Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the door. The end is near even at the door;In May 1997 the first Red Heifer was born in 2000 years; A red heifer will be required to be used in the process of purification described in the book of Numbers. The Jews are rebuilding the Temple now. there are so many signs Jesus gave to know when it draws nigh, if you remember; well if you have been to bible college, in the first seminary we are taught that from the Hebrew language a season is a period of dispensation. That is type of season preachers are talking about.
FALSE PROPHETS IN THE LAST DAY.
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We know Jesus is the Light and will guide us and tells us not to worry for tomorrow for enough is the trouble of TODAY.
Seek Ye first the kingdom of God which does not include being puffed up with the believing you know more then the Bible tells about the coming of the Lord.
We are not blind groping in the dark, we just reject people who preach unbiblical things that go against the knowledge of Christ. we just refuse to be deceived by mysitcs and gnostics who claim a special relationship or knowledge and yet do not understand the basics of Christ's divinity and compounds the sin by teaching others their false doctrines.
we know this is but the beginning of sorrows and no one knows except the Heavenly Father when Jesus will return.
Mark 13:5-8 (New King James Version)
5 And Jesus, answering them, began to say: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 6 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many. 7 But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet. 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles.[a] These are the beginnings of sorrows.
After tribulation Jesus will come and we will need NO ONE to tell us He has come because WE WILL SEE Him riding on the clouds. If He decides to do so before our deaths. if not we await resurrection.
Mark 13
24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Seek Ye first the kingdom of God which does not include being puffed up with the believing you know more then the Bible tells about the coming of the Lord.
We are not blind groping in the dark, we just reject people who preach unbiblical things that go against the knowledge of Christ. we just refuse to be deceived by mysitcs and gnostics who claim a special relationship or knowledge and yet do not understand the basics of Christ's divinity and compounds the sin by teaching others their false doctrines.
we know this is but the beginning of sorrows and no one knows except the Heavenly Father when Jesus will return.
Mark 13:5-8 (New King James Version)
5 And Jesus, answering them, began to say: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 6 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many. 7 But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet. 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles.[a] These are the beginnings of sorrows.
After tribulation Jesus will come and we will need NO ONE to tell us He has come because WE WILL SEE Him riding on the clouds. If He decides to do so before our deaths. if not we await resurrection.
Mark 13
24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
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Quote: "You did not seek the prophesies,how can you know prophsies? "
We are not to seek the prophecies. We are to seek the face of Jesus. YOu can know if a prophecy is true or not by if it leads te hearer to Jesus or comes to pass.
You clearly do not understand the prophetic ministry. You should read Bill Hamon's book, Miike Bickle's, Joyners. LEARN
Maggie
We are not to seek the prophecies. We are to seek the face of Jesus. YOu can know if a prophecy is true or not by if it leads te hearer to Jesus or comes to pass.
You clearly do not understand the prophetic ministry. You should read Bill Hamon's book, Miike Bickle's, Joyners. LEARN
Maggie
maggie:
i am aware this is your choice of directions, and you seem to be doing what you believe is right adhering to these movements.
if you are openly promoting them to believers, i have to offer the counter to it (according to my convictions).
you understand, i'm sure: if the tree is good, the fruit will be good. if not, well.....
http://www.erwm.com/New%20Apostolic%20Reformation.htm
zone
i am aware this is your choice of directions, and you seem to be doing what you believe is right adhering to these movements.
if you are openly promoting them to believers, i have to offer the counter to it (according to my convictions).
you understand, i'm sure: if the tree is good, the fruit will be good. if not, well.....
http://www.erwm.com/New%20Apostolic%20Reformation.htm
zone
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Zone: http://www.erwm.com/New%20Apostolic%20Reformation.htm
Without having to read all of those articles, just give me the 'in a nutshell' of what you are trying to say here. Are you agreement with Peter C. Wagner or not?
Maggie
Without having to read all of those articles, just give me the 'in a nutshell' of what you are trying to say here. Are you agreement with Peter C. Wagner or not?
Maggie
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Ok then. Considering that I've seen quite a few of your posts that are hereitical and that I am a Wagner Leardership Institude graduatate AND a certified Assembly of God pastor, I'll just let you OPINION stand as your OPINION. Because it is obvious that you have simply run with the opinions of others rather than STUDY the prophetic ministery, the apostolic ministry, the ministry of spiritual warfare or deliverance and you really have no CLUE as to who you are supposed to be in Christ. We are created to be OVERCOMERS and CONQUERERS. You can be neither if you don't understand the things of the Spirit which is what Wagner, et al teach and about being DOers of the Word of God.
James 1:22
Are there false prophets? Absolutely!! And WAGNER even teaches about them. You, however, are presumptuous, which is sin, BTW, when you call someone false without having read some of their books and listened to some of their messages IN CONTEXT. It simply is FOOLISHNESS to NOT DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF AND BANK YOUR THEOLOGY ON THE OPINION OF SOMEONE THAT YOU HAVE ALSO NOT STUDIED...SOMEONE YOU'VE NEVER MET TO EVEN KNOW THE FRUIT OF THEIR LABOR OR THE CONDITION OF THEIR HEART. You, Zone, are closer to being a false teacher than Wagner would ever be of being a false prophet. And...again showing the HUGE LACK of your knowledge, Wagner is NOT a prophet. He is an Apostle. Get your facts straight.
Maggie
James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
James 1:21-23 (in Context) James 1 (Whole Chapter)- James 1:23
For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Are there false prophets? Absolutely!! And WAGNER even teaches about them. You, however, are presumptuous, which is sin, BTW, when you call someone false without having read some of their books and listened to some of their messages IN CONTEXT. It simply is FOOLISHNESS to NOT DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF AND BANK YOUR THEOLOGY ON THE OPINION OF SOMEONE THAT YOU HAVE ALSO NOT STUDIED...SOMEONE YOU'VE NEVER MET TO EVEN KNOW THE FRUIT OF THEIR LABOR OR THE CONDITION OF THEIR HEART. You, Zone, are closer to being a false teacher than Wagner would ever be of being a false prophet. And...again showing the HUGE LACK of your knowledge, Wagner is NOT a prophet. He is an Apostle. Get your facts straight.
Maggie
maggie:
ok. but my opinion is as much based on understanding the things of God as you claim yours to be.
also: i see in the scriptures that women are not permitted to be ordained ministers. how does Wagner and AoG get around this?
i wonder what posts i've made that are heretical maggie? be specific if you care to.
oh but that's so far from the truth, maggie.
i have studied the prophetic ministry, the apostolic ministry, the ministry of spiritual warfare and the deliverance ministry. all of them. from every angle, for a long time, and have witnessed firsthand these ministries in operation.
concerning the opinions of others, it is true i make certain i affirm personally any opinions of others i refer to (or will add a disclaimer). so any refutaton or arguments against the NAR etc i affirm by personal study and research (not just running with it).
yes, i know what Wagner et al teach about being DOERS.
there are a lot of folks out there today who are DOING great and wonderful works for The Lord, Lord....are they all genuine?
naturally i wasn't present at Pentecost, so my experience was not the same as it was for the ones there.
neither is yours or Wagner's.
re tongues: no, i really only speak English and a little bit of French, so i would need an interpreter if i were to share the Gospel with someone who spoke another tongue.
you'd be surprised what can be comprehended with the renewing of the mind and reliance on the Holy Spirit and the scriptures, maggie.
what do you DO that i do not DO, maggie?
and what is it i doubt? signs and wonders? claims of new revelation? God's Word?
yes, i know he does.
he says any traditional leaders (preachers, pastors) are controlled by demon religious spirits.
it's possible i've been reading and listening to their stuff longer than you have maggie.
but maggie i do my own research. all of it. for years. i know all about that crowd. one can 'study" them without buying into it.
ok...but...what do you say in the very next sentence?
he's neither, maggie.
zone.
ok. but my opinion is as much based on understanding the things of God as you claim yours to be.
also: i see in the scriptures that women are not permitted to be ordained ministers. how does Wagner and AoG get around this?
i wonder what posts i've made that are heretical maggie? be specific if you care to.
oh but that's so far from the truth, maggie.
i have studied the prophetic ministry, the apostolic ministry, the ministry of spiritual warfare and the deliverance ministry. all of them. from every angle, for a long time, and have witnessed firsthand these ministries in operation.
concerning the opinions of others, it is true i make certain i affirm personally any opinions of others i refer to (or will add a disclaimer). so any refutaton or arguments against the NAR etc i affirm by personal study and research (not just running with it).
yes, i know what Wagner et al teach about being DOERS.
there are a lot of folks out there today who are DOING great and wonderful works for The Lord, Lord....are they all genuine?
naturally i wasn't present at Pentecost, so my experience was not the same as it was for the ones there.
neither is yours or Wagner's.
re tongues: no, i really only speak English and a little bit of French, so i would need an interpreter if i were to share the Gospel with someone who spoke another tongue.
you'd be surprised what can be comprehended with the renewing of the mind and reliance on the Holy Spirit and the scriptures, maggie.
what do you DO that i do not DO, maggie?
and what is it i doubt? signs and wonders? claims of new revelation? God's Word?
yes, i know he does.
he says any traditional leaders (preachers, pastors) are controlled by demon religious spirits.
it's possible i've been reading and listening to their stuff longer than you have maggie.
but maggie i do my own research. all of it. for years. i know all about that crowd. one can 'study" them without buying into it.
ok...but...what do you say in the very next sentence?
he's neither, maggie.
zone.
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Quoting Zone: "but my opinion is as much based on understanding the things of God as you claim yours to be." Oh...I'm not claiming OPINION. I am claiming THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD; given scripture, shown logic (like 'nowhere in the Bible does it say to eliminate ANY of the gifts or ministries listed TOGETHER in Eph 4:11).
Your OPINION is based on your "understanding". So I rest my case.
Maggie
Your OPINION is based on your "understanding". So I rest my case.
Maggie
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[/quote]Hi Neiliso, the bible says in the last days there will be many false christs and false prophets. These false Christs & prophets have gone into the churches. They will be preaching Christ, and acting like Christ, performing many miracles that Christ did, and even more. They will be healing, casting out spirits, laying their hands on people making them faint, speaking tongues, prophesying..you name it. People will say, God is here because of all these miracles. The people will be in a trance, almost like hypnotised to these miracles. They preach miracles to bring people in to their church. We should not go by miracles, very dangerous, because the devil has gone into most churches and corrupted the doctrine of truth and made these people comfortable in their position. The people look up to these types. Whatever they say will be believed.
Now the False prophet, is a special chosen one. He will stand out above all the rest. The world will be decieved by him, as he will be a world leader. He will be doing miracles as well, but but not by his own power.
We christians have heard of the false prophet. We read in Rev 13 that he will give everyone a number on their right hand or in their forehead and that no man can buy or sell without this number. So this number is a new system that he introduces to bring false peace, but in actual fact, it is to control the people.
The world has also heard of this man. They call him the antichrist, they even make movies about him, but this man is going to decieve, even if possible the very elect. So this tells us something. He will not be so easily identifiable when he does come. The only way we can properly identify him is to go to the prophesies where more description is given. Before he comes, certain world events must take place, and when fulfilled, he pops up. He is coming VERY SOON.
Now the many false prophets & false christs who the people rely on for instruction will be especially decieved during this time. These false ones will instruct the people to accept the "False Prophet" they will say things like, it is not a physical mark, but a spiritual one, so dont worry, if you are serving the Lord, you will be ok. Very dangerous! Or they will say, we dont have to go through it, Jesus will rapture us up before he comes, or they will say, God would not want your children to die, or for you to go hungry because God loves us and wants whats best for us. They will instruct the flock to take the mark believing they are doing the right thing. The flock will follow through lack of knowledge.
If your church warns you of the dangers, and starts preparing the flock to buckleup and be ready for hard times, and properly identifies this man even before he arrives (because the signs tell us where he will emerge from) and teach you that it is better to die for Christ and suffer persecution than take that Mark, then you are in the right church. And if your church cares about the prophesies, concerning this man, and teaches you these prophesies, and encourages you to not be lax, but to be prepared for the hardest decision you are ever going to make in your life and that God will be with you to give a little help, then again, you are in the right church.
If your church warns you to stay away from people that warn you to go to the scriptures to find the truth about this man (because it's only around the corner) then you are in the wrong church. Get out now. You are in serious danger of being led astray. I am only leading you to the bible, the truth is in there.. You have to search the truth for yourself. I can give you some scriptures to look up if your serious. Move closer to the Lord, and he will move closer to you. Submit fully and put God first, he will reveal all things to you and knowledge will not lead you astray but protect you to not make the wrong decision or be decieved.
God bless.
Now the False prophet, is a special chosen one. He will stand out above all the rest. The world will be decieved by him, as he will be a world leader. He will be doing miracles as well, but but not by his own power.
We christians have heard of the false prophet. We read in Rev 13 that he will give everyone a number on their right hand or in their forehead and that no man can buy or sell without this number. So this number is a new system that he introduces to bring false peace, but in actual fact, it is to control the people.
The world has also heard of this man. They call him the antichrist, they even make movies about him, but this man is going to decieve, even if possible the very elect. So this tells us something. He will not be so easily identifiable when he does come. The only way we can properly identify him is to go to the prophesies where more description is given. Before he comes, certain world events must take place, and when fulfilled, he pops up. He is coming VERY SOON.
Now the many false prophets & false christs who the people rely on for instruction will be especially decieved during this time. These false ones will instruct the people to accept the "False Prophet" they will say things like, it is not a physical mark, but a spiritual one, so dont worry, if you are serving the Lord, you will be ok. Very dangerous! Or they will say, we dont have to go through it, Jesus will rapture us up before he comes, or they will say, God would not want your children to die, or for you to go hungry because God loves us and wants whats best for us. They will instruct the flock to take the mark believing they are doing the right thing. The flock will follow through lack of knowledge.
If your church warns you of the dangers, and starts preparing the flock to buckleup and be ready for hard times, and properly identifies this man even before he arrives (because the signs tell us where he will emerge from) and teach you that it is better to die for Christ and suffer persecution than take that Mark, then you are in the right church. And if your church cares about the prophesies, concerning this man, and teaches you these prophesies, and encourages you to not be lax, but to be prepared for the hardest decision you are ever going to make in your life and that God will be with you to give a little help, then again, you are in the right church.
If your church warns you to stay away from people that warn you to go to the scriptures to find the truth about this man (because it's only around the corner) then you are in the wrong church. Get out now. You are in serious danger of being led astray. I am only leading you to the bible, the truth is in there.. You have to search the truth for yourself. I can give you some scriptures to look up if your serious. Move closer to the Lord, and he will move closer to you. Submit fully and put God first, he will reveal all things to you and knowledge will not lead you astray but protect you to not make the wrong decision or be decieved.
God bless.
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