For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation


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Sorry Paul does talk about all the rest of that. Paul speaks about all the rest of the commandments. So sorry it's your reasoning that is faulty that Paul does not mention idolatry. Paul is very clear about idolatry.
Did he say keep the sabbath ?
 
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Paul wrote this

1 Corinthians 6

7 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

John says this

Revelation 21

8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.This is the second death.”

Again idolatry is covered but where in there so they say the Sabbath?
 

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HMM So why didn't Paul make a very strong case for slaves obeying the Sabbath but made the case for slaves obeying their masters? If salvation is dependent on obeying the Sabbath why didn't Paul tell the slaves they would have to make that choice,knowing that for them if they disobeyed their masters they could be beaten and possibly killed for that disobedience? :confused:

Master steals hmm do all things right


Colossians 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;


Does he mention slaves go to church on a sunday ?
 

gotime

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A lack of the obedience of faith and love definitely affects our relationship with GOD.
ok help me understand your point here, what do you mean when you say, "obedience of faith and love"?

Thanx
 

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Salvation is by the grace of God.

By accepting Christ as my savior I follow all His teachings to the best I can.

However I obey and honor The Lord because He loves me so much that He sent His Son to die so I may live.
my salvation is in Christ alone.
no amount of obedience can save me, only Christ can do that...

I am obedient because I love Him to the best of my ability. Doing my best to love as He loves me.
I am but a lamb and He is The Good Shepard

Just like I love all of you
peace be with you,
lexi
 
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The people who think they have all these great arguments against the Sabbath aka commandment of God. are just using straw man argument that hold no water. Notice how they avoid the foundational questions.

They wont admit that the first Sabbath was given by God before sin came into the world because it debunks their straw men, so they don't answer. they wont acknowledge that the 4th commandment points to the 7th day of Creation for its meaning and observance because again it destroys their arguments.

They have nothing but tradition to rely on. Don't get me wrong there are many God fearing people who do not keep the Sabbath of God. I speak of those who think they know but wont address the whole scripture honestly.

that is so true i ask shew me a commandment that says we must obey our parents as given at Mt sinai
hmm well you know i am still waiting . yet they say the law was only given at Mt Sinai hmm they are so even loking for the straw to even hold
 
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Salvation is by the grace of God.

By accepting Christ as my savior I follow all His teachings to the best I can.

However I obey and honor The Lord because He loves me so much that He sent His Son to die so I may live.
my salvation is in Christ alone.
no amount of obedience can save me, only Christ can do that...

I am obedient because I love Him to the best of my ability. Doing my best to love as He loves me.
I am but a lamb and He is The Good Shepard

Just like I love all of you
peace be with you,
lexi
Since you are saved by Grace can disobedience make you not save or lost ?
 
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Paul wrote this

1 Corinthians 6

7 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

John says this

Revelation 21

8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.This is the second death.”

Again idolatry is covered but where in there so they say the Sabbath?

Where in the ten commandements speaks about drukeness ?

Arent some of these sins you quoted part of breaking of the ten commandments

Is dishonouring your parents mentioned in the verse or taking God name in vain ? Why
 
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Master steals hmm do all things right


Colossians 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;


Does he mention slaves go to church on a sunday ?

What does going to church on Sunday have to do with the SABBATH in the first place? Go to church is a gathering of the believers on the first day of the week. THE SABBATH WAS A DAY OF REST it was not set aside as a day of gathering together of believers. Under the Mosaic law you were NOT SUPPOSE TO GO ANYWHERE.

Exodus 16

28 Then the Lord said to Moses, “How long will you[c]refuse to keep my commands and my instructions? 29 Bear in mind that the Lord has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where they are on the seventh day; no one is to go out.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.


So please tell me where it's OK to go out on the day that you observe the Sabbath? No where did God say it was NOT OK to for believers to gather together on the first day of the week. But you do have that restriction for the Sabbath itself.




 
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Wow, just an observation. The poll herosefromthedead started has like 6 replies where this thread has 200. Guess this is the one that the devil is so mad about. I think the devil do not like sabbath keepers....just another thought, the ark of the covenant contains the 10 commandments which should be written on your hearts. Furthermore, Jesus said to do them, yet the rebellious will always be the rebellious. The ark is in heaven, if it's not written on your heart as well, that might be a problem.

The wisdom of Solomon concluded the matter, Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Ecc12:13
 
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ok help me understand your point here, what do you mean when you say, "obedience of faith and love"?
And this is [GOD's] commandment: that we believe into the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he commanded us. 1 John 3:23​
 
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HMM So why didn't Paul make a very strong case for slaves obeying the Sabbath but made the case for slaves obeying their masters? If salvation is dependent on obeying the Sabbath why didn't Paul tell the slaves they would have to make that choice,knowing that for them if they disobeyed their masters they could be beaten and possibly killed for that disobedience? :confused:
Every person, those who believe we should and those who believe we should not obey keep repeating over and over and over that it takes Christ for salvation, yet here you are again with the "salvation dependent on obeying Sabbath! Please repeat after me "Christ" "Christ", and again. Everyone is agreed on this.

No one obeys simply to obtain salvation. No one.
 

alexis

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Since you are saved by Grace can disobedience make you not save or lost ?
Not to be mean but I feel the point is missed.

Since I am saved by grace and His grace alone. I honor and obey Him. Why would I not honor and obey Him when He sacrificed so much so I may be saved?

I observe The Sabbath! because it is Holy and pleasing to God. Christ taught me to love Him and how could I not obey and honor He whom I love?

However, does my obedience affect my salvation is the question. Nope salvation is a gift from God by His grace alone am I saved. In a roundabout way to accept Him in my mind means I must obey Him and please Him. Not because He said but because I should obey and honor the ones I love.

So again...

Salvation is by the grace of God.

By accepting Christ as my savior I follow all His teachings to the best I can.

However I obey and honor The Lord because He loves me so much that He sent His Son to die so I may live.
my salvation is in Christ alone.
no amount of obedience can save me, only Christ can do that...

I am obedient because I love Him to the best of my ability. Doing my best to love as He loves me.
I am but a lamb and He is The Good Shepard

Just like I love all of you
peace be with you,
lexi
 
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that is so true i ask shew me a commandment that says we must obey our parents as given at Mt sinai
hmm well you know i am still waiting . yet they say the law was only given at Mt Sinai hmm they are so even loking for the straw to even hold
Sorry Paul writes children are to obey their parents also,husbands are to love their wives and wives are to respect their husbands.


Try Ephesians 6

6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”[a]
 
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Wow, just an observation. The poll herosefromthedead started has like 6 replies where this thread has 200. Guess this is the one that the devil is so mad about. I think the devil do not like sabbath keepers....just another thought, the ark of the covenant contains the 10 commandments which should be written on your hearts. Furthermore, Jesus said to do them, yet the rebellious will always be the rebellious. The ark is in heaven, if it's not written on your heart as well, that might be a problem.

The wisdom of Solomon concluded the matter, Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Ecc12:13

looks like the ark is in heaven and wow has the ten commandments in it hmmmm but Sunday keepers will say nayyyyy

[h=3]Revelation 11:19[/h]King James Version (KJV)

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
 
Dec 26, 2012
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Every person, those who believe we should and those who believe we should not obey keep repeating over and over and over that it takes Christ for salvation, yet here you are again with the "salvation dependent on obeying Sabbath! Please repeat after me "Christ" "Christ", and again. Everyone is agreed on this.

No one obeys simply to obtain salvation. No one.
Sorry Red,

But there are those who do say salvation is DEPENDENT on obeying the Sabbath. You are making a general statement that is just not true.
 
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Sorry Paul writes children are to obey their parents also,husbands are to love their wives and wives are to respect their husbands.


Try Ephesians 6

6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise—3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”[a]


Sorry you dont get the point you qouted oone verse to speak about slaves not keeping sabbath but have to go to other verse to say that other commandments are to be kept not the verse that you first mentioned hmmmmm

naughty naughty you should be consistant but here is a verse you should alsoo explain be able tp me
[h=3]Hebrews 4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 
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Sorry Paul writes children are to obey their parents also,husbands are to love their wives and wives are to respect their husbands.


Try Ephesians 6

6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise—3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”[a]

Could you disobey your parents and it is right
 
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Sorry Red,

But there are those who do say salvation is DEPENDENT on obeying the Sabbath. You are making a general statement that is just not true.
Is salvation dependant on not keeping Sunday ?