Falling back slain in the spirit?
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Yes, He can. And He can work through indignity as well. Remember Michal's response to David when he danced before the Lord with most of his clothing removed. Sometimes the person's sense of "dignity" is the very thing standing between that person and God's purposes in his or her life.
I would encourage you to try to find support in Scripture for your position.
I would encourage you to try to find support in Scripture for your position.
What would it have to do with the tongues doctrine as far as the faithless Jews ... mocking the word of God prophecy and therefore as a sign against them he mocks them bringing his revelations in multiple languages as tongues, and not Hebrew alone which they would not hear and believe God by to begin with And yet they refused to hear and believe God and said; we rather will do whatsoever our own mouths say and saw no evil in doing so, we will not hear the word of the Lord (Jerimiah 44)
How do you reconcile the two different responses. Michal's response to David and God's response to those who make His prophecy to no effect by the oral traditions of the fathers?
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Nothing was ever mentioned pertaining to the farmer being unconscious the entire time. But from his viewpoint, he was more than convinced this was the end for him. The farmer said, (after he he was conscious again) he asked the man if he drove the tractor. This is why the farmer was so puzzled, because the man claimed he did. And then added that he never been around farm equipment before.
We got the impression things happened quickly. Too quickly for the farmer to resonate himself enough to ask the common question like, how did you operate the tractor if you never been around one.
The information concerning the kill switch and being left in gear (was something the farmer added to his testimony, based upon, when he got back into the tractor later on and discovered what he believed actually took place).
And from the wife's perspective, the farmer was still on the ground sitting up when she drove past to enter the drive way. So, it would appear the farmer did not have much time to think about much of anything, because the wife arrived and then hurried over to both of them.
And I suppose, nothing says the angel actually had to literally drive the tractor. Nothing says the angel actually jumped the fence (could have walked through it or just flew to where the farmer was)(nothing says the angel had to actually be walking by when the accident occurred)(nothing says the angel had to literally perform cpr). Although this is what was told, does not mean that is actually what happened. Clearly the angel would be revealed for what he was, eventually, but nothing in the Bible claims angels must/have to let us know who they are upfront and right away.
To the farmer and his wife, it's rather obvious they did not figure it out immediately. And evidently, nothing seemed odd right away or registered as odd until the man vanished. And then, it seems it still did not register until after looking for him.
From what I have read in scripture pertaining to when others are entertaining angels, it seems they don't have a clue until after the angel leaves. Seems to be the M/O and trait of the angel.
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Listen, I am not discrediting what your point is that you are making, nor am I arguing your scripture references. One thing however in that scenario is for certain, and that is, Yeshua knew before hand what Peter would say on the account of proclaiming Yeshua as the Messiah, and the rebuke. Yeshua could have avoided at that moment telling them what was about to take place. But He did tell them for the purpose of Peter's response and then the lesson He taught Peter. Every example, word spoken, action committed, deed done by Yeshua, was a teaching point to either His Disciples, those He preached to, those He healed, those He fed, the Pharisees, and ultimately to You, those in this forum, those who believe and do not believe, and myself included. So I can definitely see the purpose for what Christ did, to better prepare Peter, for the work he would eventually have to do. His task was assigned to the Jews. Same people who killed Yeshua. So the lessons Peter learned from Yeshua, were taught with a purpose in mind. Just like we are taught through the scriptures and by the Holy Spirit within us.
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What was happening with David was indeed different. What was happening with Michal is very similar. She was observing, and she thought that David was acting in an undignified way. You are observing and thinking that people are acting in an undignified way.
That is a burden of proof reversal. You introduced the concept, so you find the evidence against it.
That is a burden of proof reversal. You introduced the concept, so you find the evidence against it.
Flopping around like gasping fish after being knocked over from a slap on the forehead, jerking, twitching, blabbering in "tongues", barking, and "holy" hysterical laughter is absolutely undignified. And the Holy Spirit doesn't have any part in it. It's recycled Benny Hinn-ish buffoonery.
If the above is normal, common "spiritual" behavior, scripture gives no examples/evidence of it. That's plenty enough proof for me.
If the above is normal, common "spiritual" behavior, scripture gives no examples/evidence of it. That's plenty enough proof for me.
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David clearly made a spectacle of himself for Micah to despise him. But why did David dance like he did? The Ark of the Covenant was coming to the City of David. What does the Ark of the Covenant represent? The presence of God's Holy Spirit. So the Spirit of God in relationships to David being overjoyed, is similar to someone caught up in the Spirit of God and being overwhelmed.
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They could argue that .But have nothing to support other than the desire for self edification.
Scripture edifies no such position of going into some sort of frenzy and falling backward. Falling back is a metaphor used to represent some one is under the judgement of God. Not that they are under grace. No sign for self efiifcation
Scripture edifies no such position of going into some sort of frenzy and falling backward. Falling back is a metaphor used to represent some one is under the judgement of God. Not that they are under grace. No sign for self efiifcation
Wow that was a good video of slap stick comedy. LOL I loeved it.
A proof text I remember someone using for the Holy Spirit killing people is, Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
A text I pointed out is,
Acts 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
1 Samuel 4:11 And the ark of God was taken; and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were slain.
1 Kings 13:26
And when the prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, It is the man of God, who was disobedient unto the word of the Lord: therefore the Lord hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the word of the Lord, which he spake unto him.
1 Chronicles 5:22
For there fell down many slain, because the war was of God. And they dwelt in their steads until the captivity.
I did not know the Holy Spirit was armed.
A proof text I remember someone using for the Holy Spirit killing people is, Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
A text I pointed out is,
Acts 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
1 Samuel 4:11 And the ark of God was taken; and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were slain.
1 Kings 13:26
And when the prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, It is the man of God, who was disobedient unto the word of the Lord: therefore the Lord hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the word of the Lord, which he spake unto him.
1 Chronicles 5:22
For there fell down many slain, because the war was of God. And they dwelt in their steads until the captivity.
I did not know the Holy Spirit was armed.
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Is there a good reason for you reviving this thread? Or are you just wanting to argue the point some more?
Nowhere in Scripture is it even hinted that "falling backward" is a "metaphor" for being under the judgment of God. You're making doctrine from narrative... always a questionable practice that often leads to error.
Nowhere in Scripture is it even hinted that "falling backward" is a "metaphor" for being under the judgment of God. You're making doctrine from narrative... always a questionable practice that often leads to error.
Just making sure you the good grammar teacher are checking on me. lol
It could lead to error if a person does not search the scriptures.
What do you think the metaphor in respect to the word "fell" as falling back or backwards or fell down represents?
I will offer a few verse that I believe support what I am offering.
And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. Acts 5;5
Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.Acts 5:10
John 18:5-7 King James Version (KJV) They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
1 Samuel 4:18 And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years.
But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken .Isiah 28: 13
Dan a word when defined mean judge
Genesis 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
Isaiah 59:13-15 King James Version (KJV) In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
What do you think falling back or backward slain in the spirit represents? A blessing that comes from self edification ?
Like Jimmy Hendrix. Have you ever been experienced?
It could lead to error if a person does not search the scriptures.
What do you think the metaphor in respect to the word "fell" as falling back or backwards or fell down represents?
I will offer a few verse that I believe support what I am offering.
And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. Acts 5;5
Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.Acts 5:10
John 18:5-7 King James Version (KJV) They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
1 Samuel 4:18 And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years.
But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken .Isiah 28: 13
Dan a word when defined mean judge
Genesis 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
Isaiah 59:13-15 King James Version (KJV) In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
What do you think falling back or backward slain in the spirit represents? A blessing that comes from self edification ?
Like Jimmy Hendrix. Have you ever been experienced?
