FAITH

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Forest

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I will never understand this false logic they have.

How could we feel superior?

superiority comes based on accomplishment, or great deed.

Our salvation is based on the fact we sat still, did nothing, admitted defeat and guilt, and we are rightly judged, and allowed God to come pull us out of the water because we could not save ourselves. we were totally helpless, and came to the throne of grace and asked for gods gift. How can this give anyone superiority complex. if anything, it would give shame.
If you think that God wants to save all mankind, then you are making God a lier by his own admission in Dan 4:35, Eph 1:11, God works all things after the counsel of his own will, if he wills that all mankind be saved, they will be saved, or you make him a lier.
 
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wow, don't think you can even blame Calvin for that statement and its definitely NOT in the Bible.

wow, just wow...
Look at Paul's life before the road event. Paul sat at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God. Acts 23:1, And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day. Does this sound like Paul fit the description of the natural man in 1 Cor 2:14? Or those in Eph 2:2-3? Most people, even today, mistakingly think their conversion is their new birth.
 
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You may believe something or think that you do but when what you believe in is tested that is when you find out if it is true faith.
Faith is something you have to fight for. When new believers come to the Lord and their life seams to turn upside down. They don’t always understand what is happening. That this is an attack from Satan. He does not want to see you turn your life over to God. This is when you need to step out in your faith and use your authority in Jesus name and through is blood. Remember to believe what you read in the Bible and then to apply it to your life. Speak out loud you faith what promise you are standing on. There is a verse in the Bible that says I believe and therefore I spoke2 Corinthians 4:13 Do not let fear or embarrassment stop you

Faith is what it takes to move GOD. There are many promises in the Bible, but they are not exercised by every Christian. We must follow through on the requirements to claim that promise. Then claim that promise through faith in GOD’s word. If there is something you want to believe GOD for . Read about the faith of others in your Bible. How did they handle waiting for the promise. Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. The great people of faith in the Bible had to wrestle with doubt. Abraham called Sarah his sister for fear of death. Sara laughed with she heard she would have a child in her old age. They overcame their doubt and so can you.

When in doubt pick up the word and read about people of faith. That will give you spiritual strength. Faith is not just in your mind you have to let it flow into your heart. Look at many of the stories in the Bible the people not only spoke their faith. They moved in their faith in what Jesus said. In the Bible stories they are either moving to get close to Jesus or they are moving to do what Jesus has told them. Either way their faith is in action. Without faith it is impossible to please GOD. Remember when Jesus went to his home town. He could do few miracles because of their unbelief.
After a man is born again his faith plays a big part in his life and brings him many timely salvations, but man's faith is not the cause of his eternal salvation.
 

pickles

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I havnt read all the posts here, but setting aside the debates. :)
We know that man by faith, is given salvation in Jesus Christ through grace, God's gift!
Not by anything man does, lest he take pride in it!
One wonders sometimes as to why any person thinks anything is done of self, when one must acknowladge that everything, from breath to death, from the beginning to the last day, is by the hand of God.
For everything we are and know is created by the word of God!
One must see that all we recieve and know, is given by God Our Father in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
Before us is fire and water, we choose.
Life or death.
For God gives no streangth for sin.
But provides all needed to His children.
By faith, we are sealed unto Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
By refusal, death.
It seems to me faith is about saying yes to all that God Our Father gives in Jesus , through His Holy Spirit.
Thus all is given, because when we say yes through faith, we are called by faith to recieve His salvation, His rightousness, His will, His work done in us.
We are sealed in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, and recieve all in Jesus.
For everything is of God, in Jesus.
For when all is His creation, who are we to claim anything, except that all is Gods gift in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!

God bless
pickles
 
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Abiding

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how do you spell ......backspace....nevermind.
What redster and pickels said :)
 
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Forest

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so where the rest of the worlds. No one is judged for sin at the great white throne judgment, They are judged on their supposed good deeds (works) and found guilty. Not of sin, of unbelief.

On can not be found guilty of chosing to not believe if never given the opportunity.
I believe that all men have a free will to make choices in this life, but the natural man will not choose to serve a spiritual God because he cannot descern spiritual things, they are foolishness unto him 1 Cor 2:14. Christ did not dei for the sins of all mankind, only those that God gave him.
 
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wow this is a real nutty thread. Forest i dont think you will find much agreement
after what i read. We are saved by Christs faith???? Who cooked that one up?
Paul cooked that up! Gal 2:16 We are justified by faith "OF" Christ, not "IN" Christ.
 
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I believe that all men have a free will to make choices in this life, but the natural man will not choose to serve a spiritual God because he cannot descern spiritual things, they are foolishness unto him 1 Cor 2:14. Christ did not dei for the sins of all mankind, only those that God gave him.

so they have free will, but can not chose to use it because they are prevented by God to understand.

wow, you can have your God.
 
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so they have free will, but can not chose to use it because they are prevented by God to understand.

wow, you can have your God.
Thats what most of the people in Christ's days said also, about his doctrine. The elect have eyes to see and ears to hear, but those who do not have the Spirit do not see or hear. Rom 8:9, Those that have not the Spirit are none of mine.
 
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I believe that all men have a free will to make choices in this life, but the natural man will not choose to serve a spiritual God because he cannot descern spiritual things, they are foolishness unto him 1 Cor 2:14. Christ did not dei for the sins of all mankind, only those that God gave him.
Sounds like some others who had posted here once a upon a time (VW).
 

lil_christian

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Thats what most of the people in Christ's days said also, about his doctrine. The elect have eyes to see and ears to hear, but those who do not have the Spirit do not see or hear. Rom 8:9, Those that have not the Spirit are none of mine.
Have you forgotten??

HE who has EARS, LET HIM HEAR!!!

Matthew 11:15
He who has ears to hear, let him hear

Matthew 13:43
Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Mark 4:9
And He was saying, “ He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

It's all over the Bible...God wants people to hear the Good News and accept it. He does NOT take pleasure in people going to hell.
 
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Have you forgotten??

HE who has EARS, LET HIM HEAR!!!

Matthew 11:15
He who has ears to hear, let him hear

Matthew 13:43
Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Mark 4:9
And He was saying, “ He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

It's all over the Bible...God wants people to hear the Good News and accept it. He does NOT take pleasure in people going to hell.
Exactly right, LC.
 

lil_christian

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Mar 14, 2010
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I havnt read all the posts here, but setting aside the debates. :)
We know that man by faith, is given salvation in Jesus Christ through grace, God's gift!
Not by anything man does, lest he take pride in it!
One wonders sometimes as to why any person thinks anything is done of self, when one must acknowladge that everything, from breath to death, from the beginning to the last day, is by the hand of God.
For everything we are and know is created by the word of God!
One must see that all we recieve and know, is given by God Our Father in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
Before us is fire and water, we choose.
Life or death.
For God gives no streangth for sin.
But provides all needed to His children.
By faith, we are sealed unto Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
By refusal, death.
It seems to me faith is about saying yes to all that God Our Father gives in Jesus , through His Holy Spirit.
Thus all is given, because when we say yes through faith, we are called by faith to recieve His salvation, His rightousness, His will, His work done in us.
We are sealed in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, and recieve all in Jesus.
For everything is of God, in Jesus.
For when all is His creation, who are we to claim anything, except that all is Gods gift in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!

God bless
pickles
Amen :)

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Forest

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Have you forgotten??

HE who has EARS, LET HIM HEAR!!!

Matthew 11:15
He who has ears to hear, let him hear

Matthew 13:43
Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Mark 4:9
And He was saying, “ He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

It's all over the Bible...God wants people to hear the Good News and accept it. He does NOT take pleasure in people going to hell.
The natural man (1 Cor 2:14) cannot have ears and eyes to understand spiritual things until God interviens by quickening him to a spriitual life Eph 2:1-5>