For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[Hizikyah]

We do have laws in the New Covenant.

[FONT=Calibri, serif]Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them,[/FONT][FONT=Calibri, serif] for this is (sums up) the Law[/FONT][FONT=Calibri, serif] and the Prophets."[/FONT]




[FONT=Calibri, serif]Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [/FONT][FONT=Calibri, serif]On these two commandments hang all the Law [/FONT][FONT=Calibri, serif]and the Prophets."[/FONT]



[FONT=Calibri, serif]Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and[/FONT][FONT=Calibri, serif] all other commandments are summed up in these Laws[/FONT][FONT=Calibri, serif]; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

Hebrew 5:9, "And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting deliverance to all those obeying Him."
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[Grace777x70]

Hebrew 5:9, "And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting deliverance to all those obeying Him."
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It says in the Law that you are to stone your children if they are not behaving - have you done that yet? It also says in the law that you are to stone anyone in your family that tries to get you away from the Lord. Have you done that yet?

Hebrews 5:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,

Notice in the above scripture that Jesus is the source for eternal salvation - not the keeping of the law of Moses.


"Obeying Him" is to be "obedient to the faith." - which is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for life and living, salvation, righteousness, sanctification, wisdom.


These priests were good living moral "law-keeping" Jews that still needed to be "obedient to the faith" and to believe on Christ for all things.

Acts 6:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.


Can I ask you a question? Are you Jewish? Were you born from Jewish parents genetically? - If not - then why are you trying to become a Jew or to act like a Jew?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Jesus does "point back" to the laws given Moses with His Light.........

Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Here, Jesus Christ is teaching the Law, however H is applying understanding and mercy, justice, and faith.

In the law it is required to return to your neighbor any injury he should cause you to have be it poking out your eye, cutting off your hand, whatever.......the perpetrator is to receive the same according to the law.

Yet, our blessed, merciful and all-wise Savior teaches us what? He teaches us to noto obey this Levitical law because it is without mercy, justice and faith. We creatures of teh Crator, our Father, are just plains too stupid to know what vengeance is, true vengeance that is, though I suspect I have been given a light knowledge of vengeance.

As it is written, vengeance belongs to God. I once asked myself why? Simple, because He knows exactly what is required, and I tell you most times He will do nothing for the vengeance is seen by dHim with time caused by whoever is guilty. Even juidgment to damnation and the fire will come out of the mouths of those who are judged, for it is written tehy will be juidged by their own words.

Everything is perfectly in order. Faith tells us and teaches our hearts never to judga others, ev en when the infraction(s) are obvious, however we must pray for salvation for all, even for those who trespass against us.

It is wonderful to be free of judging others in this manner, what a blessing, and what freedom, amen.

Anyone who says Jesus Christ does not teach and clarify the Lw within His gosple does not understand much about grace and love. How can anyone be truly free of the curse of the law if he has not learned these wonders from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Yes, Jesus Chrsit teaches us how to understand the law lawfully in love and grace. If you know what He teaches in HIs gospel, you know He explains the law, this is teaching............

The quote from Matthew is just one of the many times our Lord Jesus Christ teaches us how to use the law lawfully in His very teaching and by His example..........we should always strive to follow Him and His example......

Naw. What Jesus is teaching is that your only hope is Him. He is pointing you to Himself, not to the Law.

 

[Hizikyah]

It says in the Law that you are to stone your children if they are not behaving - have you done that yet? It also says in the law that you are to stone anyone in your family that tries to get you away from the Lord. Have you done that yet?

"Obeying Him" is to be "obedient to the faith." - which is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for life and living, salvation, righteousness, sanctification, wisdom.

These priests were good living moral "law-keeping" Jews that still needed to be "obedient to the faith" and to believe on Christ for all things.

Acts 6:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.


Can I ask you a question? Are you Jewish? Were you born from Jewish parents genetically? - If not - then why are you trying to become a Jew or to act like a Jew?

No I am not Jewish, and submitting to Yah's Law does not make one Jewish no matter what Constantine wnats you to believe.

And look at you trying to pick at the Law of the Most High. Lol, if you understood it I doubt you would do this. OK, so, the judges have been disbanded, no man is currently fit to make judgement unless they are in right standing before Yah. Would you say that a man like Saddam Hussien does not rightfully deserve the death penalty? Or since we are unable to judge any matter should we not even put him in jail, or something in between those? You see the evidence and case would have to be throughly looked at. If one takes the entire Law to themselves, in it's true intent, love, there would be much mercy, and only in the most dire of circumstances would harsh penalties be executed. However we live in a time where people can not even seem to judge if abortion is ok or not, believers even... We live in an up side down world, without having a somewhat full understanding of the Law, and Yahshua went a long why to explin this, it can not ven be understaood and only accusations will come. I would tread lighty when accusing His Law, He gave it for a purpose, even if you think that purpose is not longer needed. and finally, the cases where this would be justifiable, would be so henous and disgusting to even speak of the things that would justify this would make me cringe, andim sure others, so Ill leave it at that.

 

[gb9]

Ephesians 2 15. i'll leave it at that. ( but many of you Hebrew roots guys do not really believe the Words of Paul, since he was Christ's hand-chosen person to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, who did not have the Law of Moses.)

 

[Grace777x70]

No I am not Jewish, and submitting to Yah's Law does not make one Jewish no matter what Constantine wnats you to believe.

And look at you trying to pick at the Law of the Most High. Lol, if you understood it I doubt you would do this. OK, so, the judges have been disbanded, no man is currently fit to make judgement unless they are in right standing before Yah. Would you say that a man like Saddam Hussien does not rightfully deserve the death penalty? Or since we are unable to judge any matter should we not even put him in jail, or something in between those? You see the evidence and case would have to be throughly looked at. If one takes the entire Law to themselves, in it's true intent, love, there would be much mercy, and only in the most dire of circumstances would harsh penalties be executed. However we live in a time where people can not even seem to judge if abortion is ok or not, believers even... We live in an up side down world, without having a somewhat full understanding of the Law, and Yahshua went a long why to explin this, it can not ven be understaood and only accusations will come. I would tread lighty when accusing His Law, He gave it for a purpose, even if you think that purpose is not longer needed. and finally, the cases where this would be justifiable, would be so henous and disgusting to even speak of the things that would justify this would make me cringe, andim sure others, so Ill leave it at that.

So, you are trying to make yourself Jewish and trying to get others in the body of Christ to become Jewish too? - does this make you be more "obedient to God" somehow?

People pick "parts of the law" to do and ignore the other parts of it. Paul says that the man who is trying to be justified by the law shall live by that law.

The purpose of the Law was evident.

Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.


The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20

2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8

3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11

4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24

The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now, and the law of liberty in Christ Jesus and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ). The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.

But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.

Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.

People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.

If someone wants to observe a particular day , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so. These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.

It's where people are saying "You must observe these things or do these things in the Law or you are not obeying God" - that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.

This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work. Hebrews 4:10



I encourage you to rely on Christ for everything. We can trust the Holy Spirit within us now. He is our life now.

Bless you and have a great day.

 

[Ahwatukee]

So, you are trying to make yourself Jewish and trying to get others in the body of Christ to become Jewish too? - does this make you be more "obedient to God" somehow?

People pick "parts of the law" to do and ignore the other parts of it. Paul says that the man who is trying to be justified by the law shall live by that law.

The purpose of the Law was evident.

Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.


The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20

2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8

3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11

4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24

The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now, and the law of liberty in Christ Jesus and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ). The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.

But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.

Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.

People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.

If someone wants to observe a particular day , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so. These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.

It's where people are saying "You must observe these things or do these things in the Law or you are not obeying God" - that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.

This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work. Hebrews 4:10



I encourage you to rely on Christ for everything. We can trust the Holy Spirit within us now. He is our life now.

Bless you and have a great day.

Morning Grace777,

Have you noticed that Hizikyah sounds an awful lot like discipleMike? Hmmmm ......

 

[Hizikyah]

Ephesians 2 15. i'll leave it at that. ( but many of you Hebrew roots guys do not really believe the Words of Paul, since he was Christ's hand-chosen person to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, who did not have the Law of Moses.)

All you needed to do is read one more verse to see the "enmity" was abolished, not the Law:
"He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death theenmity. "

I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:

Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity,that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death theenmity. "

Not only does the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to YHWH through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

enmity is Word # G2189 echthra
Strong's Concordance, echthra: enmity, hostility, Original Word: ἔχθρα, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: echthra, Phonetic Spelling: (ekh'-thrah), Short Definition: enmity, hostility, Definition: enmity, hostility, alienation.

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

The opposition to YHWH's Law abolished, not the Law it's self.

So if we were to remove the added words in italics , we would have;

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to YHWH through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

Also it is worth noting, how could the Messiah have abolished the Law when He Himself said;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in opposition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.

Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

 

[Hizikyah]

Morning Grace777,

Have you noticed that Hizikyah sounds an awful lot like discipleMike? Hmmmm ......

LOL. OK dectective...... check my old threads, none match my doctrine as I see it.

No I am me, this is the only profile I have ever had here at CC, as surely as YHWH lives this is truth.

 

[gb9]

All you needed to do is read one more verse to see the "enmity" was abolished, not the Law:
"He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death theenmity. "

I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:

Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity,that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death theenmity. "

Not only does the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to YHWH through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

enmity is Word # G2189 echthra
Strong's Concordance, echthra: enmity, hostility, Original Word: ἔχθρα, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: echthra, Phonetic Spelling: (ekh'-thrah), Short Definition: enmity, hostility, Definition: enmity, hostility, alienation.

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

The opposition to YHWH's Law abolished, not the Law it's self.

So if we were to remove the added words in italics , we would have;

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to YHWH through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

Also it is worth noting, how could the Messiah have abolished the Law when He Himself said;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in opposition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.

Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

way to spin something, trying to make Paul's words mean something they do not.

 

[Grace777x70]

Morning Grace777,

Have you noticed that Hizikyah sounds an awful lot like discipleMike? Hmmmm ......

Morning brother...I think disciplemike was a different person. They have different ways and approaches of trying to get people to go back to the law of Moses....but the same result as some sects of the Hebrew Roots movement.

Not all Hebrew Roots teachings are trying to get people back to living by the law of Moses. They just explain them out in relation to Christ fulfilling the law. Those are great teachings and a major blessing to us.

 

[Hizikyah]

Morning brother...I think disciplemike was a different person. They have different ways and approaches of trying to get people to go back to the law of Moses....but the same result as some sects of the Hebrew Roots movement.

Not all Hebrew Roots teachings are trying to get people back to living by the law of Moses. They just explain them out in relation to Christ fulfilling the law. Those are great teachings and a major blessing to us.

I am speaking respectfully here, and I am not angry, but I have to say and please don't take it any other way. Do as you will, but calling me "hebrew roots" is a wide classification. You are rubber stamping me with the doctrines of others by doing this.

 

[Hizikyah]

way to spin something, trying to make Paul's words mean something they do not.

1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God?"

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."[/FONT]

 

[FreeNChrist]

I am speaking respectfully here, and I am not angry, but I have to say and please don't take it any other way. Do as you will, but calling me "hebrew roots" is a wide classification. You are rubber stamping me with the doctrines of others by doing this.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck

 

[Hizikyah]

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck

John 7:24, "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"​

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"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}
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Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)​

A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)​

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Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey​

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John (Yahanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."​

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John (Yahanan) 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Yahanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." [/FONT]​

 

[Grace777x70]

I am speaking respectfully here, and I am not angry, but I have to say and please don't take it any other way. Do as you will, but calling me "hebrew roots" is a wide classification. You are rubber stamping me with the doctrines of others by doing this.

Your teachings are exactly like some sects of Hebrew Roots Movement that say we must keep the law of Moses - some just use various ways of saying the same thing.

Are Christians disobeying God if they don't follow the Law of Moses? For example : If Christians do not keep the Jewish Sabbath day as outlined in the law of Moses from Friday to Saturday - are they disobeying God?

 

[FreeNChrist]

John 7:24, "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"​

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"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}
​

​

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)​

A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)​

​

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey​

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John (Yahanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."​

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John (Yahanan) 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."​

Yahanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." ​

Right. Instead judge by appearance, actions and the noise they make.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Morning brother...I think disciplemike was a different person. They have different ways and approaches of trying to get people to go back to the law of Moses....but the same result as some sects of the Hebrew Roots movement.

Not all Hebrew Roots teachings are trying to get people back to living by the law of Moses. They just explain them out in relation to Christ fulfilling the law. Those are great teachings and a major blessing to us.

Does he know that the law was given to show people their sins:

"Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins."

Does he know that the law was only meant to last until Christ arrived?

"But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised."

Does he know that by trying to be justified by observing the law that he has been alienated from Christ and has fallen away from grace?

"You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."


Does he know that no one will be justified before God by observing the law?

"Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith."


Does he know that those who trust in the law are under a curse and that Jesus rescued us from the curse of the law?

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit."

"It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression."

What do they do with all of these very clear scriptures regarding the law? I know they reinterpret it and circumvent it. I don't understand how they can continue to promote the works of the law after reading these scriptures that are proclaim salvation by grace through faith. Any these are just a few. I'm sure that he will have some excuse. Acts 15:5-11 should end the argument, but unfortunately it doesn't, even though it is clear in its meaning.

Unfortunately, they are not going to find out the truth until its too late. For trusting in the works of the law will have the opposite desired affect, which is eternal life. They don't understand that by trusting in their own efforts, they are not trusting in Christ. It's no wonder Jesus said, "many will say to me on that day, 'but Lord, Lord, did we not?' " For many have not understood their error in their attempt at keeping the law, but continue to teaching and promote it.

They do greatly err!

 

[Hizikyah]

Your teachings are exactly like some sects of Hebrew Roots Movement that say we must keep the law of Moses - some just use various ways of saying the same thing.

Are Christians disobeying God if they don't follow the Law of Moses? For example : If Christians do not keep the Jewish Sabbath day as outlined in the law of Moses from Friday to Saturday - are they disobeying God?

And you teahcing are the same as some of the Cathlolic church.

What one of the 10 commandments is ok to break?

Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Romans 4:15, "Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Law is not in us."

1John 3:4, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

and where does it say the Sabbath was changed?.....

Ohh I know, right here:

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws..."