FIRE BREATHING DRAGONS FACT OR FICTION
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Haha! Kenisyes, this sort of thread is one way to get you back to CC. 
Thanks to radioactive dating, we have good evidence that humans and dinosaurs didn't coexist. Also note that, while dragons have persisted in folklore (probably from perfectly natural origins that don't require coexistence with dinosaurs), the actual dinosaurs didn't persist in folklore... when we first discovered their bones a couple centuries ago, they took us completely by surprise.
A story's persistence is really a bad indicator of its truth. The Loch Ness Monster was based on fakery, and is impossible (there isn't enough food in the small lake to support the existence of such an allegedly large creature) and yet we keep hearing about sightings. Why don't we hear about fire-breathing hamsters? It's a good question, but I'd just chalk it up to lack of imagination.
And since I'm an atheist, I'm not convinced of their existence because they're in the bible, in the same way that I'm not convinced that cockatrices exist for the same reason (a cockatrice is half-dragon, half-rooster, born from the egg of a rooster).
And since I'm an atheist, I'm not convinced of their existence because they're in the bible, in the same way that I'm not convinced that cockatrices exist for the same reason (a cockatrice is half-dragon, half-rooster, born from the egg of a rooster).
Radioactive dating is based on observable fact. Radioactive elements decay at a fixed rate, and there's no reason to suspect that this wasn't always true.
It's strange that you think an "evolutionary worldview" is responsible for bias that would skew their findings. Do you think that the bias of Christian scientists equally skews their findings?
It's strange that you think an "evolutionary worldview" is responsible for bias that would skew their findings. Do you think that the bias of Christian scientists equally skews their findings?
Good call on that one!
(found here: Why does the Bible mention mythical cockatrice? | What is a cockatrice | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry )
[h=1]Why does the Bible mention the mythical cockatrice?[/h] by Matt Slick
(found here: Why does the Bible mention mythical cockatrice? | What is a cockatrice | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry )
[h=1]Why does the Bible mention the mythical cockatrice?[/h] by Matt Slick
- Isaiah 11:8, "And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den."
- Isaiah 14:29, "Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent."
- Isaiah 59:5, "They hatch cockatrice’ eggs, and weave the spider’s web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper."
- Jer. 8:17, "For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD."
- Prov. 23:32, "At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder [same Hebrew word as all other verses translated as 'adder' here]."
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the naval of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinew of his stones are wrapped together. Defenders Study Bible notes: No elephant or hippo has a tail like a cedar. This description supports the theory mentioned above may be a dinosaur.
If it is written in the scriptures that it had fire-breathing serpents that flies in the sky, then it's true; but if you doesn't believe, then you are consider a closet atheist. To have faith, you can't doubt. There is a lot of doubting Thomas out there that is spreading their gospel. God had left the word to be our proof or as a witness to all things. Jesus has shown us what all followers must do with when satan come to lure them away.
Matthew 4:6
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”
Matthew 4:7Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
Romans 14:23But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
James 1:6But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.
James 1:8Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.
2 Peter 3:16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the naval of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinew of his stones are wrapped together. Defenders Study Bible notes: No elephant or hippo has a tail like a cedar. This description supports the theory mentioned above may be a dinosaur.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
If it is written in the scriptures that it had fire-breathing serpents that flies in the sky, then it's true; but if you doesn't believe, then you are consider a closet atheist. To have faith, you can't doubt. There is a lot of doubting Thomas out there that is spreading their gospel. God had left the word to be our proof or as a witness to all things. Jesus has shown us what all followers must do with when satan come to lure them away.
Matthew 4:6
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”
Matthew 4:7Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
Romans 14:23But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
James 1:6But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.
James 1:8Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.
2 Peter 3:16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinew of his stones are wrapped together. Defenders Study Bible notes: No elephant or hippo has a tail like a cedar. This description supports the theory mentioned above may be a dinosaur.
If it is written in the scriptures that it had fire-breathing serpents that flies in the sky, then it's true; but if you doesn't believe, then you are consider a closet atheist. To have faith, you can't doubt. There is a lot of doubting Thomas out there that is spreading their gospel. God had left the word to be our proof or as a witness to all things. Jesus has shown us what all followers must do with when satan come to lure them away.
Matthew 4:6
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”
Matthew 4:7Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
Romans 14:23But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
James 1:6But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.
James 1:8Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.
2 Peter 3:16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
King James Version (KJV)
1Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?
3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?
4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?
5 Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?
18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.
33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
[h=2]Summary[/h] In Job 40, the Lord is infallibly describing a real historical creature, called ‘Behemoth’. No known living animal, such as the elephant or hippopotamus, fits the passage adequately. A detailed analysis of the key clause Job 40:17a suggests that the most natural interpretation is that the tail of Behemoth is compared to a cedar for its great size. Consequently, the most reasonable interpretation is that Behemoth was a large animal, now extinct, which had a large tail. Thus some type of extinct dinosaur should still be considered a perfectly reasonable possibility according to our present state of knowledge.
The passage Job 40:15–24 gives a detailed description of the creature named ‘Behemoth’. There has been controversy as to what Behemoth really is. This paper focuses on the clause Job 40:17a, which is crucial to the proposition that Behemoth could have been a type of dinosaur. The other common proposals are also analyzed, and some general considerations are made concerning the whole passage.
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I think the fire breathing dragon and the Locust that won't die, are explanations that the people of the time could understand and I think it is talking about the kind of wepons that will be used. There is one now that looks like a mosquito and can be deadly. Saw a picture of one a while back and can be scary for those who don't know where they will end up.
Job 41:1) Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
2 .) Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?
3 .) Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?
4 .) Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?
5 .) Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?
6 .) Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?
7 .) Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?
8 .) Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.
9 .) Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?
10 .) None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?
11 .) Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.
12 .) I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.
13 .) Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?
14 .) Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.
15 .) His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.
16 .) One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.
17 .) They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.
18 .) By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
19 .) Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
20 .) Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
21 .) His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
2 .) Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?
3 .) Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?
4 .) Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?
5 .) Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?
6 .) Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?
7 .) Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?
8 .) Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.
9 .) Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?
10 .) None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?
11 .) Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.
12 .) I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.
13 .) Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?
14 .) Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.
15 .) His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.
16 .) One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.
17 .) They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.
18 .) By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
19 .) Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
20 .) Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
21 .) His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.