For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[Speakright]

it all depends on your motives.. I think we have to do things with the right motives.... I often find that i even need to write with the right motives - it can not be for our own, but to uplift others or to bring correction or encouragement - well actually it should really always be to encourage others to follow the true way that Jesus has set for us. I find myself caught in my own thoughts and motives - and before i can correct others i must search myself and my intentions

 

[birdie]

Simply put, does keeping the Sabbath have any effect on your salvation or standing before God?

That depends on the term "KEEP THE SABBATH". To some people, 'keep the sabbath' means to go to church or synagogue on a particular day of the week. To those in Christ, "keep the sabbath" means to have God sanctify them (declare them free from sin), while they do ZERO amount of work to save themselves. Christ did all of the work of salvation on the cross. Therefore, they only rest in that regard. We read about this in Exodus 31:13: "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you". The children of Israel are a picture of all true believers here, and KEEPING the sabbaths here is a picture of how Christ does all the work of saving while those he saves rest (they are not capable of saving themselves in their own strength).

 

[beta]

if that is good, why not?
Romans 7:12
12 | So that the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good.


right, for some kind of people, it's possible[/B]
1John 3:9
9 | Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin,because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.
because they have the holy spirit with them
Hebrews 10:15 - 16
15 | And the Holy Spirit also beareth witness to us; for after he hath said,
16 | This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, saith the Lord: I will put my laws on their heart, And upon their mind also will I write them; 'then saith he,'[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]end of the law of priesthood, but not all the law
before, there is levitical priesthood but there is imperfection so Jesus is the end of it
Hebrews 7:11
11 | Now if there was perfection through the Levitical priesthood (for under it hath the people received the law), what further need 'was there' that another priest should arise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be reckoned after the order of Aaron?

but now,we just need to have faith in Jesus Christ
1Peter 2:5
5 | ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.


Romans 6:14
14 | For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not underlaw, but under grace.
"under grace" doesn't mean that we can live without the law,
Romans 3:31
31 | Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.
man under grace establish the law because he keep it automaticaly

So we should keep the law, unless there is nothing to lead us to Christ
Romans 2:12
12 | For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
if someone sinned without law mean if he don't know the law, he perish
if someone sinned even if he know the law, he perish, but there are sin that not into death
1John 5:17
17 | All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

you mean "Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law of levitic priesthood"
Jesus fulfilled not all the law, but the law of priesthood
Hebrews 7:11 - 12
11 | Now if there was perfection through the Levitical priesthood (for under it hath the people received the law), what further need 'was there' that another priest should arise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be reckoned after the order of Aaron?
12 | For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
be carefull, it mean law of priesthood

Romans 3:31
31 | Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.

sin=unrighteousness
1John 5:17
17 | All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

sin=lawlessness
1John 3:4
4 | Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

so law=righteousness

Brilliant post aldy !
But the problem with some people is that they don't allow the law to be split up into different laws.....
which however is quite evident from scripture. There were many laws in the OT referring to different things and some were changed , others abolished and some even kept like the 10 Commandments.
But some people on here do not allow any of that and tell us they were ''all abolished''....as if THEY decided and determined what is right !
When Jas says to keep the 'whole law' 2v10, it does not mean all the laws ever given, but for us today
apply only the 10 as per detailed by Jesus in the NT. They are a 'whole complete law in/by itself, given by GOD personally Ex 20v1; Deut 5v6-22, to which GOD added no more and are spiritual,eternal,holy just and good....the rest of commandments were given through Moses and abolished by Jesus Eph 2v15. Since the verses around Jas 2v10 speak of loving neighbour it is evident that he was speaking of the 10 Commandments only, not ALL law.

 

[Grace777x70]

if that is good, why not?
Romans 7:12
12 | So that the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good.


right, for some kind of people, it's possible[/B]
1John 3:9
9 | Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin,because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.
because they have the holy spirit with them
Hebrews 10:15 - 16
15 | And the Holy Spirit also beareth witness to us; for after he hath said,
16 | This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, saith the Lord: I will put my laws on their heart, And upon their mind also will I write them; 'then saith he,'[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]end of the law of priesthood, but not all the law
before, there is levitical priesthood but there is imperfection so Jesus is the end of it
Hebrews 7:11
11 | Now if there was perfection through the Levitical priesthood (for under it hath the people received the law), what further need 'was there' that another priest should arise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be reckoned after the order of Aaron?

but now,we just need to have faith in Jesus Christ
1Peter 2:5
5 | ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.


Romans 6:14
14 | For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not underlaw, but under grace.
"under grace" doesn't mean that we can live without the law,
Romans 3:31
31 | Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.
man under grace establish the law because he keep it automaticaly

So we should keep the law, unless there is nothing to lead us to Christ
Romans 2:12
12 | For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
if someone sinned without law mean if he don't know the law, he perish
if someone sinned even if he know the law, he perish, but there are sin that not into death
1John 5:17
17 | All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

you mean "Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law of levitic priesthood"
Jesus fulfilled not all the law, but the law of priesthood
Hebrews 7:11 - 12
11 | Now if there was perfection through the Levitical priesthood (for under it hath the people received the law), what further need 'was there' that another priest should arise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be reckoned after the order of Aaron?
12 | For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
be carefull, it mean law of priesthood

Romans 3:31
31 | Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.

sin=unrighteousness
1John 5:17
17 | All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

sin=lawlessness
1John 3:4
4 | Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

so law=righteousness

Sorry...one cannot separate out the Law of Moses. We either live by the life of Christ in us or by the law of Moses. There is no mixture.

Christ is our righteousness - not in us "keeping" the law of Moses. "law-keepers" have a very low esteem for the law of Moses and for the work of Christ as they negate the true purpose of both truths.

The fact still remains that the Christian is not under the law of Moses, has died to the law of Moses and has been released from the Law of Moses and until we start agreeing with the truths of the Lord Jesus Christ in His work - we will be creating our own works-based religion which actually denies the Lord Jesus Christ.

People are free to believe whatever they want but if we are basing our life on the "keeping of the law" - we are denying Christ and we will have to live by the law of Moses. We have fallen from grace that is in Christ Jesus our Lord and we are living by our own self-righteousness.


Romans 10:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

The law of Moses includes the 10 commandments as Paul clearly shows in Romans 7:7.

Romans 7:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

 

[TheSearcherMan]

In the New Testament, there are many references to "Thou shall not" do this or that, referring to the 10 Commandments. Would you name one time anyone mentioned individually any other OT Laws or ordinances in the New Testament? Example, one ordinance says not to get tattoos. Leviticus19:28.

 

[aldy]

Sorry...one cannot separate out the Law of Moses. We either live by the life of Christ in us or by the law of Moses. There is no mixture.

Christ is our righteousness - not in us "keeping" the law of Moses. "law-keepers" have a very low esteem for the law of Moses and for the work of Christ as they negate the true purpose of both truths.

The fact still remains that the Christian is not under the law of Moses, has died to the law of Moses and has been released from the Law of Moses and until we start agreeing with the truths of the Lord Jesus Christ in His work - we will be creating our own works-based religion which actually denies the Lord Jesus Christ.

People are free to believe whatever they want but if we are basing our life on the "keeping of the law" - we are denying Christ and we will have to live by the law of Moses. We have fallen from grace that is in Christ Jesus our Lord and we are living by our own self-righteousness.

keeping of the law doesn't mean we are denying Christ,
Christ is our righteousness?yes:
before, the Jews everyday needed to offer up sacrifices for their sins to have righteousness, (NB:it's that law that got end)
Hebrews 7:27
27 | who needeth not daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for his own sins, and then for the 'sins' of the people: for this he did once for all, when he offered up himself.
but as you say, Christ is our righteousness, Christ offer up Himself as sacrifice not only for the sins of the Jews, but of all nation, and not everyday but only one day
Zechariah 3:9
9 | For, behold, the stone that I have set before Joshua; upon one stone are seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith Jehovah of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
it is the meaning of "Christ is our righteousness"

then,

keeping of the law doesn't mean we are denying Christ, but when we are accepting Christ, we keep the law automaticaly
because when we are accepting Christ,we are repenting to not sin no more
John 8:11
11 | And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.
and sin mean lawlessness
1John 3:4
4 | Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

if Christ is the end of the law, why Apostle kept the law
Acts 21:24
24 | these take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges for them, that they may shave their heads: and all shall know that there is no truth in the things whereof they have been informed concerning thee; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, keeping the law.

but He is actually the end of the law of priesthood,and circumcision, but not all the law, make attention
Mark 12:24
24 | Jesus said unto them, Is it not for this cause that ye err, that ye know not the scriptures, nor the power of God?

Romans 10:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

The law of Moses includes the 10 commandments as Paul clearly shows in Romans 7:7.

law of circumcision
Colossians 2:11
11 | in whom ye were also circumcised with a circumcision not made with hands, in the putting off of the body of the flesh, in the circumcision of Christ;

if we have faith in Christ, we don't need to be circumcised, but we need to be baptized (baptism mean circumcision not made with hands of our heart)

Romans 7:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; f

or I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

yes,when you know the law, you know that you are a sinner, and then you say "I was a bondservant of sin, I should repent and not sin no more"
John 8:34
34 | Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Every one that committeth sin is the bondservant of sin.
and if you are a bondservant of sin,your soul is die
Ezekiel 18:20
20 | The soul that sinneth, it shall die

and so, if you are accepting christ in baptism, your soul come back to life
Colossians 2:12
12 | having been buried with him in baptism, wherein ye were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

and when you come back to life through Christ, you don't sin no more
1John 3:6
6 | Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither knoweth him.

Ezekiel 20:43
43 | And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have polluted yourselves; and ye shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.

it mean:"under grace"
Romans 6:14
14 | For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law, but under grace.
It also mean, "Christ is our righteousness"

one under law keep the law because, he is forced, and so it is hard to keep it
but one under grace also keep the law because he has the Christ in Him, and he doesn't like sin so it is easy to keep it

that is the difference

 

[TheSearcherMan]

When you say keeps the Law, do you mean the Laws written on the tablets of stone? Or, the Law that is now written in our hearts since the Holy Spirit was given? It's seems like the Bible is very clear in the NT, we are not under the Laws written on the tablets of stone in the New Covenant. Your take on this?

 

[Grace777x70]

If one is going to live by the law - then he is obligated to live by all of it. There are no "parts" to the Law.

Saying that some are for us and some are not is just watering down the Law to make it seem "do-able" but in reality "law-keepers" have a very low respect for the Law and in fact break the law every day and they have a very low respect for the work of Christ too - or maybe a better term would be a very low understanding of the work of Christ.

Romans 10:4-5 (NASB)

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

We have died to the Law SO THAT we might live unto God.

Galatians 2:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.

There is no justification or right standing with God because one "keeps the law". Christians live by faith - faith in Christ and what He has already done and we live by His life in us now.

Galatians 3:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

The Law is NOT of faith and if you practice the Law - you must live by it.

Galatians 3:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."

When we are trying to keep the law of which circumcision is a part of - we are obligated to keep the whole law ( Remember there are NO PARTS to the law - it is either all or live by Christ by grace through faith in His finished work on the cross and resurrection )

Galatians 5:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

We can trust the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ in us to lead us into life in Him. Let's eat from the tree of Life - which is Christ Himself in us. The Law is eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Choose Christ. He is our life. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. ( in God - NOT in the keeping of the law of Moses )

 

[Hizikyah]

John (Yahanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

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John (Yahanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
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Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."


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Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


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John (Yahanan) 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
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John (Yahanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mattithyah 24:35, “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Heaven and earth may pass away[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]but My teachings will not pass away[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]
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[Hizikyah]

Romans 10:4-5 (NASB)

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

You continually misuse this

[FONT=Arial, serif]We are not righteous by following the Law of the Creator, but the Yahsua showed the intent or ultimate result of keeping the Law of the Creator.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]end (telos)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]result (telos) [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]end (telos)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]result (telos)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] of your faith--the salvation of your souls."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away in 1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9. Unless of course telos means the goal.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] #5056 [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif] telos {tel'-os}[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]from a primary tello (to set out for [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]a definite point or goal[/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif])[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]HELPS Word-studies[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] - [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]5056 t[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]élos [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif](a neuter noun) – properly, consummation ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]the end-goal, purpose[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]), such as closure with all its results.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]James 5:11, "Behold, we call them blessed that endured: ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]end[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] (telos)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] of the Lord, how that the Lord is full of pity, and merciful."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Yaaqob (James) 5:11, "Behold, we regard as blessed those who endure. You have heard of the patience of Iyyob, and have seen the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]ultimate result (telos)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] of Yahweh: that Yahweh is very compassionate and merciful."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]1 Timothy 1:5 New American Standard Bible[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]"But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]1 Timothy 1:5 King James Bible[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]"Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] #5056 [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif] telos {tel'-os}[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]from a primary tello (to set out for [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]a definite point or goal[/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif])[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial Greek, serif]HELPS Word-studies[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] - [/FONT][FONT=Arial Greek, serif]5056 t[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]élos [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif](a neuter noun) – properly, consummation ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]the end-goal, purpose[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]), such as closure with all its results.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Notice it is used 42 times? Let's look at a few of those times...[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Would you misapply that here and say that is the end of everlasting life? No more everlasting life, it is ended?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]The word for custom here is G5056; telos.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]So now if we end the Commandment (notice it is singular?) then the result is love (charity) out of a pure heart? Lawlessness produces love?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Now this one is a real problem for you misapplication of the word telos...[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]Oh no, the end of Christ?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]The end of faith?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, serif]The word is used in the sense of the end result, the goal, the outcome, not in the sense of the obliteration of the Law. [/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

Galatians 2:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.

and you continually misuse this:

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous*.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]13 Did that which is *righteous, then, become death to me?By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16 And if I did what I did not want to do, I agreed that the Law is righteous.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]17 As it was, it was no longer I myself who did it, but it was sin living in me.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]22 For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man*;[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]23 But I saw another law* at work in the members of my body, waging war against the Law in my *mind, and bringing me into captivity of the *law of sin, which is in my members.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]25 Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 8:2 Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif](Romans 7:13 Did that which is *righteous, then, become death to me?By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.)[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 8:3 For what the Law was powerless to do, in that men sought to defeat; overthrow, fit, Yahweh did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, to bear witness against sin. And so He condemned the sins of all mankind."[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Yahchanan (John) 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 8:5-8 (ESV), "For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God."[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

Isayah 8:20, "To theLaw and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."


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Revelation 12:17

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New American Standard Bible​

So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.​

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The Scriptures​

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah. ​

King James Bible​

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

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Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.​

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The word "commands" is word # G1785 - entolé, Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.​

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Revelation 14:12 - Parallel Verses

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The Scriptures​

Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.​

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New American Standard Bible​

Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.​

New International Version​

This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.​

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New Living Translation​

This means that God's holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.​

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English Standard Version​

Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.​

 

[Grace777x70]

There never has been anyone that was sinless in respect to the Law and especially in respect to the righteousness of God which only comes through faith in Christ alone - NOT in keeping the Law - that is self-righteousness.

Romans 3:21-23 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested,being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets
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[SUP]22 [/SUP] even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

[SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.


The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20

2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8

3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11

4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24

The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now, and the law of liberty in Christ Jesus and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ). The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.

But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.

Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.

People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.

If someone wants to observe a particular day , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so. These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.

It's where people are saying "You must observe these things or do these things in the Law or you are not obeying God" - that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work. Hebrews 4:10

 

[Hizikyah]

Isayah 53, "Who has believed our report? To whom is the arm of YHWH revealed? For He will grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground. He has no form nor comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by YHWH, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and YHWH has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut of from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. And He made His grave with the wicked, and with the rich in His death; but He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet His bruises; willful sacrifice, pleased YHWH; for He was put to much grief. Now He has brought the offering for sin. He will see His seed, He will prolong days, and the pleasure of YHWH will succeed in His hands. He will see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied; by His knowledge My righteous Servant will justify many, for He will bear their iniquities. Therefore, I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the plunder with the strong; because He poured out His soul to death, and He was numbered with the transgressors; and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

 

[Hizikyah]

Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.

Unless heaven and earth passes away

I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away

John (Yahanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

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John (Yahanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
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Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."


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Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


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John (Yahanan) 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
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John (Yahanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Mattithyah 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.
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[Hizikyah]

James 1:22-25, " But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does."

Acts 26:20 English Standard Version
"but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God (YHWH), performing deeds in keeping with their repentance."

Acts 26:20 King James Bible
"But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God (YHWH), and do works meet for repentance."

Acts 3:19 Parallel Verses
"Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out; that times of refreshing may come from the presence of YHWH."

New International Version
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

New Living Translation
Now repent of your sins and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped away.

English Standard Version
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,

New American Standard Bible
"Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

King James Bible
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

 

[gb9]

all that is true, but it does not point back to the Law of Moses.

 

[Hizikyah]

all that is true, but it does not point back to the Law of Moses.

In Moses day they had animal sacrifice, we have the Sacrifice Messiah offered up, Himself

In Moses day they had the Levitical priesthood, today we have the High Priet after the order of the Malak Zadiq, Yahshua/Jesus....

It points to faith in Yahshua/Jesus and obedience to YHWH's Instructions/Torah/Law/Commandments:

Isayah 8:20, "To theLaw and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
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Revelation 12:17
​

New American Standard Bible​

So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.​

​

The Scriptures​

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah. ​

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King James Bible​

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.​

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The word "commands" is word # G1785 - entolé, Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.​

Revelation 14:12 ​

Parallel Verses​

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The Scriptures​

Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.​

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New American Standard Bible​

Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.​

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New International Version​

This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.​

New Living Translation​

This means that God's holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.​

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English Standard Version​

Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
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[Grace777x70]

We do have laws in the New Covenant. They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.

The commandments in the New Covenant are clearly seen in 1 John 3:23 - to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for all things and to love one another.

There is no greater revelation than to know Him and the Father and to plumb the depths of their love and grace towards us which Paul says in Eph. 2:7 - the Father will be doing for all the ages to come to us.

Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.

Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

We now live by:

1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )

2) The law of love ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )

3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )

4) The law of liberty ( James 1:25 )

5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.

Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )

Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)

[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus does "point back" to the laws given Moses with His Light.........

Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Here, Jesus Christ is teaching the Law, however H is applying understanding and mercy, justice, and faith.

In the law it is required to return to your neighbor any injury he should cause you to have be it poking out your eye, cutting off your hand, whatever.......the perpetrator is to receive the same according to the law.

Yet, our blessed, merciful and all-wise Savior teaches us what? He teaches us to noto obey this Levitical law because it is without mercy, justice and faith. We creatures of teh Crator, our Father, are just plains too stupid to know what vengeance is, true vengeance that is, though I suspect I have been given a light knowledge of vengeance.

As it is written, vengeance belongs to God. I once asked myself why? Simple, because He knows exactly what is required, and I tell you most times He will do nothing for the vengeance is seen by dHim with time caused by whoever is guilty. Even juidgment to damnation and the fire will come out of the mouths of those who are judged, for it is written tehy will be juidged by their own words.

Everything is perfectly in order. Faith tells us and teaches our hearts never to judga others, ev en when the infraction(s) are obvious, however we must pray for salvation for all, even for those who trespass against us.

It is wonderful to be free of judging others in this manner, what a blessing, and what freedom, amen.

Anyone who says Jesus Christ does not teach and clarify the Lw within His gosple does not understand much about grace and love. How can anyone be truly free of the curse of the law if he has not learned these wonders from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Yes, Jesus Chrsit teaches us how to understand the law lawfully in love and grace. If you know what He teaches in HIs gospel, you know He explains the law, this is teaching............

The quote from Matthew is just one of the many times our Lord Jesus Christ teaches us how to use the law lawfully in His very teaching and by His example..........we should always strive to follow Him and His example......