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Have you read Gal 2:16 where it says "faith OF Christ", or do you change the wording to read "faith IN Christ", as eternally-grateful did? Faith of Christ, is Christ's faith. Faith in Christ is man's faith. If man gets credit for his own justification, then where is grace (a free gift without man's help)?
A
ya put me down with EG...Jesus told us to have faith in God. Since ive seen a bit of your doctrine already
it cant be so hard for you to see since Jesus is the author and finisher of "our" faith...which is given with
grace(divine enablement) there is no credit due us.
Even like when Jesus said when we do all we are commanded to do consider ourselves unworthy servants
doing what we ought to do. Especially since He supplies all the grace to accomplish it.
We overcome the world by "our faith" which we were given which works by Love which the Holyspirit
sheds abroad in our hearts. Its all a gift of grace. But we have to receive it. As many as received it He gave power to become sons of God.
Forest this thread will cause me to restudy some things...many threads do. But as it stands i see faith as
a command and that would be an effort on our part to do. but would i call it a meritorious effort? at
this point id say no since i cant do it unaided by God. Man hasnt any faith unless its supplied to him...and
that is supplied to all men, along with the grace to receive it. If that is whats meant in "faith of Christ" than
im fine with it.
it cant be so hard for you to see since Jesus is the author and finisher of "our" faith...which is given with
grace(divine enablement) there is no credit due us.
Even like when Jesus said when we do all we are commanded to do consider ourselves unworthy servants
doing what we ought to do. Especially since He supplies all the grace to accomplish it.
We overcome the world by "our faith" which we were given which works by Love which the Holyspirit
sheds abroad in our hearts. Its all a gift of grace. But we have to receive it. As many as received it He gave power to become sons of God.
Forest this thread will cause me to restudy some things...many threads do. But as it stands i see faith as
a command and that would be an effort on our part to do. but would i call it a meritorious effort? at
this point id say no since i cant do it unaided by God. Man hasnt any faith unless its supplied to him...and
that is supplied to all men, along with the grace to receive it. If that is whats meant in "faith of Christ" than
im fine with it.
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We were all but natural men at one time and the natural man has a natural faith, such as for examle "I have faith that I can fix my car that needs repairing". The natural man cannot have a spiritual faith until he is born of the Spirit,1 Cor 2:14. Our spiritual faith is not the cause of our eternal salvation, however, it does bring us many timely salvations (deliverances).
J
Simply by reading my bible whenever I can, thinking hard & deeply about the passage I am reading. Some passages are long; others short. But the more often I get the opportunity to do this, the greater this continuous crescendo of understanding, faith & total harmony with my God's word fills my heart, lungs, chest - every part of me.
My spiritual feelings/sensations (Can't think of another description) comes simply from the place in which I am pouring over His word. My home town Abbey has, within it, a number of small chapels. As well as praising my God in the Abbey itself I love to sit, read & think in St Wilfrid's Chapel - a small crypt holding only 12 seats but perfct for quiet thought & contemplation.
As my work bounces me all over Europe I often face the task of finding somewhere to read my Bible & so have prayed & spoken with my God in chapels in hospitals, airports, other churches, a prison - even football stadiums. It's not the venue that's important but what I do in there.
My spiritual feelings/sensations (Can't think of another description) comes simply from the place in which I am pouring over His word. My home town Abbey has, within it, a number of small chapels. As well as praising my God in the Abbey itself I love to sit, read & think in St Wilfrid's Chapel - a small crypt holding only 12 seats but perfct for quiet thought & contemplation.
As my work bounces me all over Europe I often face the task of finding somewhere to read my Bible & so have prayed & spoken with my God in chapels in hospitals, airports, other churches, a prison - even football stadiums. It's not the venue that's important but what I do in there.
Romans 10:8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;Romans 10:17So then FAITH [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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Christ, by him justifing us by his faith in being a sacrifice for the sins of those that God gave him, Then we became Holy and without blame. Christ did not and will not ever have trust in our fleshly nature and even though we are born again we still carry the baggage of our fleshly nature, thus, the warfare that Paul tells us about. Christ trusted in his ability to carry out his Fathers will John 6:39.
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Faith, that you already have if you are born again of the Spirit, which faith is a fruit of, that faith will grow and increase in knowledge as you hear the word. 1 Pet 2:2, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby. In 1 Cor 2:14 the natural man is not yet born of the Spirit and cannot have a spiritual faith. Spiritual things are foolishness unto him. The natural will not, and indeed can not, hear the word but as foolishness.
Actually the definition of the word faith in the Greek is:
pis'-tis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
A primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty): - agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.
So I wonder who's doing the persuading, and the convincing?
pis'-tis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
A primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty): - agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.
So I wonder who's doing the persuading, and the convincing?