For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

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For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • No.

    Votes: 21 91.3%

  • Total voters
    23

preacher4truth

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What's with these last two posts of yours? I have been nothing but civil and now you're coming at me like this? What did I do to deserve this, my Brother?
He says it is God speaking through him. Then he praises God for it so that proves it.
 

trofimus

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Sin had entered into the world by one man, Adam. It took the last Adam to undo what the first Adam did. When He was sinless(I mean before He was imputed our sins, yet He never committed one sin), no one could lay a hand on Him to harm Him. After He drank of that most bitter cup, it was then, and only then, they could take hold of Him.

If the Christ would have lived to a ripe old age, would He have died? Here's the thing, we don't need to go by what if's but what actually took place. He ingested our sins, became sin, and died after He became sin.






The wages of sin is death, both physical and spiritual. That's why we are born dead in sin, and die later on. Through no effort of our own, we will die because of what Adam did.



And if they had eaten of the Tree of Life, eternal life would be through it and not the Christ. That was God's plan all along. That life eternal life would not come by eating from a Tree, but by eating from One who hung upon a tree.
If physical death is directly linked to sin, why do animals die?

If Adam needed to eat from the tree of life to live forever, why do you think he was immortal before?
 

SovereignGrace

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If physical death is directly linked to sin, why do animals die?
I think the fall affected the whole earth. It didn't seem the animals were afraid of Adam, either. But this conjecture on my part here.

If Adam needed to eat from the tree of life to live forever, why do you think he was immortal before?
When Adam fell, it caused him, and conversely us, to not have access to the Tree of Life. Notice Adam's federal headship in the fall. When Eve ate, she gave it to Adam, and after he ate, both their eyes were opened. It caused Eve to fall as well. Through no fault of our own, we have been denied access to that Tree of Life. But praise God, through faith, we have access to the Christ via faith...the Tree of Life typified the Christ to come, that whosoever eats of Him will live forever.
 
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If physical death is directly linked to sin, why do animals die?

If Adam needed to eat from the tree of life to live forever, why do you think he was immortal before?
Mankind alone was created in the image and likeness of God. The angels and other creation as beast of the field (created from dust) are not subject to salvation. It was never his intention to be s a savor for them. They would not be seen as members of His bride, the church.

The tree of life represented Christ. Understanding how we eat and drink of Him spiritually by faith is the kind of food Adam and Eve gave up to do the will of another in the form of a creature. That provided instant gratification. No work of trusting the unseen will.

Christians are represented as green trees. He uses trees in many of the parables

Christ is the tree of life . In doing the will of the father we have eaten the food the disciples knew not of.

But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.oh 4:32


Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation: Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven,And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.
Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full. Psa 78:22
 

trofimus

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I think the fall affected the whole earth. It didn't seem the animals were afraid of Adam, either. But this conjecture on my part here.



When Adam fell, it caused him, and conversely us, to not have access to the Tree of Life. Notice Adam's federal headship in the fall. When Eve ate, she gave it to Adam, and after he ate, both their eyes were opened. It caused Eve to fall as well. Through no fault of our own, we have been denied access to that Tree of Life. But praise God, through faith, we have access to the Christ via faith...the Tree of Life typified the Christ to come, that whosoever eats of Him will live forever.
I still do not see in the Bible that the physical death is directly linked to sin in a meaning that without a sin they would live forever and nothing could hurt them.

The fall would be another creation, everything would have to be rearranged in the animal kingdom, in our bodies, in our planet or even in the Universe.
I do not see this in Scriptures.
 

SovereignGrace

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I still do not see in the Bible that the physical death is directly linked to sin in a meaning that without a sin they would live forever and nothing could hurt them.

The fall would be another creation, everything would have to be rearranged in the animal kingdom, in our bodies, in our planet or even in the Universe.
I do not see this in Scriptures.
The fall caused them to be denied access to the Tree of Life.
 

trofimus

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The fall caused them to be denied access to the Tree of Life.
Bible says that one eating from the tree of life would make them live forever. So I suppose they have not ate from the tree ever.

When I use logic, that tree would transform them to be spiritual beings like Jesus after ressurection. Nothing biological can be immortal.

Animals did not have any such tree thats why they were always mortal.
 
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preacher4truth

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What Bible verses do you have in mind?
Well, first off, you're begging the question bro.

It's apparent to me at least and via deducing from Genesis 3:17-18 and Romans 8:22ff that the creation is under a curse. The whole creation is groaning, and awaiting redemption. The awaiting redemption piece in context shows both earth and saved man look forward to this. Since this is the case it is a given the creation is not in its same state as it were at its creation. The cursing of the ground is also telltale as to this in Genesis.
 
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I still do not see in the Bible that the physical death is directly linked to sin in a meaning that without a sin they would live forever and nothing could hurt them.

The fall would be another creation, everything would have to be rearranged in the animal kingdom, in our bodies, in our planet or even in the Universe.
I do not see this in Scriptures.

The fall is the rendering of his promise.. "You will surely die."

God corrupted the whole creation subjecting it to aging, decaying leading towards destruction and returning to the now corrupted elements and rudiments of this cursed creation.

What we see is not what we will receive. Those things will nor be remembered or ever come to mind

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
 
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