith in ourselves, which is utterly worthless.

but faith on the other hand, doesn't it produce works? if it lives :)
 
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GOD to man. salvation is by Grace through faith alone.

Faith without works is dead is talking about if the Faith is true you will do good works seen by men called living holy/sanctification.

GOD does not need to see physical works to know your intentions but if the Faith is true then it will be seen by men and man does need to see physical works so our father in heaven will be glorified.
 

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GOD to man. salvation is by Grace through faith alone.

Faith without works is dead is talking about if the Faith is true you will do good works seen by men called living holy/sanctification.

GOD does not need to see physical works to know your intentions but if the Faith is true then it will be seen by men and man does need to see physical works so our father in heaven will be glorified.
Agreed...If you believe in something your actions should/will convey that belief...if your actions do not convey that belief then do you really believe it?
 

mailmandan

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All spiritual blessings are in our Lord Jesus Christ and in Him alone.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, (Eph. 1: 3) NASB
This includes the blessing of redemption, the forgiveness of sin.
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace. (Eph. 1: 7) NASB
In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. (Col. 1: 14) NASB
By faith (Acts 8; 37, 38; 2: 41) we are baptized into Christ. (Rom. 6: 3; Gal. 3: 26, 27; 1 Cor. 12: 13)
As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. (Acts 8: 36- 38) NASB
So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. (Acts 2: 41) NASB
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? (Rom. 6: 3) NASB
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. (Gal. 3: 26, 27) NASB
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. (1 Cor. 12: 13) NASB
Therefore, we conclude that redemption, the forgiveness of sin, takes place when we are baptized into Christ. God bless.
Ephesians 2:5 - even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. Saved by grace through faith, NOT THROUGH WATER BAPTISM. Romans 3:24 - being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. NOT THROUGH WATER BAPTISM. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. NOT BY WATER BAPTISM.

We are saved by grace through faith, then AFTERWARDS WATER BAPTIZED. I see that you completely ignored post #24 in the "Born Again" thread. Go back and read it again. I explained to you that "baptized into Christ" in Galatians 3:27 does not mean water baptized into the body of Christ, just as "baptized into Moses" (1 Corinthians 10:2) does not mean that the Israelites were water baptized into the body of Moses either. As Greek scholar AT Robertson explains - Better, "were baptized unto Christ" in reference to Christ. Did put on Christ (Criston enedusasqe). First aorist middle indicative of enduw (-nw). As a badge or uniform of service like that of the soldier. This verb is common in the sense of putting on garments (literally and metaphorically as here). See further in Paul (Romans 13:14; Colossians 3:9; Ephesians 4:22-24; Ephesians 6:11; Ephesians 6:14). In 1 Thessalonians 5:8 Paul speaks of "putting on the breastplate of righteousness." He does not here mean that one enters into Christ and so is saved by means of baptism after the teaching of the mystery religions, but just the opposite. We are justified by faith in Christ, not by circumcision or by baptism. But baptism was the public profession and pledge, the soldier's sacramentum, oath of fealty to Christ, taking one's stand with Christ, the symbolic picture of the change wrought by faith already (Romans 6:4-6). A symbol is not the reality, but the picture of the reality, but you continue to confuse the picture with the reality. 1 Corinthians 12:13 refers to Spirit baptism, not water baptism. By one Spirit baptized into one body. You and your church are completely obsessed with water baptism, just as certain Jews were obsessed with circumcision (Acts 15:1). You stubbornly refuse to trust exclusively in Christ for salvation so you turn to supplements.

Acts 8:36 - Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, "See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?" 37 Then Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." (BELIEF CAME FIRST) And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Was Philip saved or still lost at this point? Read John 20:31 to find out - but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. Believing BEFORE water baptism, you may have life in His name. Also read 1 John 5:13. *Now you must be willing to ACCEPT the truth and your salvation does depend on it.

So then, those who had received his word (saved through repentance/believing) were AFTERWARDS baptized (Acts 2:41). Compare with (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18). Acts 4:4 - However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand. Acts 5:14 - And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women.

In regards to Romans 6:3-4, Greek scholar AT Robertson explains - Baptism is the public proclamation of one's inward spiritual relation to Christ attained before the baptism. See on "Galatians 3:27" where it is like putting on an outward garment or uniform. Into his death (ei ton qanaton autou). So here "unto his death," "in relation to his death," which relation Paul proceeds to explain by the symbolism of the ordinance. The picture in baptism points two ways, backwards to Christ's death and burial and to our death to sin, forward to Christ's resurrection from the dead and to our new life pledged by the coming out of the watery grave to walk on the other side of the baptismal grave. There is the further picture of our own resurrection from the grave. It is a tragedy that Paul's majestic picture here has been so blurred by controversy that some refuse to see it. It should be said also that a symbol is not the reality, but the picture of the reality.

As long as you continue to confuse the symbol with the reality, you will remain confused. You and the CoC incorrectly conclude that redemption, the forgiveness of sin takes place in the waters of baptism, yet redemption, the forgiveness of sin is signified, yet not procured in the waters of baptism. Redemption is through His blood (and not through plain ordinary H20) and the forgiveness of sin takes place when we BELIEVE before we are water baptized. Acts 10:43 - To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. *It's time for you to open your eyes. Romans 3:24 - being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Therefore, the Biblical conclusion is that redemption, the forgiveness of sin takes place when we BELIEVE IN HIM before we are water baptized. Continue to seek for the truth and God bless. I will continue to pray for you.
 
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Seems like people really believe that by following rituals of man that that GOD will accept them.

Common sense would tell a person that only GOD can clean the inside.
 

mailmandan

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Seems like people really believe that by following rituals of man that that GOD will accept them.

Common sense would tell a person that only GOD can clean the inside.
Amen! It's tragic that human pride will not allow these people to come to Christ. Their hands are full of their works and they will not let go in order to take hold of Christ through faith.
 

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Those who have died are freed from sin
For he who has died is freed from sin. (Rom. 6: 7) NASB
We have died to sin! Those who have been baptized into Christ have been baptized into His death. Our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin might be done away with.
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; (Rom. 6: 1- 6) NASB
Since our old self has died when we were baptized into Christ, we conclude that we are freed from sin when we are baptized. God bless.
 

plaintalk

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Are you suggesting that the one baptism is a ritual of man? Don't you know that the one baptism is one of the seven pillars of the unity of the Spirit? (Eph. 4: 3-6) Don't you know that water is one of the three witnesses? (1 John 5: 8) God bless.
 
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Are you suggesting that the one baptism is a ritual of man? Don't you know that the one baptism is one of the seven pillars of the unity of the Spirit? (Eph. 4: 3-6) Don't you know that water is one of the three witnesses? (1 John 5: 8) God bless.
I am saying the one baptism is spiritual.

Water baptism is physical.

Before you reply can you answer this question

Is water baptism physical and an action of obedience?
 

mailmandan

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Those who have died are freed from sin
For he who has died is freed from sin. (Rom. 6: 7) NASB
We have died to sin! Those who have been baptized into Christ have been baptized into His death. Our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin might be done away with.
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; (Rom. 6: 1- 6) NASB
Since our old self has died when we were baptized into Christ, we conclude that we are freed from sin when we are baptized. God bless.
You have completely ignored post #44 and you also continue to confuse the reality (Spirit baptism) with the picture of the reality (water baptism). Water baptism pictures a person being buried with Christ (submersion under water) and being raised to new life with Christ (emergence from water). This symbolizes the person's union with, and incorporation into Christ by the action of the Holy Spirit which previously took when we believed/placed faith in Him for salvation (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17; 15:8,9).

Water baptism is an outward, physical symbol of the inward, spiritual conversion of Christians. The allusion is to the SYMBOLISM of baptism which was the OUTWARD SIGN of the separation. Water baptism as a picture of death, burial and resurrection symbolizes our likeness to Christ in his death and resurrection. One is the picture or likeness of the other. Water baptism is not the reality but only a picture of the reality. Are you ready to repent and believe the gospel plain talk?
 

plaintalk

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IMO the one spiritual rebirth is of water and the Spirit. (John 3: 3-5) We must be born of both water and the Spirit. Isn't that what the Scriptures say? Wasn't Jesus both baptized in water and anointed with the Holy Spirit? Yes, the water is physical; yes, by faith we obey and we are baptized into Christ and at that time He sprinkles us with the blood of Christ cleansing our conscience. (1 Peter 1: 2) When we do so, our faith is perfected, and deemed acceptable by God. Which was the one baptism that Cornelius experienced? He was baptized with the Spirit and with water in the name of Christ. Don't the Scriptures tell us all, Jew and Gentile, as many as God shall call to Himself, that when we repent and are baptized in water, in the name of Christ, for the forgiveness of sin that Jesus will pour forth the gift of the Holy Spirit upon us. (Acts 2; 38, 39) Wasn't Cornelius baptized with the Spirit when he received the gift of the Holy Spirit? (Acts 11: 18) Please take the Scriptures for what thy say, not what some agenda may dictate. God bless.
 
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IMO the one spiritual rebirth is of water and the Spirit. (John 3: 3-5) We must be born of both water and the Spirit. Isn't that what the Scriptures say? Wasn't Jesus both baptized in water and anointed with the Holy Spirit? Yes, the water is physical; yes, by faith we obey and we are baptized into Christ and at that time He sprinkles us with the blood of Christ cleansing our conscience. (1 Peter 1: 2) When we do so, our faith is perfected, and deemed acceptable by God. Which was the one baptism that Cornelius experienced? He was baptized with the Spirit and with water in the name of Christ. Don't the Scriptures tell us all, Jew and Gentile, as many as God shall call to Himself, that when we repent and are baptized in water, in the name of Christ, for the forgiveness of sin that Jesus will pour forth the gift of the Holy Spirit upon us. (Acts 2; 38, 39) Wasn't Cornelius baptized with the Spirit when he received the gift of the Holy Spirit? (Acts 11: 18) Please take the Scriptures for what thy say, not what some agenda may dictate. God bless.
There is physical baptism which does not clean the inside but it is an obedient action.

Then there is baptism of the spirit which cleans the inside and GOD does this.
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Romans 4:1-2
king James version(KJV)

1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2.)
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath where of to glory; but not before God.
 

mailmandan

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IMO the one spiritual rebirth is of water and the Spirit. (John 3: 3-5) We must be born of both water and the Spirit. Isn't that what the Scriptures say?
Yes, and the Scriptures also say: John 4:10 - If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water. John 4:14 - but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. John 7:37 - If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 - He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit.. (source of living water). *Plain ordinary H20 has no power to cause spiritual cleansing and is not the source of becoming born again. 1 Corinthians 12:13 - ..drink into one Spirit. *You are looking to the wrong water for spiritual cleansing.

Don't the Scriptures tell us all, Jew and Gentile, as many as God shall call to Himself, that when we repent and are baptized in water, in the name of Christ, for the forgiveness of sin that Jesus will pour forth the gift of the Holy Spirit upon us. (Acts 2; 38, 39)
Only according to your biased interpretation. You are unable to see anything beyond your CoC indoctrination. For the umpteenth time, in Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical.

Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 10:43 - To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) had been poured out on the Gentiles also (BEFORE WATER BAPTISM). 47 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God -(spiritual gift that is only for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12). Then Peter answered, "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" *What happened to baptism in verse 43?

Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, (BEFORE WATER BAPTISM - compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) who was I that I could withstand God?" 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 15:8 - So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?

Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31). *Perfect Harmony*

Wasn't Cornelius baptized with the Spirit when he received the gift of the Holy Spirit? (Acts 11: 18)
Yes, he received the gift of the Holy Spirit and was baptized by ONE SPIRIT into one body (Spirit baptism) when he believed on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 11:17) BEFORE WATER BAPTISM (Acts 10:43-47). *It doesn't get any clearer than this.

Please take the Scriptures for what thy say, not what some agenda may dictate.
That statement is the epitome of irony. :rolleyes: Who do you think you are fooling with your CoC agenda?
 

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COMING TO JESUS
Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you shall find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My load is light. (Matthew 11: 28-30) NASB
We can read Jesus kind invitation, but the question remains, “How do we come to Jesus?” We are admonished, “work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.” (Philip. 2: 12, 13) Clearly then some type of response is required of us; we are not dealing with a monergistic system as proposed by some, in which God alone works, but we find ourselves in a synergistic system in which God is working within us both to will and to do. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to convict the world, not just the elect, of sin, righteousness and judgment. Having been convicted of being a sinner and being spiritually dead to God; and that Jesus is the righteous One, the only one who can redeem us; and that God has appointed a day of judgment; the only sensible course is to come to Jesus. But before we over congratulate ourselves on such a wise decision, we need to remember Jesus words, No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him.” (John 6: 44) and “if I be lifted up from the earth will draw all men to Myself.” (John 12: 32) What is this drawing power? Is it not the love of God which He demonstrated when He gave Jesus to taste death for everyone? We are not dealing with an irresistible grace posited by some, but an active, powerful love, sufficient to draw those who would come. God bless.
 

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Coming To Faith
And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. (Heb. 11: 6)
Faith is our connection to the grace of God, by which we are saved, (Rom. 5: 2) but it is not the end-all, nor is it the greatest value a Christian can possess. Faith without love is empty and meaningless (1 Cor. 13: 2) and faith without works (of faith) is dead and useless. (James 2: 17, 20) Love is the summun bonum. (1 Cor. 13: 13) Faith requires obedience to be complete. (James 2: 22)
How do we come to faith? There are several truths that we need to keep in mind as we explore this question. Faith is a work of God. (John 6: 29) Faith is a gift of God. (Rom. 12: 3) Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of Christ. (Rom. 10: 17) Paradoxically, faith is also a response of the heart of man. (Rom. 10: 10) God does not believe for us, but He can and does open the heart of the humble.
When we come to Jesus, the first requirement is that we deny ourselves. (Matt. 16: 24) We must empty and humble ourselves even as our Lord emptied and humbled Himself. (Philip. 2: 6- 8) Why? Because God gives grace to the humble but He resists the proud. (1 Pet. 5: 5) He will open our hearts to respond to the gospel in faith and love and obedience, just as he opened the heart of Lydia. (Acts 16: 14, 15)
When we receive Jesus by believing in His name we are begotten by God (John 1: 12, 13); the word, the seed, is implanted in our heart (James 1: 21) and we are given the right to become children of God. We are not a child of God at this time, just as the natural child is not considered a child at his conception. We will talk about becoming a child of God in our next segment.
Some say in response to Heb. 5: 9 that we believe or come to faith through obedience. Of course they are trying to escape the dilemma this verse has for the “faith only” perspective. At first blush this may seem to be true but upon further consideration it fails. IMO we come to faith by assenting to the truth of the word. We receive the word by agreeing to its truth. There is no personal merit for believing the truth, that is only what we should do. Of course there is great benefit to those who do believe. God bless.
 
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@ plaintalk

In order for baptism in water to be necessary with spiritual baptism John 3:16 must fit in with any other scripture that is used because scripture will harmonize with scripture and in John 3:16 I only see that believing in the WORD OF GOD is all that is necessary.

Either you believe the bible or you may as well say

"I'm not going to let the bible get in the way of what I believe"
 

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@ seed_time_harvest
If entering the kingdom of God is important to you, then being born of both water and the Spirit will also be important. Jesus said that we must be born of both. (John 3: 5)
John 3: 16 does not say "Believing in the word is all that is necessary." That is your understanding. We must go a little further if we are to come to a correct understanding. What is the status of faith without love? (1 Cor. 13: 2) What is the status of faith without works (of faith)? (James 2: 17, 20, 26) Clearly, John 3: 16 is speaking of a "perfected" faith, a complete faith, a saving faith, as it results in eternal life. IMO this faith includes both love and obedience. God bless.
 

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Becoming A Child Of God
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, [SUP]13 [/SUP]who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1: 12, 13) IMO we do not become a child of God when we are begotten by God, but we are on the right path as he gives us the right to become a child of God.
In the natural realm there are two ways to become a child in a family, natural birth or adoption. (Gal. 4: 5; Eph. 1: 5) These same two processes are referred to in the Scriptures.
Spiritual birth- [SUP] 3 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” [SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3: 3-5)
Adoption- [SUP]26 [/SUP]For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. (Gal. 3: 26, 27)
Surprisingly these two approaches involve the same process. When, by faith, we are baptized in water in the name of Christ for the forgiveness of sin, Jesus pours out the Holy Spirit upon us richly and abundantly, immersing us in the Spirit. As we come forth from this baptismal experience we are born again, children of God. We are purified, identified with Christ, die to self, buried and rose with Him. We are regenerated by the Spirit, given a new life in Christ and made to drink of the one Spirit.
The adoption process also includes being baptized in water in the name of Christ. By faith we are baptized in water into Christ; in so doing we are clothed with Christ; that is, we are imputed with the attributes of Christ; these include life, righteousness and sonship. Thus we are adopted by God, as children of God. The Holy Spirit begins the renewal process, giving us a new heart and mind to bring our day by day walk into conformity with the attributes He imputes to us. God bless.
 
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Unfollowing thread -- I have some "works" to do...

PM me if you need anything. :D
 
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@ seed_time_harvest
If entering the kingdom of God is important to you, then being born of both water and the Spirit will also be important. Jesus said that we must be born of both. (John 3: 5)
John 3: 16 does not say "Believing in the word is all that is necessary." That is your understanding. We must go a little further if we are to come to a correct understanding. What is the status of faith without love? (1 Cor. 13: 2) What is the status of faith without works (of faith)? (James 2: 17, 20, 26) Clearly, John 3: 16 is speaking of a "perfected" faith, a complete faith, a saving faith, as it results in eternal life. IMO this faith includes both love and obedience. God bless.
Would you be in agreement with me if I said if you have to be born naturally a man/woman in this world in the flesh before you even qualify to be reborn in the spirit since GOD gave dominion of this world to man?

This is what being born of water means