Falling away from the Faith (it's possible)
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The problem with the above statement is if you rebel and sin against God you
demonstrate you do not know Him and are not His beloved child.
God declares himself that He loves, protects His children who obey His commands.
To know Him is to obey.
It seems such a small step to say, you can be in rebellion far from the Lord but because
you hold the magic ticked everything will be ok.
God goes out of His way to declare His people stay faithful to Him, and if you wonder away
He will invite you back with open arms, but you have to actually return and not stay far off.
What is being preached here is the next stage, come back because you are still saved, that
is how much He loves you, let this love melt your heart, because it does not matter, you will
be in His Kingdom whether you want it or not, because you made a commitment some time ago
and He holds you accountable to this commitment above anything else you do or will do or want
to do. He even holds you higher than Lucifer who saw God face to face and still fell.
Now this is such junk, illogical, it is literally a cognitive dissonance belief.
You are part of a loving free will King who desire you choose Him, and because you chose Him at
some point in the past He will force you into the Kingdom now. It is simply not true, and there is no
scripture that supports such an idea, because only the totally insecure and those with such weak
faith need this guarantee to trust God, or else they would believe they are lost.
demonstrate you do not know Him and are not His beloved child.
God declares himself that He loves, protects His children who obey His commands.
To know Him is to obey.
It seems such a small step to say, you can be in rebellion far from the Lord but because
you hold the magic ticked everything will be ok.
God goes out of His way to declare His people stay faithful to Him, and if you wonder away
He will invite you back with open arms, but you have to actually return and not stay far off.
What is being preached here is the next stage, come back because you are still saved, that
is how much He loves you, let this love melt your heart, because it does not matter, you will
be in His Kingdom whether you want it or not, because you made a commitment some time ago
and He holds you accountable to this commitment above anything else you do or will do or want
to do. He even holds you higher than Lucifer who saw God face to face and still fell.
Now this is such junk, illogical, it is literally a cognitive dissonance belief.
You are part of a loving free will King who desire you choose Him, and because you chose Him at
some point in the past He will force you into the Kingdom now. It is simply not true, and there is no
scripture that supports such an idea, because only the totally insecure and those with such weak
faith need this guarantee to trust God, or else they would believe they are lost.
Wrong, try again.
Romans 9
[SUP]22 [/SUP]What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, [SUP]24 [/SUP]even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Romans 9
[SUP]22 [/SUP]What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, [SUP]24 [/SUP]even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Dis-belief
A whole group appear to think to believe God will reject them if they are not one with Him,
is to reject God, are going to find the very lack of understanding of the nature of sin, death,
love and salvation will leave them outside if they continue in sin.
If despite their unusual convictions find the Holy Spirit flowing through them in a righteous walk,
Amen.
A whole group appear to think to believe God will reject them if they are not one with Him,
is to reject God, are going to find the very lack of understanding of the nature of sin, death,
love and salvation will leave them outside if they continue in sin.
If despite their unusual convictions find the Holy Spirit flowing through them in a righteous walk,
Amen.
The sky is blue...
We are either a son/daughter of God or not. There is no "working " to become a child. We are born that way.
The son does remain forever in the house.
John 8:35-36 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
Once we are in Christ - we become sons/daughters of God.
Galatians 3:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 4:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.
1 John 3:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
I encourage us to start to believe in the gospel of the grace of Christ. It is "good news".
If we see ourselves as children of God we will walk as children of our Father and our true nature in our new creation will transform our minds to reflect that nature outwardly in our behavior powered by the Spirit of God inside of us.
We are either a son/daughter of God or not. There is no "working " to become a child. We are born that way.
The son does remain forever in the house.
John 8:35-36 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
Once we are in Christ - we become sons/daughters of God.
Galatians 3:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 4:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.
1 John 3:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
I encourage us to start to believe in the gospel of the grace of Christ. It is "good news".
If we see ourselves as children of God we will walk as children of our Father and our true nature in our new creation will transform our minds to reflect that nature outwardly in our behavior powered by the Spirit of God inside of us.
Reject Christ and they will be in for destruction when they enter into God's presence.
Romans 5:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
I encourage you to ask the Lord about His true gospel of the grace of God in Christ. Then you will start to preach the true gospel and help se people free to walk in who they are in Christ instead of this false doctrine that our loving Father sends His beloved children to hell.
Romans 5:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
I encourage you to ask the Lord about His true gospel of the grace of God in Christ. Then you will start to preach the true gospel and help se people free to walk in who they are in Christ instead of this false doctrine that our loving Father sends His beloved children to hell.
Complete nonsense and it is being deceitful to what I am saying. In your own religion this would send you to hell. Thank God for the real gospel.
But this gives me a chance to preach the gospel and repentance to actually "believe" in Christ.
The word "repentance" - metanoia as been shown by others simply in the original greek means " to change the mind - " change the way we are thinking".
To us it means to change our mind to stop relying on ourselves and our thinking and turn to God. Stop living our own life with our own thinking and come to Christ and let His life live through and in you. Receive all that Jesus did for us in His finished work.
We should be repenting ( changing how we think towards something ) constantly as we see the Lord's true nature, love and grace revealed to and in us.
There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.
The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having an exchanged heart because we are a new creation in Christ.
This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.
I think we will be "repenting" throughout eternity as we see new aspects of our Lord Jesus. Praise the Lord! I love repenting. It's a major blessing from our Lord!
Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
That sounds like "hyper repenting" to me....let's all start promoting "hyper repenting" for the body of Christ!.....
Complete nonsense and it is being deceitful to what I am saying. In your own religion this would send you to hell. Thank God for the real gospel.
But this gives me a chance to preach the gospel and repentance to actually "believe" in Christ.
The word "repentance" - metanoia as been shown by others simply in the original greek means " to change the mind - " change the way we are thinking".
To us it means to change our mind to stop relying on ourselves and our thinking and turn to God. Stop living our own life with our own thinking and come to Christ and let His life live through and in you. Receive all that Jesus did for us in His finished work.
We should be repenting ( changing how we think towards something ) constantly as we see the Lord's true nature, love and grace revealed to and in us.
There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.
The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having an exchanged heart because we are a new creation in Christ.
This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.
I think we will be "repenting" throughout eternity as we see new aspects of our Lord Jesus. Praise the Lord! I love repenting. It's a major blessing from our Lord!
Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
That sounds like "hyper repenting" to me....let's all start promoting "hyper repenting" for the body of Christ!.....
But this gives me a chance to preach the gospel and repentance to actually "believe" in Christ.
The word "repentance" - metanoia as been shown by others simply in the original greek means " to change the mind - " change the way we are thinking".
To us it means to change our mind to stop relying on ourselves and our thinking and turn to God. Stop living our own life with our own thinking and come to Christ and let His life live through and in you. Receive all that Jesus did for us in His finished work.
We should be repenting ( changing how we think towards something ) constantly as we see the Lord's true nature, love and grace revealed to and in us.
There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.
The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having an exchanged heart because we are a new creation in Christ.
This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.
I think we will be "repenting" throughout eternity as we see new aspects of our Lord Jesus. Praise the Lord! I love repenting. It's a major blessing from our Lord!
Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
That sounds like "hyper repenting" to me....let's all start promoting "hyper repenting" for the body of Christ!.....
In order to rightly divide the word of truth we need to look at scripture and "filter it" through the finished work of Christ on the cross and resurrection.
If not we can come up with all kinds of doctrines that bring a mess to our minds and that go against the abundance of very clear scriptures of our complete salvation in Christ Himself and it is all based on Him. We can trust Him. He is not a liar.
The book of Hebrews addresses Israel and the Jewish people ( of whom there are both Jews believing in the Messiah and some that heard the message of the Messiah but have not believed yet ) in the transitional time when the temple was still in operation before it was destroyed in 70AD.
Audience relevance is paramount in determining the interpretation of a passage.
If not we can come up with all kinds of doctrines that bring a mess to our minds and that go against the abundance of very clear scriptures of our complete salvation in Christ Himself and it is all based on Him. We can trust Him. He is not a liar.
The book of Hebrews addresses Israel and the Jewish people ( of whom there are both Jews believing in the Messiah and some that heard the message of the Messiah but have not believed yet ) in the transitional time when the temple was still in operation before it was destroyed in 70AD.
Audience relevance is paramount in determining the interpretation of a passage.
Complete nonsense and it is being deceitful to what I am saying. In your own religion this would send you to hell. Thank God for the real gospel.
But this gives me a chance to preach the gospel and repentance to actually "believe" in Christ.
The word "repentance" - metanoia as been shown by others simply in the original greek means " to change the mind - " change the way we are thinking".
To us it means to change our mind to stop relying on ourselves and our thinking and turn to God. Stop living our own life with our own thinking and come to Christ and let His life live through and in you. Receive all that Jesus did for us in His finished work.
We should be repenting ( changing how we think towards something ) constantly as we see the Lord's true nature, love and grace revealed to and in us.
There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.
The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having an exchanged heart because we are a new creation in Christ.
This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.
I think we will be "repenting" throughout eternity as we see new aspects of our Lord Jesus. Praise the Lord! I love repenting. It's a major blessing from our Lord!
Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
That sounds like "hyper repenting" to me....let's all start promoting "hyper repenting" for the body of Christ!.....
But this gives me a chance to preach the gospel and repentance to actually "believe" in Christ.
The word "repentance" - metanoia as been shown by others simply in the original greek means " to change the mind - " change the way we are thinking".
To us it means to change our mind to stop relying on ourselves and our thinking and turn to God. Stop living our own life with our own thinking and come to Christ and let His life live through and in you. Receive all that Jesus did for us in His finished work.
We should be repenting ( changing how we think towards something ) constantly as we see the Lord's true nature, love and grace revealed to and in us.
There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.
The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having an exchanged heart because we are a new creation in Christ.
This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.
I think we will be "repenting" throughout eternity as we see new aspects of our Lord Jesus. Praise the Lord! I love repenting. It's a major blessing from our Lord!
Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
That sounds like "hyper repenting" to me....let's all start promoting "hyper repenting" for the body of Christ!.....
I've had discussions with Campbellites who reverse the scriptural order of repentance and belief/faith. To the contrary we find:
Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Mark 1:15 - Repent and believe the gospel.
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
I've heard Campbellites say that the faith/belief of Christians and the faith/belief of demons is no different "expect for the lack of good works." They cannot grasp a "deeper" faith which trusts exclusively in Christ for salvation and also explains why they have so much faith in water baptism and other works for salvation. Faith is more than mere mental assent belief and repentance is not merely self moral reformation, so you can see where certain works salvationists can get confused about repentance.
Certain people also misunderstand the term "repentance" to mean "completely stop sinning." That is not the Biblical definition of repentance. In the Bible, the word "repent" means to "change your mind." The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions. Acts 26:20 declares, "I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds."
This is the fruit of repentance (Matthew 3:8), not the essence of repentance (change of mind). I have heard certain people say, "If you want to be saved, repent of your sins, turn from your sins." Yet if turning from your sins means to stop sinning, then people can only be saved if they stop sinning. And it is unlikely that anyone will be saved, since we don't know anyone who has ever "completely" stopped sinning (1 John 1:8).
It's an oxymoron for someone to say that they believe the gospel but they never repented or they truly repented but they don't believe the gospel.
So, in your deceit - you think you are qualified for eternal life- right? What makes your sin so much less a sin then any other work of the flesh? This is also called hypocrisy.
1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
God no more send His baby Christians to hell then He will send you to hell for doing what you do.
Preach Christ and Him crucified and that we too are crucified with Him and we will have the proper nutrients to grow up in Him and we will walk by the spirit and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
Then we can grow up in Him and manifest His love and grace to a hurt and dying world that needs to see our loving Father and Lord Jesus Christ for who they truly are.
This will free the homosexual as well as those that are deceitful and live in hypocrisy.
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I've never heard Grace777X70 say that "practicing" homosexuals will be granted access to eternal life. To practice this lifestyle equates to continuous action, no repentance, just bring it on, which is not descriptive of a genuine believer (Galatians 5:19-21; 1 John 3:9). Such people are described as the unrighteous (1 Corinthians 6:9).
This is what I believe about the works of the flesh which bring destruction of some sort to us while in this earth. 1 Cor. 6:9-10 is talking about "identities" as contrasted by 1 Cor. 6:11. There are the righteous who have Christ in them by faith and the unrighteous who are not have Christ in them.
Christians caught in the deception of the Homosexual lifestyle are deceived just like those that live in deceit and malice and hypocrisy. They are all living by the flesh. They are all in the same lists together.
God will discipline all of us "legitimate children" that are living contrary to the life of Christ whether we are deceived by immorality or any other work of the flesh.
Here is a perfect example of a guy that was brought up in the religion that the OP preaches - then was deceived by the homosexual lifestyle - then Jesus Himself showed him the true gospel of the grace and love of God for him.
He then got free of living the homosexual lifestyle. God disciplines ( which means in the Greek - child-training ) us with the word.
[video=youtube;lsI4hhm_J2A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsI4hhm_J2A[/video]
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Those described as the unrighteous who "practice" (continuous action, no repentance, just bring it on) homosexuality do not get free of living the homosexual lifestyle. This man got free of living the homosexual lifestyle, which means he does not practice that sin. 1 Corinthians 6:11 - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Grace777x70 was not saying that homosexuals do not need repentance, but I do disagree with the poster if she believes we will be repenting for all eternity as we come to know the Lord that way. Once we come face to face with the Lord Jesus Christ, we shall know all things.
As for the weight of scripture, any saved believer found in iniquity when the Bridegroom comes are at risk of being excommunicated from the Marriage Supper at the pre trib rapture event when God judges His House first wherein those unrepentant believers that get let behind shall be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House.
The weight of scripture does testify to saints in iniquity being denied having that place in the city of God where the vessels unto honor shall be liken unto angels that shall never die, and never marry. BUT
The vessels unto dishonor in their resurrected state are not the same as the vessels unto honor. The power of the second death shall not be over those vessels unto dishonor in His House and they shall serve the King of kings during the milleniel reign of Christ as priests all over the world, having the city of God on their forehead in representing Him from New Jerusalem. That means to govern anything for the Lord, they have to be like bishops in managing their own house by examples, and thus they will be given in marriage.
So like the prodigal son that gave up his first inheritance for wild living, they will lose that eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth like Esau over his birthright, but God will perform a miracle by wiping the tears from their eyes to help them get passed that loss.
The weight of scripture are these; the purpose of excommunication:
1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,[SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
That mirrors literally how God will judge His House first at the pre trib rapture event.
God will judge each believer by what has been built on that foundation in that DAY when He judges His House first.
1 Corinthians 3:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.[SUP]14 [/SUP]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.[SUP]15 [/SUP]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
This confirms 1 Corinthians 5:5 as the destruction of the flesh which is physical death is how that spirit will be saved in the day of Christ Jesus.
We see this as a warning to one of the church which is Thyatira in Revelation;
Revelation 2:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
The wages of sin is death and no saved believer should be living in or practicing religious iniquity that denies Him when He comes.
So you are half right, because saved believers will still have an inheritance, but it will not be the same as the Christ fruitfruits, and nobody should want second best as there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for the Father shall chasten every child He receives ( Hebrews 12th chapter ) for a season, so saved believers better not refuse the call to repentance by looking to Jesus Christ to deliver them from evil works so that sin shall not have dominion over their lives any more before the Bridegroom comes or else stripes will be coming as they shall face the coming fire on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation as a result but Jesus is faithful and He shall keep the souls of those left behind saints & new believers that shall suffer the great tribulation.
So you best reconsider how you are judging other believers because they are still His for that foundation can never be removed and that would be a work denying Him in them, even in former saved believers.
Your course of action is to exhort them to go to Jesus for help to discern & depart from the iniquity of homosexuality and all other iniquity, because the rationalization of the world and the compromising church will make them never consider taking it to Jesus for discernment as well as leaning on Him to destroy the works of the devil in their lives so they can repent.
It has been prophesied that the falling away from the faith will occur ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 ) and yet Jesus shall lose none of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39-40 ) which is why God is judging His House first at the pre trib rapture event to excommunicate those not abiding in Him to restore them to the path of righteousness for His name's sake BECAUSE He is the Good Shepherd as well as their Saviour.
Every believer needs to trust Jesus as their Good Shepherd and to place all their hopes on Him to abide in Him as well as helping them to be willing & ready to leave their loved ones behind and the cares of this life behind for the King's Supper Luke 14:15-33 .
Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP]34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP]35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
By His grace & by His help, this is my prayer for myself as well as it should be for all saved believers in these latter days where faith is hard to find if any truly desire to escape what is coming on the earth. Luke 12:40-49 That is the weight of scripture towards the saved believers to be ready or else miss out of that eternal glory that comes with our salvation at the pre trib rapture event; 2 Timothy 2:10-13 & 2 Timothy 2:18-21 on how former believers are still saved but yet still called to go to the Lord for help in seeing the lies for what they are that turned them away from Him to repent ( Hebrews 4:12-16 ) as it is our job to lead all believers to do ( 2 Timothy 2:24-26 ).
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
As for the weight of scripture, any saved believer found in iniquity when the Bridegroom comes are at risk of being excommunicated from the Marriage Supper at the pre trib rapture event when God judges His House first wherein those unrepentant believers that get let behind shall be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House.
The weight of scripture does testify to saints in iniquity being denied having that place in the city of God where the vessels unto honor shall be liken unto angels that shall never die, and never marry. BUT
The vessels unto dishonor in their resurrected state are not the same as the vessels unto honor. The power of the second death shall not be over those vessels unto dishonor in His House and they shall serve the King of kings during the milleniel reign of Christ as priests all over the world, having the city of God on their forehead in representing Him from New Jerusalem. That means to govern anything for the Lord, they have to be like bishops in managing their own house by examples, and thus they will be given in marriage.
So like the prodigal son that gave up his first inheritance for wild living, they will lose that eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth like Esau over his birthright, but God will perform a miracle by wiping the tears from their eyes to help them get passed that loss.
The weight of scripture are these; the purpose of excommunication:
1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,[SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
That mirrors literally how God will judge His House first at the pre trib rapture event.
God will judge each believer by what has been built on that foundation in that DAY when He judges His House first.
1 Corinthians 3:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.[SUP]14 [/SUP]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.[SUP]15 [/SUP]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
This confirms 1 Corinthians 5:5 as the destruction of the flesh which is physical death is how that spirit will be saved in the day of Christ Jesus.
We see this as a warning to one of the church which is Thyatira in Revelation;
Revelation 2:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
The wages of sin is death and no saved believer should be living in or practicing religious iniquity that denies Him when He comes.
So you are half right, because saved believers will still have an inheritance, but it will not be the same as the Christ fruitfruits, and nobody should want second best as there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for the Father shall chasten every child He receives ( Hebrews 12th chapter ) for a season, so saved believers better not refuse the call to repentance by looking to Jesus Christ to deliver them from evil works so that sin shall not have dominion over their lives any more before the Bridegroom comes or else stripes will be coming as they shall face the coming fire on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation as a result but Jesus is faithful and He shall keep the souls of those left behind saints & new believers that shall suffer the great tribulation.
So you best reconsider how you are judging other believers because they are still His for that foundation can never be removed and that would be a work denying Him in them, even in former saved believers.
Your course of action is to exhort them to go to Jesus for help to discern & depart from the iniquity of homosexuality and all other iniquity, because the rationalization of the world and the compromising church will make them never consider taking it to Jesus for discernment as well as leaning on Him to destroy the works of the devil in their lives so they can repent.
It has been prophesied that the falling away from the faith will occur ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 ) and yet Jesus shall lose none of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39-40 ) which is why God is judging His House first at the pre trib rapture event to excommunicate those not abiding in Him to restore them to the path of righteousness for His name's sake BECAUSE He is the Good Shepherd as well as their Saviour.
Every believer needs to trust Jesus as their Good Shepherd and to place all their hopes on Him to abide in Him as well as helping them to be willing & ready to leave their loved ones behind and the cares of this life behind for the King's Supper Luke 14:15-33 .
Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP]34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP]35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
By His grace & by His help, this is my prayer for myself as well as it should be for all saved believers in these latter days where faith is hard to find if any truly desire to escape what is coming on the earth. Luke 12:40-49 That is the weight of scripture towards the saved believers to be ready or else miss out of that eternal glory that comes with our salvation at the pre trib rapture event; 2 Timothy 2:10-13 & 2 Timothy 2:18-21 on how former believers are still saved but yet still called to go to the Lord for help in seeing the lies for what they are that turned them away from Him to repent ( Hebrews 4:12-16 ) as it is our job to lead all believers to do ( 2 Timothy 2:24-26 ).
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.