For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[Hizikyah]

Does he know that the law was given to show people their sins:

"Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins."

Does he know that the law was only meant to last until Christ arrived?

"But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised."

Does he know that by trying to be justified by observing the law that he has been alienated from Christ and has fallen away from grace?

"You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."


Does he know that no one will be justified before God by observing the law?

"Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith."


Does he know that those who trust in the law are under a curse and that Jesus rescued us from the law?

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit."

"It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression."

What do they do with all of these very clear scriptures regarding the law? I know they reinterpret it and circumvent it. I don't understand how they can continue to promote the works of the law after reading these scriptures that are proclaim salvation by grace through faith. Any these are just a few. I'm sure that he will have some excuse. Acts 15:5-11 should end the argument, but unfortunately it doesn't, even though it is clear in its meaning.

Unfortunately, they are not going to find out the truth until its too late. For trusting in the works of the law will have the opposite desired affect, which is eternal life. They don't understand that by trusting in their own efforts, they are not trusting in Christ. It's no wonder Jesus said, "many will say to me on that day, 'but Lord, Lord, did we not?' " For many have not understood their error in their attempt at keeping the law, but continue to teaching and promote it.

They do greatly err!

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."​

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"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
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Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)​

1) the condition of without law
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1a) because ignorant of it​

1b) because of violating it​

2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness



Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."


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Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.​

 

[Grace777x70]

Does he know that the law was given to show people their sins:

"Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins."

Does he know that the law was only meant to last until Christ arrived?

"But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised."

Does he know that by trying to be justified by observing the law that he has been alienated from Christ and has fallen away from grace?

"You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."


Does he know that no will be justified before God by observing the law?

"Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith."


Does he know that those who trust in the law are under a curse and that Jesus rescued us from the law?

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit."

"It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression."

What do they do with all of these very clear scriptures regarding the law? I know they reinterpret it and circumvent it. I don't understand how they can continue to promote the works of the law after reading these scriptures that are proclaim salvation by grace through faith. Any these are just a few. I'm sure that he will have some excuse. Acts 15:5-11 should end the argument, but unfortunately it doesn't, even though it is clear in its meaning.

Unfortunately, they are not going to find out the truth until its too late. For trusting in the works of the law will have the opposite desired affect, which is eternal life. They don't understand that by trusting in their own efforts, they are not trusting in Christ. It's no wonder Jesus said, "many will say to me on that day, 'but Lord, Lord, did we not?' " For many have not understood their error in their attempt at keeping the law, but continue to teaching and promote it.

They do greatly err!

If some sects of the Hebrew Roots people that teach the law of Moses don't know this - then at the least others will see the truth about the Law of Moses is not for the Christian and that we live by Christ now. His life in us will not get us to violate the intent of the law as we walk in love towards others.

I believe many of them are born-again - it's just that they are doing the "Galatians route" and trying to be perfected by the flesh. This is where they greatly err.

All we can do is speak the truth about the gospel of Christ and trust the Holy Spirit to do His work in the minds of others. All is well...

 

[beta]

All you needed to do is read one more verse to see the "enmity" was abolished, not the Law:
"He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death theenmity. "

I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:

Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity,that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death theenmity. "

Not only does the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to YHWH through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

enmity is Word # G2189 echthra
Strong's Concordance, echthra: enmity, hostility, Original Word: ἔχθρα, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: echthra, Phonetic Spelling: (ekh'-thrah), Short Definition: enmity, hostility, Definition: enmity, hostility, alienation.

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

The opposition to YHWH's Law abolished, not the Law it's self.

So if we were to remove the added words in italics , we would have;

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to YHWH through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

Also it is worth noting, how could the Messiah have abolished the Law when He Himself said;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in opposition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.

Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

I am going to give this some thought...keep all the law ?
But if you are right it would mean we also still have to 'stone people---or sacrifice animals ??? and Jesus' sacrifice would be for nothing ?

 

[Hizikyah]

I am going to give this some thought...keep all the law ?
But if you are right it would mean we also still have to 'stone people---or sacrifice animals ??? and Jesus' sacrifice would be for nothing ?

No, animal sacrifice was a placeholder, if the Sacrificial law were done away, we being born 2,000 years after the true Scarifice, the Passover Lamb, Yahshua/Jesus, we could not accept it, that Law still being on the books is what makes it possible to accept Messiah's Sacrifice now, 2,000 years later. and there is no more Levitical priesthood, Yahshua/Jesus is now the High Priest. All judgement is given to Him. Finally, all Laws are not for every person, and no im not picking and choosing, some are only for men, some are only for women, some are only for kings, some are only for priests, some are only for High Priest Himself, etc.

 

[Grace777x70]

And you teahcing are the same as some of the Cathlolic church.

What one of the 10 commandments is ok to break?

Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Romans 4:15, "Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Law is not in us."

1John 3:4, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

and where does it say the Sabbath was changed?.....

Ohh I know, right here:

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws..."

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So, you do say that Christians are disobeying God if they don't keep the Sabbath as in the law of Moses. This is an anti-Christ belief system and it denies the work of Christ. Christ is our Sabbath rest.

But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it in Christ Himself. We are in Him now joined as one spirit.

Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.



People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.

If someone wants to observe a particular day , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so. These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.

It's where people are saying "You must observe these things or do these things in the Law or you are not obeying God" - that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.

This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work. Hebrews 4:10

Christians are not going to fall for this and desert our Lord. Gal. 1:6...nor are we going to commit spiritual adultery on our Lord.

 

[Hizikyah]

I am going to give this some thought...keep all the law ?
But if you are right it would mean we also still have to 'stone people---or sacrifice animals ??? and Jesus' sacrifice would be for nothing ?

No, animal sacrifice was a placeholder, if the Sacrificial law were done away, we being born 2,000 years after the true Scarifice, the Passover Lamb, Yahshua/Jesus, we could not accept it, that Law still being on the books is what makes it possible to accept Messiah's Sacrifice now, 2,000 years later. and there is no more Levitical priesthood, Yahshua/Jesus is now the High Priest. All judgement is given to Him. Finally, all Laws are not for every person, and no im not picking and choosing, some are only for men, some are only for women, some are only for kings, some are only for priests, some are only for High Priest Himself, etc.

I forgot key verses:

Psalm 40:6-8, "Sacrifice and meal offering You did not desire; You have opened my ears; Burnt offering and sin offering You did not ask for. Then I said, “See, I have come; In the scroll of the Book it is prescribed for me. I have delighted to do Your pleasure, O my Ylohim, And Your Torah is within my heart.”


Hebrew 10:5-7, "Therefore, coming into the world, He says, “Sacrifice and meal offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me. In burnt offerings and offerings for sin You did not delight. Then I said, ‘See, I come – in the roll of the book it has been written concerning Me – to do Your desire, O Yah.’”

Think about those when reading this:


Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My loving kindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness – I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

 

[beta]

No, animal sacrifice was a placeholder, if the Sacrificial law were done away, we being born 2,000 years after the true Scarifice, the Passover Lamb, Yahshua/Jesus, we could not accept it, that Law still being on the books is what makes it possible to accept Messiah's Sacrifice now, 2,000 years later. and there is no more Levitical priesthood, Yahshua/Jesus is now the High Priest. All judgement is given to Him. Finally, all Laws are not for every person, and no im not picking and choosing, some are only for men, some are only for women, some are only for kings, some are only for priests, some are only for High Priest Himself, etc.

I can not see how going back to hundreds of laws is going to clarify anything - rather it would add to the already existing confusion.
I am happy to stay with the 10 Commandments as Jesus presented during His ministry and lived as our example.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I can not see how going back to hundreds of laws is going to clarify anything - rather it would add to the already existing confusion.
I am happy to stay with the 10 Commandments as Jesus presented during His ministry and lived as our example.

Guess you missed Romans 7:5-7, eh?

 

[Hizikyah]

I can not see how going back to hundreds of laws is going to clarify anything - rather it would add to the already existing confusion.
I am happy to stay with the 10 Commandments as Jesus presented during His ministry and lived as our example.

This is how I look at it, not as in a opinion but as in how I look at it to simplify for my own mind:

We have 2 "Great Commandments" 1-4 are about /explain how to love Yah, 5-10 are about/explain how to love other humans:

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

The 613 are a further explanation of the 10, in which Yahshua/Jesus walked in perfectly as our perfect example.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."[/FONT]

 

[FreeNChrist]

The 613 are a further explanation of the 10

Thats right. The 613 extrapolate from the 10 the logical but ridiculous lengths to which man must go to in his efforts to try to keep the 10.

 

[Hizikyah]

Thats right. The 613 extrapolate from the 10 the logical but ridiculous lengths to which man must go to in his efforts to try to keep the 10.

There is noting "ridiculous" about His Laws, you may be confusing them with the nonsense the pharisee made up.... and usually when people think His Laws are "ridiculous" it is either they are not looking at it with their heart or simply don't understand it.



Lev 19:11 ‘Do not steal, do not lie, do not deceive one another.
Lev 19:12 ‘And do not swear falsely by My Name and so profane the Name of your Ylohim. I am יהוה.
Lev 19:13 ‘Do not oppress your neighbour or rob him. The wages of him who is hired is not to remain with you all night until morning.
Lev 19:14 ‘Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling-block before the blind, but fear your Ylohim. I am יהוה.
Lev 19:15 ‘Do no unrighteousness in right-ruling. Do not be partial to the poor or favour the face of the great, but rightly rule your neighbour in righteousness.
Lev 19:16 ‘Do not go slandering among your people. Do not stand against the blood of your neighbour. I am יהוה.
Lev 19:17 ‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Reprove your neighbour, for certain, and bear no sin because of him.
Lev 19:18 ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbour as yourself. I am יהוה.

 

[FreeNChrist]

There is noting "ridiculous" about His Laws, you may be confusing them with the nonsense the pharisee made up.... and usually when people think His Laws are "ridiculous" it is either they are not looking at it with their heart or simply don't understand it.



Lev 19:11 ‘Do not steal, do not lie, do not deceive one another.
Lev 19:12 ‘And do not swear falsely by My Name and so profane the Name of your Ylohim. I am יהוה.
Lev 19:13 ‘Do not oppress your neighbour or rob him. The wages of him who is hired is not to remain with you all night until morning.
Lev 19:14 ‘Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling-block before the blind, but fear your Ylohim. I am יהוה.
Lev 19:15 ‘Do no unrighteousness in right-ruling. Do not be partial to the poor or favour the face of the great, but rightly rule your neighbour in righteousness.
Lev 19:16 ‘Do not go slandering among your people. Do not stand against the blood of your neighbour. I am יהוה.
Lev 19:17 ‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Reprove your neighbour, for certain, and bear no sin because of him.
Lev 19:18 ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbour as yourself. I am יהוה.

The lengths that man must go to when foolish enough to presume to think that they can keep the Law is ridiculous.

 

[Hizikyah]

The lengths that man must go to when foolish enough to presume to think that they can keep the Law is ridiculous.

I have never met a man that thinks he can walk in the Law perfectly... But as soon as one says obedience, that is the battle cry...

The Scriptures
1 John 2:3-7, "And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning."

English Standard Version
1 John 2:3-7, "3And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. 7Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1John 3:4, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

 

[FreeNChrist]

I have never met a man that thinks he can walk in the Law perfectly... But as soon as one says obedience, that is the battle cry...

The Scriptures
1 John 2:3-7, "And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning."

English Standard Version
1 John 2:3-7, "3And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. 7Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1John 3:4, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

And yet the standard under the Law is perfection, and nothing short of that will do

 

[Hizikyah]

And yet the standard under the Law is perfection, and nothing short of that will do

SO are there only 2 options

1 - walk perfectly in the Law

2 - say grace and do everything aginst the Law?


Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous*.

13 Did that which is *righteous, then, become death to me?By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.

14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.


16 And if I did what I did not want to do, I agreed that the Law is righteous.


17 As it was, it was no longer I myself who did it, but it was sin living in me.


22 For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man*;


23 But I saw another law* at work in the members of my body, waging war against the Law in my *mind, and bringing me into captivity of the *law of sin, which is in my members.



25 Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.

James 1:22-25, " But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does."

The Scriptures
1 John 2:3-7, "And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning."

English Standard Version
1 John 2:3-7, "3And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. 7Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1John 3:4, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

 

[FreeNChrist]

SO are there only 2 options

1 - walk perfectly in the Law

2 - say grace and do everything aginst the Law?


Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous*.

13 Did that which is *righteous, then, become death to me?By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.

14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.


16 And if I did what I did not want to do, I agreed that the Law is righteous.


17 As it was, it was no longer I myself who did it, but it was sin living in me.


22 For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man*;


23 But I saw another law* at work in the members of my body, waging war against the Law in my *mind, and bringing me into captivity of the *law of sin, which is in my members.



25 Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.

James 1:22-25, " But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does."

Theres a third option.......JESUS.

 

[Hizikyah]

Theres a third option.......JESUS.

I agree:

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John (Yahanan) 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Yahanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." [/FONT]​

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When you say keeps the Law, do you mean the Laws written on the tablets of stone? Or, the Law that is now written in our hearts since the Holy Spirit was given? It's seems like the Bible is very clear in the NT, we are not under the Laws written on the tablets of stone in the New Covenant. Your take on this?

SINCE God wrote the Commandments on tablets of stone HE has SPOKEN personally/audibly to the people Ex 20v1; Deut 5v6-22....meaning God improves on His communication with people 'as we are growing in understanding and able to receive !!!
NOW he is 'writing on hearts of flesh and speaking to us in the Spirit !!!

 

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I am speaking respectfully here, and I am not angry, but I have to say and please don't take it any other way. Do as you will, but calling me "hebrew roots" is a wide classification. You are rubber stamping me with the doctrines of others by doing this.

Yes, we get this INjustice a lot here ! Anyone who keeps the Sabbath is labelled 'hebrew roots or a Jew and a keeper of Moses law. They should repent of these lies and false accusations while they have opportunity !

 

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Your teachings are exactly like some sects of Hebrew Roots Movement that say we must keep the law of Moses - some just use various ways of saying the same thing.

Are Christians disobeying God if they don't follow the Law of Moses? For example : If Christians do not keep the Jewish Sabbath day as outlined in the law of Moses from Friday to Saturday - are they disobeying God?

Where in scripture is it called the ''jewish sabbath ? Have you never read that it is
THE SABBATH of the LORD .... and to be kept holy ?
The 7th day was sanctified and blessed at CREATION, it does not originate with the Jews. Why should keeping it make us jewish ?