I asked you one time a while back and got no reply so I’m asking you again…. where does it say or where does God say the “earth” was created in God’s image?
For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?
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I asked you one time a while back and got no reply so I’m asking you again…. where does it say or where does God say the “earth” was created in God’s image?
Sorry Laodicea, but the fruit of salvation is and has always been LOVE. Jesus point blank says they will know you are His disciples by the love you have one for another. The sum of the law and the prophets is LOVE. The first of the Holy Spirit is LOVE. John says if you hate your brother and sister whom you have seen you can not love the Father whom you have not seen. Paul says without love you have nothing. You can give away all money,know all things,have the tongues of men and angels but without love it is NOTHING.
But to take it even further,it's not just how one treats their friends and loved ones. It goes so deep into how one loves their ENEMIES. It goes into whether one actually shows the same type of COMPASSION for gays,lesbians and transgenders that Jesus had for the thief on the cross,the woman CAUGHT in adultery,the woman at the well who had five husbands and was now shacking up with a man who was NOT her husband. How about forgiving in the same manner that Jesus did after being being beaten nearly to dead and WHILE having spikes pounded into His hands and feet and FORGIVING them.
How about that new guy at work who hasn't worked in months? Do we take him a bag of groceries? How about helping him with his electric bill? How about that new gal at work who has very few clothes do we take some of the extra clothes we have and give them to her? How the guy that lost his wife and job and has no transportation? Do we give him that extra car we're not using? How about those of us who have land? Do we put in a garden and give away what we have grown or do we put it all into the lawn? Is the true mark of His love in our life is how we deal with these people or is it really all about a day of the week?
Not sure why it can not be all and more.
Heavenly Father said those that Love Him Keep His Commandments.
The Messiah said those that Love Him Keep His Commandments.
My belief is the Messiah Teaches us :
Matthew 5
John 14
Why then didn't any of the apostles ever go into observing the Sabbath with the Gentiles? The Gentiles were never given the Sabbath. Why didn't Paul say one word to the Gentiles on something they were never taught? So why didn't he teach them anything in his writings about the Sabbath? Why is Paul silent on the Sabbath to all the Gentile churches? It makes no sense that if it was IMPORTANT to do so why does he specifically leave it out when writing to the gentile churches? He restates all the rest of the commandments of the 10 commandments and Christ's commands but not the Sabbath commands. If it is so important to salvation why does he leave it out to the gentile churches? Does it make sense when the gentiles were never given the Sabbath in the first place? Why doesn't Paul take the time to teach them about it?
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Tintin
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You're correct. Humans have been made in the image of God but the earth wasn't.
Food for thought on man being made in God's image. It is obvious the image is the spirit from study of the Word. Come eternity there is no free, no slave, no male, no female, etc. Yet, we are all made in the image of God. It is wonderful to know this. Now for all of God's children to learn to look at the content and not the container. Sorry, off-OP
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Laodicea
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1 John 5:3 KJV
(3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
John 14:15 KJV
(15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Keeping the commandments is a demonstration of love of the Father. When we truly love the Father there is no room for hatiing our brother. If we fulfill the law in loving all, then there is no fault in obeying the Father. There is wrong doing in disobeying the Father, and teaching against obeying His will.
But again the Sabbath was NOT given to the Gentiles. Paul does not speak to the Gentile churches on it at all except here
Colossians 2
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come;the reality, however, is found in Christ.18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you.Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
This is in agreement with what the Bible said the Sabbath was given as which is a sign between God and the nation of Israel. And again Paul being concerned about the Gentiles,why does he not say one other word about it,yet he is writing to many who are SLAVES to unbelievers who would NOT observe the Sabbath and yet Paul says not a word to them about being very careful about observing the Sabbath,even though he would know that the slaves would be required to work on a Sabbath. Why would Paul leave that out to those slaves if it was required for salvation?
Paul is very clear then when one does those things we are to do them as unto the Lord and neither side is to judge the other on whether the Sabbath is observed or not. Paul again says it is a SHADOW of the things to come and the reality is IN CHRIST.
I have kept the Feasts of God since 1969. There are some Laws we cannot keep today (they require a Temple and a Priesthood, oh wait, we have ONE).
You are correct here, I cannot keep them perfectly. (Rom 3:23)
Yes, I do. I certainly do. If not for the mercy and forgiveness of God, I would have to die (Rom6:23).
Psa 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
Psa 130:4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.
Lam 3:22 It is of the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
Lam 3:23 They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.
Who says I am under the Old Covenant? And I need God's mercy and grace every single day...
Luk 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Now show me where God says, don't worry fellow, I'll just do away with the Law. Nope, He doesn't do that, instead He forgives the man for breaking His Law. Why? The point of the parable is that the man's attitude was of humble sorrow adn repentance. This is what God really seeks.
Isa 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
Exo 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
Notice the word fear in this sentence...
H3374
יראה
yir'âh
yir-aw'
Feminine of H3373; fear (also used as infinitive); morally reverence: - X dreadful, X exceedingly, fear (-fulness).
It can mean two things: to reverence God and to actually fear Him. Why would we ever fear God?
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Wilfully sinning (Rom 7:7 & I John 3:4, breaking the Law) brings a penalty none of us can afford to pay.
As far as shoving it down the throats of others, what you do is a personal choice. I feel it my duty to make you aware of the truth, how you respond is solely up to you.
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Opinion stated as fact. Show me the scriptures that say Christ fulfilled all Covenants that God made with Israel.
I think Adam and Eve steal , covet,commited idolitry, Dishonour their parents .
Many may not agree with me but Eve lied or decieved Adam into taking the fruit her eyes were opened first thus she knew evil and what she did was wrong . But not Adam poor man was decieved by her.
note not the devil but by Eve
God shewed them grace and mercy the lamb He slained represented Jesus thus grace were imparted
but i could be wrong but this is what i understand
They actually broke the first one. They had a god before God. They folllowed the nachash instead of God. They made an idol of the fruit. They pretty muc broke them all.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
They knew what sin was because they knew the Law of God. God's definition of sin doesn't change every whipstitch. Joseph knew the Commandments because they were passed down to him...
Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Now what did he command hsi children? Any way to know?
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
God doesn't change. If He did change as you claim, how would we know He hasn't changed His mind several times since the Bible was completed in 96AD?
Good insight. For some reason the grace and faith only crowd seem to think that the God that appeared to Israel was a harsh, cruel God that struck people dead all the time. He was stern and inflexible without any forgiveness. This is the exact opposite.
The God who appeared to Israel is the same one who became Jesus Christ and His desire was for their good...
Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Deu 6:24 And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.
God commanded them to obey Him, fear (revere, hold in awe and deep respect) Him for the good of the people.
Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
I have yet to have anyone show me what is detrimental or wrong with keeping the Commandments. You want some heartache and misery? Go commit adultery and see how well that works out. Steal from your boss or your neighbors and see how that works out for you. Bow down to idols or serve another God and see how that works out. If the Law is done away, then none of these should bring a penalty but please don't try this at home. You really don't want what this will bring.
An even more insidious and destructive thing to do is to encourage others break the Law.
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Have not been in here awhile. thought I would check it out. I am actually amazed that we have 7 "I am not sures"... I did not know salvation was such a hard subject to understand.
But again the Sabbath was NOT given to the Gentiles. Paul does not speak to the Gentile churches on it at all except here
Colossians 2
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come;the reality, however, is found in Christ.18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you.Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
This is in agreement with what the Bible said the Sabbath was given as which is a sign between God and the nation of Israel. And again Paul being concerned about the Gentiles,why does he not say one other word about it,yet he is writing to many who are SLAVES to unbelievers who would NOT observe the Sabbath and yet Paul says not a word to them about being very careful about observing the Sabbath,even though he would know that the slaves would be required to work on a Sabbath. Why would Paul leave that out to those slaves if it was required for salvation?
Paul is very clear then when one does those things we are to do them as unto the Lord and neither side is to judge the other on whether the Sabbath is observed or not. Paul again says it is a SHADOW of the things to come and the reality is IN CHRIST.
Paul did speak to the Gentile churches on the Sabbath...
In Antioch...
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
That would be the Gentile city of Antioch.
In Phillipi...
Act 16:12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
Act 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat
In Thessalonica...
Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Paul's manner was the Sabbath.
In Corinth...
Act 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
Act 18:2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome
and came unto them. Act 18:3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Every week on the Sabbath.
Now if Paul really did not keep the Sabbath...
Act 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
Act 23:9 And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.
do you think these guys would have said they found no evil in Paul? They would have stoned him on the spot if he broke the Sabbath and taught others to.
hang on...what were the jews doing at synagogue on the sabbath?
Exodus 16
22On the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers each. And when all the leaders of the congregation came and told Moses, 23he said to them, “This is what the LORD has commanded: ‘Tomorrow is a day of solemn rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD; bake what you will bake and boil what you will boil, and all that is left over lay aside to be kept till the morning.’” 24So they laid it aside till the morning, as Moses commanded them, and it did not stink, and there were no worms in it. 25Moses said, “Eat it today, for today is a Sabbath to the LORD; today you will not find it in the field. 26Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, which is a Sabbath, there will be none.”
27On the seventh day some of the people went out to gather, but they found none. 28And the LORD said to Moses, “How long will you refuse to keep my commandments and my laws? 29 See! The LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.