I think I'll continue on since I have so little resistance.
Skinski - Black RickShafer - Red
Fallacy 3: God Transferred Jesus Righteousness and Obedience to you when you believed by faith......
(We shall see)
No where in the Scriptures does it actually say that the righteousness of Christ is transferred to you by passive faith(notice the qualifier - 'passive'........no where in scripture does the term 'passive faith' occur either) – only by conjecture can this be proven. On the contrary, the Bible does say “he who DOES what is right is righteous” (1 Jn. 3:7) and that “the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself” (Ezk. 3:20).(Notice he reverts to the O.T. to prove his point) Virtue, like vice is NON- transferable since they both originate with the will. Therefore, the idea of Jesus swapping moral track records with those who trust in the provision is mythical.Here, the author equates Jesus with fallen man. No one ever taught this in early times, instead, they taught one was made righteous by obeying the teachings of Christ by freewill. Nothing was “positional” or “forensic” (that is ALL Reformed terminology, which traces back to Augustine – NOT the Early Christians!). Well.... let's prove his claim with scripture, shall we? "And hath raised us up together, and made us SIT together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus"- Ephesians 2:6. Does that sound volitional? Did we make ourselves sit together in heavenly places by our right doing? Or was it God who MADE us sit,(rest)? If one were justified, then they were also sanctified.How very Calvinistic of you, because that is what he claimed(according to I Cor. 1:30), because he said one couldn't have 'part' of Christ. Yet today, because the majority embrace Augustinian exegesis on original sin, they separate justification and sanctification and hold to some sort of Covenantal Representational theory (Reformed doctrine).Again, I will go back to scripture, but this time a different one - "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me" - Psalms 51:5.The author of this thread would say, 'No original sin there, just a prophet/king being conceived......etc.,etc.' What this has birthed is the Carnal Christian idea among many other errors. People are told that through mere belief,(through MERE belief, like that very belief is not a gift from God, but some disingenuous 'effort' on the part of luciferian man! God transfers the obedience and righteousness of Christ to their account, thereby making them positionally righteous in His sight and Eternally Secure by a moment of faith (the trick here is to understand that the sin NATURE remains in tact after regeneration, which means, the saved will continue to sin daily in thought, word and deed without any more condemnation!).He says 'Aauugghh'!!! (See how he presupposes that any 'faith' is just from the soul of unregenerate man and therefore will yield the coldest of hearts and the dirtiest of reprobates? See how the author regards faith? As almost a dirty thing that is cajoled up out of the heart of lost mankind as man's substitute for 'Godly' righteousness? How he doesn't know that faith itself is a gift from God is beyond me. - (Read any part of the Pauline epistles to see where the Apostle Paul said faith originates from, there are over 140 references to faith.....I assure you it's not from the heart of man. One must now rest in this arrangement (which they will IF they are truly elect, but won’t if they are not, which would prove they were NEVER saved to begin with!) At the core of this teaching is a Representation Theory. The idea here is that Adam’s guilt and sinful nature are transmitted to his offspring through natural reproduction.Wrong again, it is through a fallen spirit(dead spirit, serving the deceiver) (Concupiscence is the proof of this.) Thus, all men and women are BORN sinners, that is, with concupiscence – no exceptions (except for Jesus!). (How you build on sand!)Since man comes into the world in this Totally Depraved condition, he is now wholly incapable of obeying God! So under this teaching Christ now appears as the Believers Representative (rather than example!). Every iota of His life is NOT carried out for His servants to learn from and FOLLOW, instead, His human existence was simply accomplished in order to achieve what no man could (being born a SINNER) before He came: Righteousness! !!!!SEE THIS!!!!(Keep in mind there are more than plenty examples of persons who were FOUND righteous before the advent of Christ which is WHY this teaching is a fallacy when broken down!)!!!!DID YOU SEE THAT?!!! Who was righteous? Who do you say could break the seventh seal? Again, who was completely without sin? Need I go on?! To sum it all up, by the believer “trusting” that Jesus obeyed for them and was righteous so they don’t have to be,Again, who said anything about 'have to be', the believer wouldn't even let this thought enter into their mind. The Holy Spirit changes their nature. they are no longer obligated to do anything since it has already been done in advance! Thus, to be a DOER of the word is now to show contempt towards the finished work of Christ and to ultimately fall from grace (which of course they will have to say you were never a partaker of to begin with, or they have to admit salvation is conditional!)
What a complete load of heretical rubbish!
Skinski said:
Every iota of His life is NOT carried out for His servants to learn from and FOLLOW(which is Skinski's claim for the reason Jesus came), instead, His human existence was simply accomplished in order to achieve what no man could (being born a SINNER) before He came: Righteousness! !!!!SEE THIS!!!!(Keep in mind there are more than plenty examples of persons who were FOUND righteous before the advent of Christ which is WHY this teaching is a fallacy when broken down!)!!!!DID YOU SEE THAT?!!
