Flood Question

[Aephus]

This isn’t really an important question, just something I was thinking about while reading through.

”And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭7‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭ESV‬‬

This is a lot of water.

Do you think the size of the earth changed at all from this? Did the earth absorb the water, causing it to expand in some ways? Kinda like a sponge?

It says that the waters prevailed for 150 days.

”And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭7‬:‭24‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Did a lot of the water get evaporated & create the cloud system we experience now?

I kinda wish I had a map to see what the world looked like pre-flood haha. Just curious, that’s all.

 

[JaumeJ]

If anyone has a "personal relation" with Jesus, it seems quite clear he would be authentically religious, while there are many manners of Being religious the which may not amount to actually believing God.

 

[Dino246]

This isn’t really an important question, just something I was thinking about while reading through.

”And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭7‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭ESV‬‬

This is a lot of water.

Do you think the size of the earth changed at all from this? Did the earth absorb the water, causing it to expand in some ways? Kinda like a sponge?

It says that the waters prevailed for 150 days.

”And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭7‬:‭24‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Did a lot of the water get evaporated & create the cloud system we experience now?

I kinda wish I had a map to see what the world looked like pre-flood haha. Just curious, that’s all.

The answer is straightforward: the mountains we see today were formed during or after the flood, and the sea floors are deeper now than before.

There are several good videos on the subject on YouTube.

 

[Adstar]

This isn’t really an important question, just something I was thinking about while reading through.

”And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭7‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭ESV‬‬

This is a lot of water.

Do you think the size of the earth changed at all from this? Did the earth absorb the water, causing it to expand in some ways? Kinda like a sponge?

It says that the waters prevailed for 150 days.

”And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭7‬:‭24‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Did a lot of the water get evaporated & create the cloud system we experience now?

I kinda wish I had a map to see what the world looked like pre-flood haha. Just curious, that’s all.

I believe the majority of the waters of the great flood came from the underground..

(Genesis 7:11) "¶ In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

The finding, published in Science, suggests that a reservoir of water is hidden in the Earth's mantle, more than 400 miles below the surface. Try to refrain from imagining expanses of underground seas: all this water, three times the volume of water on the surface, is trapped inside rocks.

 

[PaulThomson]

This isn’t really an important question, just something I was thinking about while reading through.

”And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭7‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭ESV‬‬

This is a lot of water.

Do you think the size of the earth changed at all from this? Did the earth absorb the water, causing it to expand in some ways? Kinda like a sponge?

It says that the waters prevailed for 150 days.

”And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭7‬:‭24‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Did a lot of the water get evaporated & create the cloud system we experience now?

I kinda wish I had a map to see what the world looked like pre-flood haha. Just curious, that’s all.

Try this video.

 

[Webers.Home]

~
Mountains were smaller in the distant past. For example the discovery of
fossilized sea lilies near the top of Mt Everest proves that the Himalayan land
mass has not always been mountainous; but at one time was the floor of an
ancient sea bed. This is confirmed by the "yellow band" just below Everest's
summit consisting of limestone: a type of rock made from calcite sediments
containing the skeletal remains of countless trillions of organisms who lived,
not on dry land, rather, underwater in an ocean.

"He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. You
covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the
mountains. At your rebuke they fled; at the sound of your thunder they took
to flight. The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you
appointed for them. You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that they
might not again cover the earth." (Ps 104:5-9)

That passage is stunning; and clearly way ahead of its time. Mountains
rising, and valleys sinking speaks of magma pressure and tectonic plate
subduction-- powerful forces of nature that keep the Earth's surface in a
perpetual state of alteration.

For example: in its early geological history the Dead Sea was home to the
Sedom Lagoon (Gen 14:3). Back then, water from the Red Sea was able to
ebb in and out because the region hasn't always been land locked like it is
today. At one time the Jordan River had an easy outlet to the gulf of Aqaba.
But over time, tectonic forces altered the region; preventing drainage into
the gulf and trapping water in a huge basin from which they cannot now
escape.
_

 

[Nehemiah6]

I kinda wish I had a map to see what the world looked like pre-flood haha.

There was no change of the planet earth. So you would find it identical before, during, and after the Flood. The Flood waters partly evaporated, but mainly returned to the oceans. In the water cycle, water eventually returns to the oceans.

 

[Webers.Home]

~
FAQ: Is it possible that the Flood was local rather than global?

REPLY: Well; the problem with that theory is: the waters breached the
highest mountains by fifteen cubits (22½ feet). So then, if perchance Noah
lived in a geographic basin, the waters would have overflowed the
mountains surrounding him and kept on going before they ever got up to
that 22½ feet of extra elevation.

But the water would start spilling past Noah's area long before it breached
the tops of the highest mountains surrounding him because mountain ranges
aren't shaped smooth, level, and plane like the rim of a domestic bath tub.
No; they're very irregular and consist of high points and low points; viz:
peaks, valleys, canyons, saddles, and passes.

Thus mountain ranges make poor bath tubs because you would lose water
through the low points before it even had a chance to fill to the peaks. In
point of fact, were the sides of your bathtub shaped like a mountain range;
you could never fill it. And in trying to; just end up with water all over the
floor.
_

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I believe the majority of the waters of the great flood came from the underground..

(Genesis 7:11) "¶ In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

The finding, published in Science, suggests that a reservoir of water is hidden in the Earth's mantle, more than 400 miles below the surface. Try to refrain from imagining expanses of underground seas: all this water, three times the volume of water on the surface, is trapped inside rocks.

Two great digs have found this water. Only it is ten miles underground, it is also heavy water.

 

[Webers.Home]

● Gen 7:11b . . the same day were all the fountains of the great deep
broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

The Hebrew word translated "deep" basically means an abyss (as a surging
mass of water) especially the deep (the main sea or the subterranean water
supply). That word occurred very early on in the Bible's texts at Gen 1:1-2.

The difference between this deep and the deep of Gen 1:1-2 is that this
deep is the great deep. The Hebrew word for "great" means abundant (in
quantity, size, age, number, rank, quality), so that this particular deep could
be thought of as bottomless; viz: an abysmal source of water beyond human
imagination whereas the Earth's indigenous sources are limited.

The "windows" of heaven are translated from a Hebrew word that means a
sluice; viz: a trough and/or a channel for moving water from one place to
another; in this case for transferring water from the great deep to the Earth.

Seeing as how Gen 7:11 speaks of heaven and sluices, then I think it's safe
to assume that the water used to flood the Earth came from somewhere out
in the cosmos; which is actually a reasonable assumption.

In an article I found on the internet dated July 22, 2011; astronomers have
discovered the largest and oldest mass of water ever detected in the
universe-- a gigantic cloud harboring 140 trillion times more water than all
of Earth's oceans combined. Well; I'm pretty sure that's a sufficient quantity
to inundate the Earth to a depth required by the Flood.

FAQ: Where are the waters of the Flood now?

REPLY: Well; the language and grammar of Gen 8:1-3 suggests it was
vacuumed off the Earth from all over the globe all at the same time rather
than drained from a single location like pulling the plug in a wash basin. I
rather suspect it was all returned to the great deep from whence it came,
i.e. the abysmal; whatever and where ever that actually is.

FAQ: You don't think the waters are still here; maybe up in the sky?

REPLY: The atmosphere can hold only so much water in the form of vapor,
and the higher up one goes, the less vapor that's there. So; no, the Flood's
waters aren't up in the sky: they're gone.
_

 

[PaulThomson]

● Gen 7:11b . . the same day were all the fountains of the great deep
broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

The Hebrew word translated "deep" basically means an abyss (as a surging
mass of water) especially the deep (the main sea or the subterranean water
supply). That word occurred very early on in the Bible's texts at Gen 1:1-2.

The difference between this deep and the deep of Gen 1:1-2 is that this
deep is the great deep. The Hebrew word for "great" means abundant (in
quantity, size, age, number, rank, quality), so that this particular deep could
be thought of as bottomless; viz: an abysmal source of water beyond human
imagination whereas the Earth's indigenous sources are limited.

The "windows" of heaven are translated from a Hebrew word that means a
sluice; viz: a trough and/or a channel for moving water from one place to
another; in this case for transferring water from the great deep to the Earth.

Seeing as how Gen 7:11 speaks of heaven and sluices, then I think it's safe
to assume that the water used to flood the Earth came from somewhere out
in the cosmos; which is actually a reasonable assumption.

In an article I found on the internet dated July 22, 2011; astronomers have
discovered the largest and oldest mass of water ever detected in the
universe-- a gigantic cloud harboring 140 trillion times more water than all
of Earth's oceans combined. Well; I'm pretty sure that's a sufficient quantity
to inundate the Earth to a depth required by the Flood.

FAQ: Where are the waters of the Flood now?

REPLY: Well; the language and grammar of Gen 8:1-3 suggests it was
vacuumed off the Earth from all over the globe all at the same time rather
than drained from a single location like pulling the plug in a wash basin. I
rather suspect it was all returned to the great deep from whence it came,
i.e. the abysmal; whatever and where ever that actually is.

FAQ: You don't think the waters are still here; maybe up in the sky?

REPLY: The atmosphere can hold only so much water in the form of vapor,
and the higher up one goes, the less vapor that's there. So; no, the Flood's
waters aren't up in the sky: they're gone.
_

70 metres deep of it became ice at the poles, of course.

 

[smudge]

~
FAQ: Is it possible that the Flood was local rather than global?

REPLY: Well; the problem with that theory is: the waters breached the
highest mountains by fifteen cubits (22½ feet). So then, if perchance Noah
lived in a geographic basin, the waters would have overflowed the
mountains surrounding him and kept on going before they ever got up to
that 22½ feet of extra elevation.

But the water would start spilling past Noah's area long before it breached
the tops of the highest mountains surrounding him because mountain ranges
aren't shaped smooth, level, and plane like the rim of a domestic bath tub.
No; they're very irregular and consist of high points and low points; viz:
peaks, valleys, canyons, saddles, and passes.

Thus mountain ranges make poor bath tubs because you would lose water
through the low points before it even had a chance to fill to the peaks. In
point of fact, were the sides of your bathtub shaped like a mountain range;
you could never fill it. And in trying to; just end up with water all over the
floor.
_

The evidence seems to indicate that it was a regional flood. A global flood just doesn't add up.

 

[Magenta]

The evidence seems to indicate that it was a regional flood. A global flood just doesn't add up.

Are you aware that one thing hundreds of ancient civilizations have in common is a flood story?

From a general search:

Anthropologists have discovered flood myths in nearly every society on Earth including
but not limited to Greeks, Native Americans, Polynesians, Aboriginals, Celtics, Norse, Irish,
and Mesoamericans. Nearly every one of these myths is the same. The biblical account is
also found in world wide-creation accounts. The Biblical account of a great, universal
flood is part of the mythology and legend of almost every culture on earth.

 

[smudge]

There are logistical issues with a global flood.
CRI and their "scientist" claim it's a global flood but it's not that difficult to figure this out.

If Noah were to bring every living creature that existed globally onto ONE ark - they wouldn't fit! It would take dozens of arks. I'm sure God's Spirit was involved in the gathering process but remember. This includes male and female of every living thing, including birds, animals, creeping things/reptiles. AND - gather the food to sustain these critters.

NOW! ADD Dino into the mix like the 'scientist' at CRI do (Hank Hanegraaf and company) and you have an outrageous theory that makes no sense.

These people claim Dino roamed the earth while man was upon it. Another thing is their size alone would have instilled so much fear in people that there would be some record of them walking the earth at the same time as man. The Behemoth is a water ox and the Leviathan is likely symbolic of an evil end-time entity.

Dinosaurs existed in the pre-Adamite world and were destroyed after their useful purpose was done. Then God re-created the earth into what we see today and created Adam and Eve at that time. It just makes no sense these literal 6-day Christian Creation Scientist get away with pushing this stuff.

 

[Nehemiah6]

If Noah were to bring every living creature that existed globally onto ONE ark - they wouldn't fit! It would take dozens of arks.

Why don't you read the Bible account? He was never told to bring EVERY living creature into the Ark.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Why don't you read the Bible account? He was never told to bring EVERY living creature into the Ark.

Hi Nehemiah6,

Since you know me this past year or so, I thought you might want to see my response to someone who is posting this inappropriate garbage that I'm sure a moderator will address when he sees my report.
It's my direct response to a recruiter. I can't speak for the moderator, only for myself . When a Drag Queen Story Hour dude, or whatever he identifies as, posts what he did targeting the kids, I'm going to open a can on him. If I get banned for rebuking the guy, so be it. I would think that any other adult would agree, but I don't know since there's lots of people from other backgrounds and approaches to conflicts.

https://christianchat.com/members/thaddeusfields.322282/

 

[smudge]

Why don't you read the Bible account? He was never told to bring EVERY living creature into the Ark.

I probably read and studied it more than you have. This is the kind of issue that make Christianity look foolish because a global flood just doesn't make any sense at all. In my experience, whether I strive for the truth in religion or science, the simplest most logical answer is usually the correct one.

The word ALL, EVERY, and WHOLE are the most misunderstood words to understand because they often do NOT imply EVERYTHING. The words usually imply all of ONE thing and not the entirety of the whole. I won't go there yet.

Common sense can go a long way in understanding this. One ark simply cannot accommodate ALL the animals that existed on earth. People like John MacArthur, Hank Hanegraaf, Ken Hamn, and Kent Hovind go as far as to claim the nonsense that Noah put Dino on the Ark.

If Noah would have put dinosaurs on the ark, he would have needed 12 to 15 arks to accommodate them and the food he would have had to store, and the amount of manure he would have had to take care of. These creation scientist at CRI have the nerve to tell us that one ark would have been of sufficient size to accommodate all the animals of the planet to include dinosaurs.

If the flood was worldwide like they say, how did Noah, or God, get these creature to the Ark if they had to come from thousands of miles away, or to cross oceans? How would Noah and his family fit so many creatures on ONE ark and still have the room to store the food and the dung? It's actually IMPOSSIBLE for that to have occurred! The flood wasn't worldwide but limited to the area of the Middle East. The animals God brought to Noah were in the region of the Middle-East and NOT from the entire planet. The flood was regional. We have record of civilizations in China and even Egypt that went undisturbed during that time.

 

[Magenta]

Sounds like some do not believe all things are possible with God.

 

[smudge]

Sounds like some do not believe all things are possible with God.

Like what? Putting all the earths animals on ONE ark 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high? A child could figure this out. This is the type of foolishness that throws Christianity under the bus and makes us all look stupid. For some reason - common sense just eludes Christians. Then to top it off, you have influential people like MacArthur and his clone John Barnett teach Noah put the dinosaurs on the ark. People who fall for that stuff fall for anything.

 

[Magenta]

Like what? Putting all the earths animals on ONE ark 450 feet long and 45 feet high? A child could figure this out. This is the type of foolishness that throws Christianity under the bus and makes us all look stupid. For some reason - common sense just eludes Christians. Then to top it off, you have influential people like MacArthur and his clone John Barnett teach Noah put the dinosaurs on the ark. People who fall for that stuff fall for anything.

Hint: not all the earth's animals went on the ark. You have already been told this.

And if you read the Bible, you would know this as well.