Fallacies of the Present Day Church
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I know you weren't addressing me Abiding, and can give you a bit of light on the subject, OK, I thought I got saved about 15 years ago, said the Billy Graham sinners prayer many times, got saved as a vile porn addict, taking this addiction of about 30 years into the kingdom with me, the pastors and elders patted me on the head, told me I was saved, and Jesus took my wrath on the cross.
He forgave all my sins, past, present and future, no questions asked, because my penalty for being a porn addict and alcoholic, was paid for on the cross.
OK, here is your error, NO they didn't just go away with a prayer! This is what the apostate church teaches, confess, admit, trust its all been done, sin isn't good, but not the issue!
This is the lie from the pit, zillions of churches teach this saved in sin, penal sub message,.
Now the way to purity comes with a price, it isn't a done deal by just reciting a simple prayer, admitting you are a sinner, then trusting Jesus took your penalty, this is the lie, you must come broken before the mercy seat of God in repentance, no prayer will save you, only a broken and contrite heart, as with the prodigal.
The flesh must be crucified with Christ in repentance, and the repentance must be real and from the heart, proven by your deeds, doesnt save you, but cleanses you and purges you to receive the mercy of God.
The church told me I was on my way to heaven IN MY PORN, repentance wasn't necessary, Jesus did that for me on the cross!
I thank the few who had the love and courage to preach the truth to me, which was to repent or perish!
The surgeon’s knife!
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
ἐκκόπτω
ekkoptō
ek-kop'-to
From G1537 and G2875; to exscind; figuratively to frustrate: - cut down (off, out), hew down, hinder.
Coming from a medical background I can appreciate what Jesus meant when He said to cut it out, pluck it out, and cast it away!
When someone is diagnosed with a type of deadly cancer, tumor, growth, cyst, or any other physical disease that must be removed, it’s easy to seek help from the best surgeon who can do his best work at cutting out this disease implanted in your body.
I believe this can be well used to describe the sick condition of the church today, where many are convinced they are healthy on the inside, meaning no cancers, growths, cysts, or anything that needs to be excised by the precise hand of a qualified surgeon. But due to their wrong choices, false teachings and unwilling to repent, they fail to see that their sin that has so ensnared them is much worse than any physical ailment will ever be!
But the master made in very clear, that the sin must be cut off, right at the root, and put to death through repentance as He commanded, He made it clear what would happen IF the sins were not excised from the heart, cut out at the roots so it would not grow back.
The wages of sin is death, BUT the gift of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ, who came to set the captives free, once and for all, asking all to repent, cut and cast the sin away with the strength of the great surgeon, who gives us all we need to bow to His throne casting away our sins that kept us in bondage!
Jesus will not do it for you, and He didn’t take your place on the surgeons table to become sin for you, He specifically commanded you to cut if off, pluck it out, and put it to death through repentance and faith proven by deeds.
The sin stops and is cut out, excised, and put to death in repentance,
Isa 1:16 Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes; cease to do evil;
We have our part to do in this process leading to purity, and God has His, as we come to Him purged, and cleared from sin and disobedience that once infested our mortal bodies, waiting to be cut out at the root, and put to death!
So when the false teachers tell you sin is a part of you, or is a substance inbred into you, and a disease handed down to you from Adam, and you just can never stop sinning, or even need to stop sinning to be saved or stay saved, remember the words of the master, who made it perfectly clear what WE in our own free will and ability MUST DO:
“Pluck it out, cut it off, and cast it from thee”!
This clearly defines what a qualified surgeon will do to remove cancer, and also clearly defines what we must do to inherit eternal life!
Tommy
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Tommy, sorry you had a bad go of it many of us did also. But we dont go angry
tearing up timeless truths to justify our failure. You had a bible all along right?
So the excuse cant be on the church. You couldnt have spent years at church
not reading what the Lord said...did you? if so that alone explains things.
Also the brokenness your talking about is a work of God on your heart. And Him only.
It is not what we do before coming to God.
I agree anyone who teaches the work on the cross isnt followed with the mortification
of the flesh are poor shepherds to the flock if they are shepherds at all. But if your
saying the Lord didnt take you through this and that it was just a few folks who woke
you up and caused you to a brokenness without the Lord conducting it...i just wont
believe it. And neither should you.
Im seeing your experience different than you. Im seeing a deliverance conducted
by the Lord and empowered by the Lord with your volition, but now you rekon it was
your own doing. Or at least it sounds like what your saying. Experiencially it may feel
that way. But theologically it wont float.
A total unregenerate can stop porn watching...ive seen addicts of all kind break
their habits and never give a rip about the Lord. Im not saying thats you but im saying
there must be more than turning from obvious sins to enter heaven. And because of that
your hope and trust better be on the Promises of God to sanctify you...because holyness
is far more than you can see. Without Him we can do nothing.
C
hmm..whats a blind mouse? me?
Please understand that the ONLY thing I am saying to you is that you are not seeing her saying this to you. And I mean nothing else by it.
M
I LIKE this post Red33.
Somebody stops watching porn.
Oh well then.. they're IN.
No idea how deeply wicked the heart is, and how MUCH GRACE is needed.
Suffering, scorn, a thorny crown, a tearing out of the beard, silence in the face of the shearers...for WHAT?
To bear the sin of mankind and suffer the wrath of God as a SUBSTITUTE, so He might be both JUST and the JUSTIFIER of the ungodly.
Oh No! The Almight could NEVER in His wisdom come up with a plan like THAT!
That means He could free sinners while satisfying His righteous wrath on SIN. Making the Innocent pay for the guilty? NEVER!
SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN
Which some no longer have.
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. - 1 John 1:8
REFUTE IT PHARISEES.
You'll find a way, for there is nothing but pride and guile in you.
9And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: 10“Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11“The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12‘I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’ 13“But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ 14“I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.” - Luke 18
Somebody stops watching porn.
Oh well then.. they're IN.
No idea how deeply wicked the heart is, and how MUCH GRACE is needed.
Suffering, scorn, a thorny crown, a tearing out of the beard, silence in the face of the shearers...for WHAT?
To bear the sin of mankind and suffer the wrath of God as a SUBSTITUTE, so He might be both JUST and the JUSTIFIER of the ungodly.
Oh No! The Almight could NEVER in His wisdom come up with a plan like THAT!
That means He could free sinners while satisfying His righteous wrath on SIN. Making the Innocent pay for the guilty? NEVER!
SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN SIN
Which some no longer have.
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. - 1 John 1:8
REFUTE IT PHARISEES.
You'll find a way, for there is nothing but pride and guile in you.
9And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: 10“Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11“The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12‘I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’ 13“But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ 14“I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.” - Luke 18
C
No i seen and heard and understood her.
She has a love for the truth that i respect.
I just rubbed dirt on the cut. Im good as new.
She has a love for the truth that i respect.
I just rubbed dirt on the cut. Im good as new.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
All these sins will disqualify you from the kingdom.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
You call me wicked because I teach that the porn addict must forsake his porn before He will be forgiven. The covetous man must forsake his covetousness also.
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
You call me wicked because I teach that the porn addict must forsake his porn before He will be forgiven. The covetous man must forsake his covetousness also.
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.