For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[2Thewaters]

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.
John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall show it unto you.
John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

 

[RuthHannah]

from your source (emphases theirs):

"Does this mean that Paul discards the Law of God? No, absolutely not. “God forbid!” The law is designed to kill us so that it produces an inward desire to live to God instead of for our self. It is through the law that we realize that we are sinners. This is what it is supposed to do, and for that, it is good.

Romans 7:11-12 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Paul then teaches that because the law kills him by exposing his sin that the desire to keep the Law of God and desire to hate the law of sin is the natural result in our faith:

Romans 7:13-25 “Has then what is good (Law of God) become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good (Law of God), so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what Ihate,thatI do.

If,then,IdowhatIwillnottodo,Iagreewiththelawthatitisgood. Butnow,itis no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I willtodo,Idonotdo;buttheevilIwillnottodo,thatIpractice.

NowifIdowhatIwillnottodo,itisno longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God— through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.”

With this, we realize that Paul is certainly not teaching against the Law of God in Galatians 2:19, but describing the correct process that the Law of God is to serve, a process that has been perverted and twisted by the Circumcision Party.

Galatians 2:19 "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God (serve the Law of God).

Paul explains the Law of God in this way for a very important reason. The Circumcision Party reads God’s law and simply does God’s law to boast outwardly. Without faith God simply does not recognize such works as obedience, but instead men’s faulty religious systems under the guise of God’s ways.

Paul’s point is to prove that God’s law is designed to convict us by defining and exposing our sin. At that time it is to force us to realize that we are sinners, thus it can not be a means to salvation. God’s law is to point us to the means to salvation (Christ). We then put on the mind of Christ (Romans 7:25; 1 Corinthians 2:16) in our faith, which is serving the Law of God because of our salvation, not for it.

Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

Paul concludes that practicing God’s law for salvation nullifies the grace afforded to us through faith. Righteousness unto salvation is through Christ alone."

- Article Entry | Passion for Truth Ministries


from the same page (earlier):

"Once we are circumcised of the heart, then and only then are we.....to be circumcised in the flesh."

- Article Entry | Passion for Truth Ministries

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Galatians 5
Christ Has Set Us Free
1For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

2Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. 4You are severed from Christ, you who would be justifieda by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

7You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? 8This persuasion is not from him who calls you. 9A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view than mine, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is.

11But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed. 12I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!



who should i believe, WomanLovesTX?

Paul said:

"Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace."

"I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view than mine, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is"

does that concern you at all?

Dear Zone besides the heart being circumcised does the body have to be circumcisrd also ?

 

[2Thewaters]

Amen, even so come Lord Jesus.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It is unbelievable what people will believe
in order not to believe.

Your only question is thie:
Will I leave my church that is in Babylon sunday worship and go home church?
Will God support me?
What else can I do beside being a pastor

answer is
God will bless you and sanctify you
and you will be part of the ones following JEsus
the 144,000 that have faith

I had to do it
it is easy to follow Jesus
to make the Bible king.
Jesus king
Yes Lord it is the truth
this is the way walk ye in it


and your example will save many others who did not have a backbone.

You know, people like you should really be banned for accusing people who worship on Sunday of being of the devil. It's one thing to believe that you should observe the sabbath. It's an entirely different matter when you start condemning other Christians for not following your false SDA doctrine. Plus you are a spammer.

 

[RuthHannah]

You know, people like you should really be banned for accusing people who worship on Sunday of being of the devil. It's one thing to believe that you should observe the sabbath. It's an entirely different matter when you start condemning other Christians for not following your false SDA doctrine. Plus you are a spammer.

Is it wrong to say that JW are worshiping the devil and not God ?

 

[Praus]

PAul also said
when asked about the seventh day Sabbath

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Assuming Paul is the Hebrews author.

Just buy an ARAMAIC english new testimen, Bible which never went through the latin pagan monk adjustments and it says

there reamins the SABBATH DAY for the people of God

and they kept it until 321 ad

There's a few translations of the Peshitta, so I'm not sure which one you're talking about.

The good news is that Aramaic is a Syriac language and I'm a Syrian-American (my grandma even spoke a little Syriac Aramaic), so we'll get to the bottom of this very quickly.

Here is Heb 4:9 from the Peshitta (the Aramaic NT): please advise why the word "day" appears in the text. CC doesn't support left-to-right fonts, so it's in left-to-right format:

ܪܚܶܡܬ݁ ܟ݁ܺܐܢܽܘܬ݂ܳܐ ܘܰܣܢܰܝܬ݁ ܥܰܘܠܳܐ ܡܶܛܽܠ ܗܳܢܳܐ ܡܰܫܚܳܟ݂ ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ ܐܰܠܳܗܳܟ݂ ܡܶܫܚܳܐ ܕ݁ܚܰܕ݂ܽܘܬ݂ܳܐ ܝܰܬ݁ܺܝܪ ܡܶܢ ܚܰܒ݂ܪܰܝܟ݁


Original format Heb 4:9:

 

[zone]

from Passion for Truth Ministries:

"....With this, we realize that Paul is certainly not teaching against the Law of God in Galatians 2:19, but describing the correct process that the Law of God is to serve, a process that has been perverted and twisted by the Circumcision Party.

Galatians 2:19 "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God (serve the Law of God).

...Paul explains the Law of God in this way for a very important reason. The Circumcision Party reads God’s law and simply does God’s law to boast outwardly. Without faith God simply does not recognize such works as obedience, but instead men’s faulty religious systems under the guise of God’s ways.

...Paul concludes that practicing God’s law for salvation nullifies the grace afforded to us through faith. Righteousness unto salvation is through Christ alone."

from the same page (earlier):

"Once we are circumcised of the heart, then and only then are we...to be circumcised in the flesh."

- Article Entry | Passion for Truth Ministries

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did Paul, any Apostle, or Jesus say anywhere:

Once we are circumcised of the heart, then we are...to be circumcised in the flesh?


is Paul talking about the Traditions of Men (the "perversion by The Circumcision Party" who supposedly simply reversed the order of circumcision of the flesh & heart - both of which are expected by the Law of God for all believers (Gentiles), after they received their initial justification by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ)?

- Article Entry | Passion for Truth Ministries < look it up


Galatians 3
Faith or Works of the Law

1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?a 4Have you experiencedb so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”c

7Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”d 9So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”e 11Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”f 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”g 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”h 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

The Law and the Promise

15Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”i meaning one person, who is Christ. 17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Children of God

23Before the coming of this faith,j we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

26So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


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how about here:

Romans 4
Abraham Justified by Faith
1What then shall we say was gained bya Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes inb him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
and whose sins are covered;
8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”

9Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. 10How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. 11He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, 12and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.


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[zone]

Dear Zone besides the heart being circumcised does the body have to be circumcisrd also ?

RuthHannah,
what did Paul say?
did you read it?

 

[RuthHannah]

RuthHannah,
what did Paul say?
did you read it?

What does this mean ? and what time period is this ?

does it apply to the gentiles ? Why or Why not ?

• Ezekiel 44:7In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even myhouse, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.
  
• Ezekiel 44:9Thus saith the Lord God; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

 

[GISMYS]

YES!!! GOD GAVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE RULES TO OBEY REGUARDING HIS TEMPLE AND WHO MAY ENTER,BUT THEY DID NOT OBEY AND JUDGMENT CAME!!! THEIR CHOICE!@

 

[chubbena]

You know, people like you should really be banned for accusing people who worship on Sunday of being of the devil. It's one thing to believe that you should observe the sabbath. It's an entirely different matter when you start condemning other Christians for not following your false SDA doctrine. Plus you are a spammer.

Condemning Sabbath keepers being cultists and keep mocking them are quite alright.
Keep the names coming.

 

[RuthHannah]

RuthHannah,
what did Paul say?
did you read it?

the reason i am asking this is that circumcison was for males was it ?

Therefore it was not for women thus reading the book from a woman perspective how does it apply ?

 

[RuthHannah]

YES!!! GOD GAVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE RULES TO OBEY REGUARDING HIS TEMPLE AND WHO MAY ENTER,BUT THEY DID NOT OBEY AND JUDGMENT CAME!!! THEIR CHOICE!@

What does uncirumcised in flseh there means ?

 

[GISMYS]

Again I say, don’t get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights. 24 A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people. 25 Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth. 26 Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants. 2 TIMOTHY 2:23-26 SILLY QUESTIONS ARE A TRAP SET BY SATAN!

 

[JaumeJ]

Why does anyone say the "Jewish" people did not obey and judgment came; their choice? post 790.

Why do these people suppose we have received the gift of salvation?

Has it not occurred to them that it may be the Father's plan so that not just one people be saved?

Now, the children of Israel, while in the wilderness, were disobedient, and by their disobedience salvation was gained by the nations.

I, for one, am not afraid of being associated with the faith of Abraham, and I am not afraid of saying I do not know exactly what God's plan is for them, but I will love them because God says so, and I always have loved all people, with a special fondness for Jews. None of this is agains Jesus Christ, actually it is from His teaching. God does have His special plan for His chosen people at all levels, so why go against His will.

If we observe the Sabbath of the Lord on the seventh day, we are in His will, for He commanded it be remembered, and to rest with Him.

I believe we are all in agreement when we pray to the Father, thy will be done. Stay in His will, because He tells us to remember the seventh day.

 

[RuthHannah]

Again I say, don’t get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights. 24 A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people. 25 Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth. 26 Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants. 2 TIMOTHY 2:23-26 SILLY QUESTIONS ARE A TRAP SET BY SATASN!

ignorance and arrogance welll okayyyyyy

we all do not know everything and if you dont know its fine

but claiming you know welll huuhh

and just say you dont know someone else will answer me

toodoootooollls

 

[GISMYS]

God made a covenant with Abraham and his descendants. God said to Abram, "I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless." God then explained his part of the covenant — he would be the God of Abraham's descendants and give them the land of Canaan (Genesis 17:1-8); God then further explained Abraham's part of the covenant (verses 10-14). "This is...the covenant you are to keep." Every male was to be circumcised, and this physical rite was to be "the sign of the covenant" with God, and it was "an everlasting covenant." GOD GAVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE SPECIAL RULES!!!

 

[JaumeJ]

God promised Abraham that his descendants would possess the Gate of their enemies. Now their possessing the Gate indicates they are on the inside, while others are on the outside. The way to be inside is to enter through the narrow Gate in order to be with those inside for wide is the way to destruction and many fall into it. I believe Jesus, Yeshua, is the Gate. So what do you suppose we find along with salvation when we enter by the Gate? Now do not freak out, but we will find JEWS.

God made a covenant with Abraham and his descendants. God said to Abram, "I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless." God then explained his part of the covenant — he would be the God of Abraham's descendants and give them the land of Canaan (Genesis 17:1-8); God then further explained Abraham's part of the covenant (verses 10-14). "This is...the covenant you are to keep." Every male was to be circumcised, and this physical rite was to be "the sign of the covenant" with God, and it was "an everlasting covenant." GOD GAVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE SPECIAL RULES!!!

 

[GISMYS]

GOD TELLS US HIS WILL FOR ALL MANKIND!!!==“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that """everyone""" who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21 But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.” JOHN 3:15-21

 

[JaumeJ]

Beware of using the words of Jesus for setting yourself up as a judge to condemnation. Granted we are all to judge for ourselves what is right, otherwise we would be like the hypocrites. Now I know if the circumcised behaves as uncircumcised in the sight of God, he will be counted an unbeliever while the same holds true for those uncircumcised to conduct themselves as circumcised will be countet as faitheful and true, but the final decision about individuals while we are yet in this age is only up to God. It costs nothing to love all people, especially those caretakers of Yahweh's Word. I am grateful to Jews and non-Jews who have kept the Word intact for these many years.

GOD TELLS US HIS WILL FOR ALL MANKIND!!!==“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that """everyone""" who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21 But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.” JOHN 3:15-21