For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation


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Even though I am new testament this forum have made me actually study my bible more
What Isdaniel and John832 is saying seems to make sense 75% of the way but i am getting there
Why would Jesus say that is the only sign ? this debate have made me look at this verse more closely
I am not into the sabbath thing but i honestly think from reading these post so far Jesus did not resurrect on a sunday morning

i always thought the day starts 12am but thanks for the vedio it helped alot

dawn
(dôn)n.1. The time each morning at which daylight first begins.
2. A first appearance; a beginning: the dawn of history. See Synonyms at beginning.

intr.v. dawned, dawn·ing, dawns1. To begin to become light in the morning.
2. To begin to appear or develop; emerge.
3. To begin to be perceived or understood: Realization of the danger soon dawned on us.


I have been looking up the word "Dawn" in the Dictionary.com site and have been investigating this word for over a week now. My question is Can the word Dawn besides meaning daybreak or sunrise. Can it also mean beginning of evening. Like the Dawn of the evening approaches. Dawn everywhere I look up means beginning. The reason I asked is because. I'm trying to prove to a friend that Dawn can mean more than just Sunrise but in fact it can mean sunset as well. I get this Idea from 1600 century English from a verse in the

King James Bible Matt. Chapter 28 Verse 1. In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn (toward the first day of the week), came Mary Magdaline and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

The context of the verse seems that dawn is referring to the beginning of the night.

Because part one of the verse (end of the Sabbath) would mean Saturday afternoon approaching Evening. The 3rd part of the verse says. (Toward the first day of the week) Also referring to coming into the Evening of 6PM Saturday night starting the new week of Sunday or first day.
Keep in mind that the Bible days begin when the sun goes down. Every day begins with sundown, darkness after daytime is never counted as the same day.
 
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When was the other sabbath then ?
Compare these calendars. the first is during the time of Moses, and the second with Jesus' day. They incorporate the Passover, and the feast of tabernacles during the seventh month. Focus on Passover for the answer you desire. There was an annual Sabbath on the 15th day, ad a weekly Sabbath on the 17th day.
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john832

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Exactly, there were two Sabbaths that week, the high day (the First Day of Unleavened Bread) on Thursday and the wekkly Sabbath on Saturday.
 

john832

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When was the other sabbath then ?
Compare these calendars. the first is during the time of Moses, and the second with Jesus' day. They incorporate the Passover, and the feast of tabernacles during the seventh month. Focus on Passover for the answer you desire. There was an annual Sabbath on the 15th day, ad a weekly Sabbath on the 17th day.
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Actually, this is a good calendar to look at. Notice the circled date? That is Wednesday the Passover. Even though the Passover is a Feast day, it is not a Sabbath or a high day...

Lev 23:5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD's Passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.

Notice the Passover is not a Holy Convocation, but the next day is? The Passover was and is called the preparation day for the First Day of Unleavened Bread which was on Thursday in the above calendar. This is the high day mentioned in John 19:31...

Joh 19:31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

So the women could not immmediately embalm (such as it was) the body nor could they purchase the fragrant oils and spices on Thursday...

Remember, He was entombed at/about sunset on Wednesday and at sunset the Sabbath (the high day, the First Day of Unleavened Bread) began. They could not procure or prepare until it was over...

Luk 23:55 And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid.
Luk 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

So they prepared spices and fragrant oils. When did they do that? It was not immediately after the entombment because that was a Sabbath. It then was on Friday the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath...

All businesses normally closed for the Sabbath at the ninth hour of a preparation day, or 3 p.m. This was the exact hour when Jesus died (Matthew 27:46-50). The women could not buy spices until the stores reopened after the Sabbath. Mark 16:1 plainly says, "And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought spices, that they might come and anoint him." - from No Sign-But The Sign of Jonah-Fred Coulter

They waited until after the Sabbath, First Day of Unleavened Bread on Thursday, to buy the spices and fragrant oils.

Then they rested according to the COMMANDMENT...

Luk 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

The fourth Commandment, the weekly Sabbath. Now they come to the tomb Sunday morning, more than three days and three nights to find that He is already gone...

Joh 20:1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
Joh 20:2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him."

He was gone because He was resurrected back to life 72 hours after His entombment at/about sunset on Wednesday, the Passover.

NKJV throughout.
 
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What day did they buy the spices because i was reading that it was a sabbath then they bought spice the they prepare them

What day did this occurr:confused:
 

JaumeJ

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This is why there are Sabbaths for moveable feasts and the Sabbath of the Lord. The Sabbath of the Lord ia always on the seventh day while the Feast Sabbath or Rest Days may be any day of the week.

Yahweh does not make errors, people do. Yeshua was crucifed and was in the tomb for three days. You want to say three days and three nights; this is fine too. Mary came to the tomb the morning of the first day, after the Sabbath of the Lord.........it does not take much effort to figure the rest providing you are aware of the Sabbath of Passover not being the Sabath of the Lord.

Most people will not even consider this because it is too Jewish.....(I do not mean to sound like Jackie Mason.) Those who will consider and learn about it will receive much blessing.
 

john832

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What day did they buy the spices because i was reading that it was a sabbath then they bought spice the they prepare them

What day did this occurr:confused:
Luk 23:50 Now behold, there was a man named Joseph, a council member, a good and just man.
Luk 23:51 He had not consented to their decision and deed. He was from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who himself was also waiting for the kingdom of God.
Luk 23:52 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.
Luk 23:53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before.
Luk 23:54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.
Luk 23:55 And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid.

OK, now we go to Mark's account...

Mar 15:47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses observed where He was laid.

Same thought as Luke 23:55, right? Now notice Mark 16:1...

Mar 16:1 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.

When did they buy the spices? After the Sabbath. What Sabbath? The First Day of Unleavened Bread that occurred on Thursday of that week. They bought spices (and prepared them) after the Sabbath.

Now let's go back to Luke 23:56

Luk 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Now we have them preparing the spices and fragrant oils and then resting again. this time they rest on the Sabbath according to the Commandment. Which Commandment...

Exo 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

The weekly Sabbath that is what we call Saturday.
 
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This is why there are Sabbaths for moveable feasts and the Sabbath of the Lord. The Sabbath of the Lord ia always on the seventh day while the Feast Sabbath or Rest Days may be any day of the week.

Yahweh does not make errors, people do. Yeshua was crucifed and was in the tomb for three days. You want to say three days and three nights; this is fine too. Mary came to the tomb the morning of the first day, after the Sabbath of the Lord.........it does not take much effort to figure the rest providing you are aware of the Sabbath of Passover not being the Sabath of the Lord.

Most people will not even consider this because it is too Jewish.....(I do not mean to sound like Jackie Mason.) Those who will consider and learn about it will receive much blessing.
In matthew 28 it say dawning towords the 1st day is this morning or night ?:confused:
 
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i am NT but i like this John 832


When did they buy the spices? After the Sabbath. What Sabbath? The First Day of Unleavened Bread that occurred on Thursday of that week. They bought spices (and prepared them) after the Sabbath.


i dont understand if the first day has not come as yet and when they came to the see the tomb on the 7th day the angel say Jesus is not there all this happen on saturday
:confused:
What verses do they use to say this ?
 

john832

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In matthew 28 it say dawning towords the 1st day is this morning or night ?:confused:
I believe it is morning. There is more to it than just this. Christ was raised on Saturday at/about sunset. The women came near morning but whileit was yet dark. Christ wasn't in the tomb...

Here is the rest of the story...

Joh 20:16 Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him, "Rabboni!" (which is to say, Teacher).
Joh 20:17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.' "

This ascension goes over most people's heads. This is a Feast Day...

Lev 23:9 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
Lev 23:10 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest.
Lev 23:11 He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.
Lev 23:12 And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the LORD.
Lev 23:13 Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to the LORD, for a sweet aroma; and its drink offering shall be of wine, one-fourth of a hin.
Lev 23:14 You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

It is the Wave Sheaf Offering. The day that shadows Christ's ascension to the Father and the presenting of Himself as the perfect sacrifice to the Father for all of mankind. Can you imagine the emotion? Can you imagine as Christ walked across the sea of glass to His Father saying I have finished the work You have given Me to do?

Here is a little bit on the Wave Sheaf...

Wave Sheaf -- What We Found
 

john832

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i am NT but i like this John 832


When did they buy the spices? After the Sabbath. What Sabbath? The First Day of Unleavened Bread that occurred on Thursday of that week. They bought spices (and prepared them) after the Sabbath.


i dont understand if the first day has not come as yet and when they came to the see the tomb on the 7th day the angel say Jesus is not there all this happen on saturday
:confused:
What verses do they use to say this ?
This occurred on the first day of the week, commonly called Sunday...

Joh 20:1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
 

JaumeJ

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If the Sabbath was just ending, it had to be on what we call Sunday morning since the Sabbath is Friday suset to Saturday sunset. It says in the early MORNING after the Sabbath. So Sabbath ended at sunset Saturday evening, the witnesses were inside all night until morning when they went to the tomb, Sunday morning. If this is wrong, well, it is like Christmas, I really do not care, I believe He did what He was prophesied to do, and whether I truly know or do not, is moot. I observe the same Sabbath of the Lord as did our Salvation, and my Salvation is not effected by what I know or do not know about details. It would be nice to have this settled for all.

i am NT but i like this John 832


When did they buy the spices? After the Sabbath. What Sabbath? The First Day of Unleavened Bread that occurred on Thursday of that week. They bought spices (and prepared them) after the Sabbath.


i dont understand if the first day has not come as yet and when they came to the see the tomb on the 7th day the angel say Jesus is not there all this happen on saturday
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What verses do they use to say this ?
 
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I believe it is morning. There is more to it than just this. Christ was raised on Saturday at/about sunset. The women came near morning but whileit was yet dark. Christ wasn't in the tomb...
So you do not believe that Christ was raised on the day of firstfruits?
 

john832

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We are sealed by the Holy Spirit. The Sabbath is a sign.

Exo 31:13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.

Exo 31:17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.' "
 

john832

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So you do not believe that Christ was raised on the day of firstfruits?
No, Firstfruits is Pentecost...

Lev 23:17 You shall bring from your dwellings two wave loaves of two-tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven. They are the firstfruits to the LORD.

He ascended on the Wave Sheaf...

Lev 23:10 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest.
Lev 23:11 He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Different days.

He was raised from the dead on Saturday at/near sunset. Ascended to the Father the next morning.
 
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No, Firstfruits is Pentecost...

Lev 23:17 You shall bring from your dwellings two wave loaves of two-tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven. They are the firstfruits to the LORD.

He ascended on the Wave Sheaf...

Lev 23:10 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest.
Lev 23:11 He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Different days.

He was raised from the dead on Saturday at/near sunset. Ascended to the Father the next morning.
No, Pentecost is not the appointed time of firstfruits. The wave sheaf is the day of firstfruits (firstfruits of barley); the two wave loaves are Pentecost (firstfruits of wheat). The above verses describe firstfruits; the day after the sabbath after unleavened bread.