For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation


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Josh321

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Numbers 15:14-15

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14 And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto theLord; as ye do, so he shall do.
15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.



Stranger = gentiles hmmmmm just give it a thought
hmm never knew we were still required to do burnt offerings? i think we should get back to the present time
 
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also doesn't the bible have to the say the same thing all the time? i'm sure it won't say meant for all israel one place and something else the other place just something to consider atleast.

hmmm because you do not understand it lets see

[h=3]Deuteronomy 6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which theLord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the Lord God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

hmmm apply your principle lets see this should only apply to Israel hmmmm how ironic :rolleyes:


Does this apply to the gentiles back then why or why not ?

Does it appy to the gentiles today ?
 

Josh321

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Still waiting on the hounour your parents verse before the law was given at mt sinai

please i am still waiting hmmm you should have found it by now
christianity is based upon love, where would love be in dishonoring your parents?
 

Josh321

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hmmm because you do not understand it lets see

Deuteronomy 6

King James Version (KJV)

1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which theLord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the Lord God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

hmmm apply your principle lets see this should only apply to Israel hmmmm how ironic :rolleyes:


Does this apply to the gentiles back then why or why not ?

Does it appy to the gentiles today ?
Love and fear of the lord comes through the holy spirit, love for God is earned through the holy spirit
 
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you didn't anwser my question though and in order to anwser your question i'm gonna show you WHY THE LAW WASN'T GIVEN TO US IN THE FIRST PLACE Romans 2:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

so you wanna know what God did because of this? he died for our sins and salvation so that when we accept him we RECEIVE AN ENTIRELY NEW NATURE that is all that is required of us TO ACCEPT christ change our nature in christ Jesus if you really understood this a word about sabbath wouldn't even come out of your mouth because you would know exactly what this means, i'm still waiting for an anwser if possible
I thought I could help you use your intellect, by following through what I wrote, so you could answer your own question. God is your God, not just a God for a small group of people, and God explains you are included. You say God is only for Israel, but that isn't true, God is for you, too. Christ came for all people. When we accept a new nature it does not make us perfect saints, incapable of any sin ever again. Our new nature includes that we are given choice while we live on this earth. With our new nature, we are still asked to obey God.

You can obey law, as many do who do not believe in God, obedience needs to include love and understanding of God.



The word Sabbath can come our of the mouth of people who love the Lord. In fact, it is likely to. Why are you judging me as a wrong person because I say this word? Judging people is not Christian.
 

Josh321

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i'm still waiting for your anwser though why does the bible say the commandments was commanded to all israel, and according to you your trying to say that it was also meant for us who really is doing the contradictions here?
 

Josh321

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I thought I could help you use your intellect, by following through what I wrote, so you could answer your own question. God is your God, not just a God for a small group of people, and God explains you are included. You say God is only for Israel, but that isn't true, God is for you, too. Christ came for all people. When we accept a new nature it does not make us perfect saints, incapable of any sin ever again. Our new nature includes that we are given choice while we live on this earth. With our new nature, we are still asked to obey God.

You can obey law, as many do who do not believe in God, obedience needs to include love and understanding of God.



The word Sabbath can come our of the mouth of people who love the Lord. In fact, it is likely to. Why are you judging me as a wrong person because I say this word? Judging people is not Christian.
I never said God is only for Israel, alll.. i'm trying to do... is to show all of you, that the commandments were commanded to and for israel alone and because US the gentiles have a sinful nature which means we can't help it God came and died for us to save us and give us a new nature through the holy spirit
 

Josh321

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why would the bible say that us the gentiles which have not the law( notice it said THE law not A law) do the things by nature contained in the law( which means it's in our DNA to GO AGAINST THE COMMANDMENTS, i mean it's kinda straight forward of what our Job is, we are alienated from christ because of Sin, and the bible said we have not the law, so if we wanna get close to God what must we do? not receive the holy spirit and gain a new nature that only thinks about what christ would want?
 
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why would the bible say that us the gentiles which have not the law( notice it said THE law not A law) do the things by nature contained in the law( which means it's in our DNA to GO AGAINST THE COMMANDMENTS, i mean it's kinda straight forward of what our Job is, we are alienated from christ because of Sin, and the bible said we have not the law, so if we wanna get close to God what must we do? not receive the holy spirit and gain a new nature that only thinks about what christ would want?
I think you may have it backwards. The gentiles who by nature do the things in the law means that they obey the law apart from the letters of the law because the spirit bears witness with their conscience.
 

Josh321

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I think you may have it backwards. The gentiles who by nature do the things in the law means that they obey the law apart from the letters of the law because the spirit bears witness with their conscience.
yes our conscience bear witness that we are doing something wrong but it's exactly what it says though take a look at the world and take a look at the law what do you see? the break it constantly everyday and can't help it most obvious one is do not take the lord's name in vain i've seen even muslims do this without helping themselves they would say " Je*** Ch*** that shirt looks nice or shoes look nice, you know what i mean?
 
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hmm never knew we were still required to do burnt offerings? i think we should get back to the present time

the point is one law were the gentiles to offere burnt offering also wait hmmm that was for Israel alone the law right hmmm
 
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i'm still waiting for your anwser though why does the bible say the commandments was commanded to all israel, and according to you your trying to say that it was also meant for us who really is doing the contradictions here?
i wil answer when you answer why all mankind must obey their parents because you are evading the question
what about tous shall not kill hmmm cain was not a Jew oppps neither was Abram opps there goes another bliunder in your doctrine

Hmm what does the term Isarel means lets go with your reasonining All Israel ok

who is Isarael ?
 
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why would the bible say that us the gentiles which have not the law( notice it said THE law not A law) do the things by nature contained in the law( which means it's in our DNA to GO AGAINST THE COMMANDMENTS, i mean it's kinda straight forward of what our Job is, we are alienated from christ because of Sin, and the bible said we have not the law, so if we wanna get close to God what must we do? not receive the holy spirit and gain a new nature that only thinks about what christ would want?

Do tribes like he Arawaks had the bible ? Did they do some of the things in the law hmmm like obey your parents thou shall not steal etc
 
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HMM So why didn't Paul make a very strong case for slaves obeying the Sabbath but made the case for slaves obeying their masters? If salvation is dependent on obeying the Sabbath why didn't Paul tell the slaves they would have to make that choice,knowing that for them if they disobeyed their masters they could be beaten and possibly killed for that disobedience? :confused:
 
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I never said God is only for Israel, alll.. i'm trying to do... is to show all of you, that the commandments were commanded to and for israel alone and because US the gentiles have a sinful nature which means we can't help it God came and died for us to save us and give us a new nature through the holy spirit

you are a joker all have sinned hmm i wonder if Jesus died only for the gentiles
 
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HMM So why didn't Paul make a very strong case for slaves obeying the Sabbath but made the case for slaves obeying their masters? If salvation is dependent on obeying the Sabbath why didn't Paul tell the slaves they would have to make that choice,knowing that for them if they disobeyed their masters they could be beaten and possibly killed for that disobedience? :confused:

lets see if you make any sense at all with your futile reasoning hmmm if the slave master worship idols oops the slave were to worship idols also right hmmm just a thought
 
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HMM So why didn't Paul make a very strong case for slaves obeying the Sabbath but made the case for slaves obeying their masters? If salvation is dependent on obeying the Sabbath why didn't Paul tell the slaves they would have to make that choice,knowing that for them if they disobeyed their masters they could be beaten and possibly killed for that disobedience? :confused:
Acts 5:29Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men
 

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does disobedience effect our salvation or standing with God?
 
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lets see if you make any sense at all with your futile reasoning hmmm if the slave master worship idols oops the slave were to worship idols also right hmmm just a thought
Sorry Paul does talk about all the rest of that. Paul speaks about all the rest of the commandments. So sorry it's your reasoning that is faulty that Paul does not mention idolatry. Paul is very clear about idolatry.