For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?
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Obviously you've never stopped to consider the impracticality and logistical problems a literal interpretation of this verse entails. Everyone in the world traveling to Jerusalem every week to keep sabbath? Do you not realize how impossible and ridiculous that would be? So obviously Isaiah's prophecy is figurative language (something the prophets excelled in) for this:
Jesus said to her, “Believe me, woman, that an hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because salvation is out of the Judeans. But an hour is coming—and now is here—when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for indeed the Father seeks such people to be his worshipers. God is spirit, and the ones who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:21-24
All flesh are coming to worship by means of death.
John 9:4
4* I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Why? Because it takes death (either of the physical body or the carnal mind) in order for man to finally rest from his labors.
Leviticus 26:31-35
31* And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours
32* And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
33* And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
34* [BIThen shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. [/B]
35* As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths when ye dwelt upon it.
The land is not resting during what we call sabbaths, therefore it rests when we die.
Again we have enough for all to rest, but we continue to labor unto death arguing about saturday or sunday when both go back to work on monday!
Revelation 14:13
13* And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
John 9:4
4* I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Why? Because it takes death (either of the physical body or the carnal mind) in order for man to finally rest from his labors.
Leviticus 26:31-35
31* And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours
32* And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
33* And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
34* [BIThen shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. [/B]
35* As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths when ye dwelt upon it.
The land is not resting during what we call sabbaths, therefore it rests when we die.
Again we have enough for all to rest, but we continue to labor unto death arguing about saturday or sunday when both go back to work on monday!
Revelation 14:13
13* And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Yes what a logistical and impractical thing it would be to keep the Sabbath. Huh?
By the way, it does not say that they will come before God in Jerusalem, they will come before God. We do the same thing when we kneel in prayer today, we actually come before the Throne of God...
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Is this impractical and logistically impossible?
How about worship services? You really don't think we are coming before God to worship?
So when ALL flesh worships before God on the SABBATH in the Millenium it is impractical and logistically impossible?
You were right Isdaniel.
By the way, it does not say that they will come before God in Jerusalem, they will come before God. We do the same thing when we kneel in prayer today, we actually come before the Throne of God...
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Is this impractical and logistically impossible?
How about worship services? You really don't think we are coming before God to worship?
So when ALL flesh worships before God on the SABBATH in the Millenium it is impractical and logistically impossible?
You were right Isdaniel.
That’s your law because it’s your contract. You’ve taken the old national contract and put yourself in the place of God and modified it to suit your own convenience to create your own contract.
So I’m telling people to disobey you and ignore your contract. I’m telling people to not obey someone who is pompous enough to put themselves in the place of God and starts creating their own contracts.. Someone who doesn’t know the difference between God’s law, that is spirit, and a contract that they themselves have made up. And the reason why you can’t tell the difference is because you are held under bondage to an earthly contract that you yourself have made up. And you are trying to drag others under that same bondage.
So I’m telling people to disobey you and ignore your contract. I’m telling people to not obey someone who is pompous enough to put themselves in the place of God and starts creating their own contracts.. Someone who doesn’t know the difference between God’s law, that is spirit, and a contract that they themselves have made up. And the reason why you can’t tell the difference is because you are held under bondage to an earthly contract that you yourself have made up. And you are trying to drag others under that same bondage.
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To answer the OP, since I have learned the truth, it has indeed set me free. I will do and teach what Christ commanded. Worship not after the beast, nor after man's false doctrine. Listen to Christ, and follow His example, which was to follow the law both in spirit and truth, with heart and hand, to do. His law is not grievous, not to be argued over with malice, but with love. If you love Christ, you will keep His commandments.
But my rebuttal was aimed at the false notion perpetuated by not a few that the law to observe sabbaths is still valid based on a literal interpretation of the Isaiah prophecy. As usual, you pick and choose which parts you want to interpret literally (weekly sabbaths, not resting in the faith of Christ every day), and which parts you want to interpret figuratively (in spirit, not in Jerusalem).
Many are trapped within the flesh and are held in bondage to the imagery that they have created within their own minds which is idolatry. When they see the words “commandments” or “laws” they are searching for a physical document that has a set of human handwritten instructions on it and then this becomes their self-created image that they have set up within their own minds. They are unable to comprehend things, which they cannot create an image for within their minds…things of the invisible spirit.
You are asking me to give you a lot of bible teaching. First, read the first chapter of Genesis. Understand that the first day of creation was to create light, and the word translated light is spiritual light. This was added to spiritual darkness already here. You will find that man was created in His image, in Genesis. Next go to psalm 121:1 where David says lift up his eyes to the hills. David is talking about spiritual hills, but our physical hills represent that.
The bible uses earth and earthly, also, to tell us of our fleshly self that is opposed to the spiritual. That is a different aspect of earth. We are to keep our minds on the majesty and beauty of earth, not the darkness that is also part of earth.
The bible uses earth and earthly, also, to tell us of our fleshly self that is opposed to the spiritual. That is a different aspect of earth. We are to keep our minds on the majesty and beauty of earth, not the darkness that is also part of earth.
Since the moment God put His Holy Spirit in me, it has been my desire to obey Him and to please Him after He enlightened me about His Only Son. Now, I have not been perfect on the Way, but He sees me as perfect, wretched one that I am. It is not an image in my head to have great love and desire to please my Father Who loved me first and is faithful and true to each of us. Is it wrong to want to be faithful and true to Him, as much as we are able? The very least we can do is do our best to obey His desires for our behavior. It should not be a burden to anyone who loves.
And there is your problem, you have heard this from someone, but not from teh Scriptures...
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
spoken by God Almighty and...
Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deu 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.
written with the finger of God. Not a set of human handwritten instruction but the Law of Almighty God. You don't have to keep them, but at least acknowlege who gave them.
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
spoken by God Almighty and...
Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deu 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.
written with the finger of God. Not a set of human handwritten instruction but the Law of Almighty God. You don't have to keep them, but at least acknowlege who gave them.
[h=3]Exodus 24:10-12[/h]King James Version (KJV)
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.
12 And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
Ever wonder why God created the sky blue hmmmmmm think think think thou gracekeeper
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.
12 And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
Ever wonder why God created the sky blue hmmmmmm think think think thou gracekeeper