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How are we born again without the Spirit?

Born from above, born of the Spirit.

What is born of Flesh is Flesh, What is born of the Spirit is Spirit.
 
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#62
How are we born again without the Spirit?

Born from above, born of the Spirit.

What is born of Flesh is Flesh, What is born of the Spirit is Spirit.
We receive the Holy Spirit when we are born again John 3:8. We are not born again without the Spirit.
 
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#63
God did not deal the natural man a measure of faith, because the natural man cannot descern spiritual things, like serving a spiritual God.1 Coe 2:14.
You are changing the text it says God has given to every man a measure of faith. Those who exercise faith it will grow, those who don't it will die. When people will be judges as the Bible says every one will be judged, then people will have no excuse. If God does not give to all people faith and mercy and an opportunity then people will have an excuse and it will be God's fault they are lost.
 
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You are changing the text it says God has given to every man a measure of faith. Those who exercise faith it will grow, those who don't it will die. When people will be judges as the Bible says every one will be judged, then people will have no excuse. If God does not give to all people faith and mercy and an opportunity then people will have an excuse and it will be God's fault they are lost.
Amen. Just as it says in romans 1. They understand they are rightfully judged. they just don't care. They will have NO excuse, because they got the message which they COULD have had faith in, but rejected it.
 
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We receive the Holy Spirit when we are born again John 3:8. We are not born again without the Spirit.
We are also not born again until we are justified (declared innocent) and this is only by faith. until then we are dead in sin, Still guilty. The HS can not enter a person who is dead in sin.
 
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You are changing the text it says God has given to every man a measure of faith. Those who exercise faith it will grow, those who don't it will die. When people will be judges as the Bible says every one will be judged, then people will have no excuse. If God does not give to all people faith and mercy and an opportunity then people will have an excuse and it will be God's fault they are lost.
All scripture must harmonise to have the truth. The "all men" are all of God's elect only.
 
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Should read this:-
As we live here in this world all of God's elect are being judged as they live here in this world by the chastening rod of God, but the non-elect will not be judged here in this world but they will be judged at the last day.
 
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Amen. Just as it says in romans 1. They understand they are rightfully judged. they just don't care. They will have NO excuse, because they got the message which they COULD have had faith in, but rejected it.
Death is a seperation. All of the bible is written to God's elect to instruct them how they are to live their, lives while upon this earth. Romans 1 starts off with a salutation to all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints. God has wrath for those of his elect that turn away from him and he chastens them. God does not chasten those that are not his elect (Ps 73:5 & Job 21:9.) These people he is condeming in Rom 1 are his disobedient children, and they have seperated themselves from fellowship with God, but they have not lost their eternal salvation. All scripture must harmonise to understand the truth.
 
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We are also not born again until we are justified (declared innocent) and this is only by faith. until then we are dead in sin, Still guilty. The HS can not enter a person who is dead in sin.
Your statement is true except for one thing. We are not justified by our faith, but by Christ's faith Gal 2:16. Man can not justify himself for eternal life.
 
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Forest

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Know better than paul? Who was trying to show it is not OUR works. But OUR faith and belief??

by the way, in the origional text. niether of or in is in greek, it is added by men. get it??
To act upon faith and belief is a work of man. Webester's dictionary says "Work, in theology, is a moral act distinguished from faith. Our eternal salvation is not by the work of man, but by the grace of God. If our faith and belief is the cause of our eternal salvation, then we are saved by the works of man, and that idea will not harmonise with the other scriptures. All scripture must harmonise to understand the truth.
 
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All scripture must harmonise to have the truth. The "all men" are all of God's elect only.
You change scripture to fit your doctrine. You should not do that, Forest.
 
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Death is a seperation.
Death is not a "seperation". Death is death.

All of the bible is written to God's elect to instruct them how they are to live their, lives while upon this earth. Romans 1 starts off with a salutation to all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints. God has wrath for those of his elect that turn away from him and he chastens them. God does not chasten those that are not his elect (Ps 73:5 & Job 21:9.) These people he is condeming in Rom 1 are his disobedient children, and they have seperated themselves from fellowship with God, but they have not lost their eternal salvation. All scripture must harmonise to understand the truth.
You do not understand God, Forest, if you believe He condemned people to destruction before the foundation of the world.
 
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Your statement is true except for one thing. We are not justified by our faith, but by Christ's faith Gal 2:16. Man can not justify himself for eternal life.
Yes. Man does not justify himself. He is justified when he chooses to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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To act upon faith and belief is a work of man. Webester's dictionary says "Work, in theology, is a moral act distinguished from faith. Our eternal salvation is not by the work of man, but by the grace of God. If our faith and belief is the cause of our eternal salvation, then we are saved by the works of man, and that idea will not harmonise with the other scriptures. All scripture must harmonise to understand the truth.
You twist scripture to fit your chosen doctrine of Calvinism, Forest. You do not understand the truth.
 
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It is impossible for fallen man to choose God,
There is no desire to know Him, God must draw (drag) him.

So you can think that you chose to believe but without God dragging
you to Him, you would not, and could not believe.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
 
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It is impossible for fallen man to choose God,
There is no desire to know Him, God must draw (drag) him.

So you can think that you chose to believe but without God dragging
you to Him, you would not, and could not believe.

Joh 3:19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
God is drawing all men. He wants all men to be saved. But because we have free will, not all will choose to believe.
 
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Death is not a "seperation". Death is death.


You do not understand God, Forest, if you believe He condemned people to destruction before the foundation of the world.
Shroom, you don't believe in Thayer's, now you don't believe in Webester's dictionary, I have seen that you do believe in other men's false interpretation of the scriptures. Webester's difinition of death in theology is a seperation or alienation of the soul from God, which is called a spiritual death.
 
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You change scripture to fit your doctrine. You should not do that, Forest.
All scripture must harmonise before you can understand the truth, yours do not.
 
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So what your saying is that God is helpless to save man,
And mans will is stronger than God's,
And the Devil will win, because if I remember right the devil
takes captive at his (free will ) so......

Wow what a powerless God you serve.
There is no such thing as free will Shroom.

But I suppose you need to hold on to that to make you feel
superior.