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I think that this study should be taken very seriously. People like to disagree on these matters although they need to remember what God said, the sun, moon and stars are for signs.
We have seen time and time again God using the sky and the earth as His way of warning humanity GET READY something big is about to happen.
I have done a lot of research on Revelation 12 and it seems that this would fit perfectly to the constellations around the date of the 23rd September 2017.
It is a very deep and interesting study especially when you look at events throughout history and how it's all connected.
We have seen time and time again God using the sky and the earth as His way of warning humanity GET READY something big is about to happen.
I have done a lot of research on Revelation 12 and it seems that this would fit perfectly to the constellations around the date of the 23rd September 2017.
It is a very deep and interesting study especially when you look at events throughout history and how it's all connected.
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The sign at Jesus' birth couldn't have been all that spectacular because when the wise men came, they didn't seem to know anything about it. By that I mean, it wasn't something every eye took note of. Because it says when the people and Herod heard the wise men say they saw His star rise, they were all deeply disturbed.
The Zodiac… men connecting dots in order to seek after their own signs they created are not His signs. We can make the stars into any shape we desire to paint a picture coming from the imagination of ones own heart .The sky the limit just believe or have faith in your own self .Its a evil generation (natural man) that does seek after them. Prophecy for those who believe we are to walk by faith the unseen eternal.
Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:12
Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Isa 47:12
The parable found in Revelation 12 is a picture of the bride\wife of Christ the new creation she is first revealed in another parable found in Genesis 3:15.
With all due respect no one is walking on water I am offering a suggestion thinking about the phrase... its an evil generation that seeks after a sign (the temporal seen…2 Corinthians 4:18) Christ called that generation of natural man that does draw a line from one spot to another and calls it an authority equal to the word of God, calling them false prophets. I have believed more towards what you are offering but like many things re thinking. In a hope of not judging seeing only one is qualified. Sorry if I did offend you.
That which I did at one time trust would not appear to me as walking by faith, you could say I had doubts which is not the opposites of faith . I would think if there were any lines drawn from point to point by literally looking up it would be more like walking by sight. If a person goes above that which is written, as the same spirit of faith according as it is written it could lead to another kind of authority I believe. Although the heavens do declare the unseen glory of God to one who has already been given faith to believe .They speak nothing of his love or how we can believe him seeing he has no form.
2Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
The same spirit of faith, the mutual Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of God, the incorruptible seed. And not the corrupted spirit of sight as already having received the reward.
It would be like in the opening declaration below. At what spot in the universe do we first draw our line and to which direction do we go to form it, how many spots are neeed?
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Job 38:4
With all due respect no one is walking on water I am offering a suggestion thinking about the phrase... its an evil generation that seeks after a sign (the temporal seen…2 Corinthians 4:18) Christ called that generation of natural man that does draw a line from one spot to another and calls it an authority equal to the word of God, calling them false prophets. I have believed more towards what you are offering but like many things re thinking. In a hope of not judging seeing only one is qualified. Sorry if I did offend you.
That which I did at one time trust would not appear to me as walking by faith, you could say I had doubts which is not the opposites of faith . I would think if there were any lines drawn from point to point by literally looking up it would be more like walking by sight. If a person goes above that which is written, as the same spirit of faith according as it is written it could lead to another kind of authority I believe. Although the heavens do declare the unseen glory of God to one who has already been given faith to believe .They speak nothing of his love or how we can believe him seeing he has no form.
2Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
The same spirit of faith, the mutual Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of God, the incorruptible seed. And not the corrupted spirit of sight as already having received the reward.
It would be like in the opening declaration below. At what spot in the universe do we first draw our line and to which direction do we go to form it, how many spots are neeed?
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Job 38:4
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I know you're not saying anything is going to happen. I keep writing stuff and then backspacing it. Someone said we don't have long to wait. He was smart. But I only have 20 posts, so not much reputation to protect. If nothing happens I can just come back under another name. What would be good, Dave Waterman? Maybe we should just be silent before the Day of the Lord.
I remember having various ideas about these three numbers from Daniel 12. But the way they fit in between the eclipses forced me to try them concurrently, rather than put them end to end in a consecutive style. Before 2015, I thought that the "daily sacrifice" and the AofD were two events separated by 1290 days. Like:
D/S<-------1290------->AofD
During the summer of 2015 I changed my view to try both the D/S AND the AofD as two different events on the same day. Are the 1290 days just another additional answer to the original question asked by one of the "others" standing by the banks of the river:"how long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
Simple: A time times and a half a time, or 1260 days.
But Daniel doesn't understand and asks again: "what shall be the end of these things?
This time the man clothed in linen Himself gives another answer, providing additional detail?, to the original questions of how long will it be until the end?
From the time that the "daily" is taken away until the AofD is set up there will be 1290 days. 1290 days until what? Until the end, the end of these wonders. What if both the 1260th day AND the 1290th day are on the same day. What if this is the "last day", the end of these wonders. The 1290 day span begins 30 days before day one of the 1260, but both spans of time share the same last day. If that's the way it works, this would be the "last day", the day "Immediately after the tribulation" of those days when the sun is "darkened" and the moon will not give her light.
DS/AofD<-------1290------->Sun/Moon
What does this have to do with the Revelation 12 sign???
Well, if the AofD could be found, we can have a lock fit with that sun and moon.
What I think is going to happen comes from overlaying the Olivet's AofD on top of Luke 17's "days of Lot". Luke 17 replaces Matthew's AofD with the "days of Lot" but they both go into the exact same:
"On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back.
But where Matthew says "for then there will be great tribulation, Luke talks about the day when Lot left out of Sodom and fire and sulfur rained from heaven. So will it be on the day that the Son of Man is revealed.
A couple of months after the sign in heaven, Jupiter exits the body of Virgo and joins Venus in a conjunction. The two brightest objects in our visible sky will combine to underscore Jupiter's presence in the heavens. Now, that day of the conjunction also marks out a "third", 420days, of a 1260 day span of time when measured to the "darkened" sun.
Will the Son of Man be revealed through His actions, like on the day that Lot left out from Sodom?
We shall soon see.
I remember having various ideas about these three numbers from Daniel 12. But the way they fit in between the eclipses forced me to try them concurrently, rather than put them end to end in a consecutive style. Before 2015, I thought that the "daily sacrifice" and the AofD were two events separated by 1290 days. Like:
D/S<-------1290------->AofD
During the summer of 2015 I changed my view to try both the D/S AND the AofD as two different events on the same day. Are the 1290 days just another additional answer to the original question asked by one of the "others" standing by the banks of the river:"how long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
Simple: A time times and a half a time, or 1260 days.
But Daniel doesn't understand and asks again: "what shall be the end of these things?
This time the man clothed in linen Himself gives another answer, providing additional detail?, to the original questions of how long will it be until the end?
From the time that the "daily" is taken away until the AofD is set up there will be 1290 days. 1290 days until what? Until the end, the end of these wonders. What if both the 1260th day AND the 1290th day are on the same day. What if this is the "last day", the end of these wonders. The 1290 day span begins 30 days before day one of the 1260, but both spans of time share the same last day. If that's the way it works, this would be the "last day", the day "Immediately after the tribulation" of those days when the sun is "darkened" and the moon will not give her light.
DS/AofD<-------1290------->Sun/Moon
What does this have to do with the Revelation 12 sign???
Well, if the AofD could be found, we can have a lock fit with that sun and moon.
What I think is going to happen comes from overlaying the Olivet's AofD on top of Luke 17's "days of Lot". Luke 17 replaces Matthew's AofD with the "days of Lot" but they both go into the exact same:
"On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back.
But where Matthew says "for then there will be great tribulation, Luke talks about the day when Lot left out of Sodom and fire and sulfur rained from heaven. So will it be on the day that the Son of Man is revealed.
A couple of months after the sign in heaven, Jupiter exits the body of Virgo and joins Venus in a conjunction. The two brightest objects in our visible sky will combine to underscore Jupiter's presence in the heavens. Now, that day of the conjunction also marks out a "third", 420days, of a 1260 day span of time when measured to the "darkened" sun.
Will the Son of Man be revealed through His actions, like on the day that Lot left out from Sodom?
We shall soon see.
A sign from God about a major event would be seen by everyone not just a select few who happen to have heard about it and took the trouble to investigate. In any case if this is a special sign what are we supposed to do about it that we havn't done already There is only about nine weeks before it appears.
I don't necessarily agree with the bolded.....the bible is very clear about those who have eyes being able to see....as a matter of fact, other than salvation the word of God has been primarily for the saved and or believers.....and regardless....as the end of the age approaches the majority of humanity is blind to anything that comes from God.....I will also add....Revelation was written and given to churches....Not the lost.......
We will see what happens, but as usual with date-setting my guess is the same as always: Nothing.
So far 100% track record and you can get back to me on September 24th and I will tell you: I told you so.
The same thing happened with 4 blood moons and everything.
But dcontroversal could be right that this is a sign of the end times progressing, I am happy he did not go ahead and predict a rapture or anything crazy like that.
I just see on YouTube many people predict the rapture on that date. I hope people will not sell everything they own like they did in 2011 with the false prediction of Harold Camping
So far 100% track record and you can get back to me on September 24th and I will tell you: I told you so.
The same thing happened with 4 blood moons and everything.
But dcontroversal could be right that this is a sign of the end times progressing, I am happy he did not go ahead and predict a rapture or anything crazy like that.
I just see on YouTube many people predict the rapture on that date. I hope people will not sell everything they own like they did in 2011 with the false prediction of Harold Camping
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First, using the zodiac to predict the future is New Age and occult. Forget this nonsense about "Biblical" astronomy. Different cultures have called the patterns in the sky by totally different names. And this entire thread is about trying to use earthly signs, like astrology, to predict the end.
This is not prophecy or interpretation at all! It is evil, because Satan originated the whole concept of the zodiac. Yes, they are God's stars. He put them in place and started them in motion! The catch is that as the solar system travels through the universe, the constellations relative to us, change! The constellations that existed in John's time, it for that matter, when God created the universe have changed! They are variable, and should not be used for this kind of New Age prophecy thinly disguised with a few Scriptures, as usual, torn out of context.
The fact is, Jesus told us the one sign that matters in Matt 24!
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Matt 24:14
How I long for the time when I can come to the BDF and see threads about the new countries and tribes where the gospel is being preached! How marvellous to hear of whole cultures coming to Christ!
This whole idle speculation is typical of American culture, which is all about self! About Jesus coming for me! Not about Jesus returning to a world, where there will be people from "every tribe and kindred!"
If you want to look at Revelation, try this verse!
"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands." Rev 7:9
How did all that multitude get there? Well, someone preached the gospel to them! That is God's Plan A, and there is no Plan B!
"How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?" Romans 10:14
Some if you have heard me say this before! I am pointing no fingers. But are you part of the problem, sitting around looking at the sky for Jesus return?
"Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” Acts 1:11
Or, are you part of the solution -preaching the gospel to the lost, at home and abroad? And if you can't go, then pray for God to send forth workers into the fields, which are ripe for harvest.
"Therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest." Matt 9:28
Please stop this idle and fruitless chatter, and instead, let us focus on doing the task every Christian has been called to do! And that is share the gospel with the lost!
This is not prophecy or interpretation at all! It is evil, because Satan originated the whole concept of the zodiac. Yes, they are God's stars. He put them in place and started them in motion! The catch is that as the solar system travels through the universe, the constellations relative to us, change! The constellations that existed in John's time, it for that matter, when God created the universe have changed! They are variable, and should not be used for this kind of New Age prophecy thinly disguised with a few Scriptures, as usual, torn out of context.
The fact is, Jesus told us the one sign that matters in Matt 24!
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Matt 24:14
How I long for the time when I can come to the BDF and see threads about the new countries and tribes where the gospel is being preached! How marvellous to hear of whole cultures coming to Christ!
This whole idle speculation is typical of American culture, which is all about self! About Jesus coming for me! Not about Jesus returning to a world, where there will be people from "every tribe and kindred!"
If you want to look at Revelation, try this verse!
"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands." Rev 7:9
How did all that multitude get there? Well, someone preached the gospel to them! That is God's Plan A, and there is no Plan B!
"How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?" Romans 10:14
Some if you have heard me say this before! I am pointing no fingers. But are you part of the problem, sitting around looking at the sky for Jesus return?
"Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” Acts 1:11
Or, are you part of the solution -preaching the gospel to the lost, at home and abroad? And if you can't go, then pray for God to send forth workers into the fields, which are ripe for harvest.
"Therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest." Matt 9:28
Please stop this idle and fruitless chatter, and instead, let us focus on doing the task every Christian has been called to do! And that is share the gospel with the lost!
You miss my point. The only people who will sse this whether they are Christian or not are those who comb the internet for U Tube presentation or those into astronomy with telescopes and Apps that show the constellations. How many people on this site would have known about this if they hadn't read peoples posts telling them it was going to happen and shoving U tube presentations under their noses. . I know I wouldnt have known any other way.
Go study the Mazzaroth mentioned in job then mouth.....I personally am tired of every time someone posts something you chime in Angela with this ALL knowing wisdom and then began touting your education....the bible is clear...the first on the list is SIGNS and then SEASONS and the bible is equally clear that BIBLICAL ASTRONOMY IS ACCEPTABLE AND NOT SOMETHING TO BE DISMISSED! The only idle chatter is your diatribe against most threads...THIS IS BIBLE discussion and the BIBLE contains way more than just the gospel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND if you don't like the subject.....go find a thread you can rip someone else in!
AND if you don't like the subject.....go find a thread you can rip someone else in!
It feels like finger pointing.
I kind of like this one though.
It seems creative or clever.
But I'm not a man from Galilee. God's people have always been interested in knowing when Jesus would return. Even those men of Galilee asked on the Mount called Olivet: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
I know, but it's just like the 1st century Visitation where not many were aware of it. Just a handful of close family and some wise men. Even when He started His ministry people had doubts about who He was. Remember John the Baptist when he was in jail sent his people to ask Jesus, are you the one we're waiting for?
I don't know what to do about it. I think this is it. We're living in the final minutes of a delay. But I don't know what to do. Just wait it out. Because it's not just this Revelation 12 sign. There's several other things that can never be replaced in time. Historical events and decrees that all add up and frame in the same span of time. There might be nine weeks before the sign appears but what I look at is mid November all the way until the last day of the year. The last seven weeks of the year.
I know in my heart that you are right, but i couldn't help it. Eclipses and conjunctions and the various specifications of this sign have dates associated with them. I can't know what event comes next, but I bet something Big,.. is going to happen before 2019 is over with.
And I doubt I can explain myself tonight, but when Jesus said:“But concerning that day and hour no one knows", I don't think that He was talking about the actual day of the second coming. Because He goes on to describe the days prior to the start of the flood: "For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
The day and hour no one knows is the start of the thing He was talking about "for then there will be great tribulation,like the days before the flood. Jesus has to wait for the Father to give the nod for this great tribulation to start. It's like a conflict of interests. Jesus is our Savior, our intercessor. He stands in the way, in between humanity and the Wrath of God. As soon as He gets the go ahead to step out of the way, it's seal four and a quarter of mankind are, in trouble. Men's hearts will fail them for fear of what is coming on the earth.
I kind of like this one though.
It seems creative or clever.
But I'm not a man from Galilee. God's people have always been interested in knowing when Jesus would return. Even those men of Galilee asked on the Mount called Olivet: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
I know, but it's just like the 1st century Visitation where not many were aware of it. Just a handful of close family and some wise men. Even when He started His ministry people had doubts about who He was. Remember John the Baptist when he was in jail sent his people to ask Jesus, are you the one we're waiting for?
I don't know what to do about it. I think this is it. We're living in the final minutes of a delay. But I don't know what to do. Just wait it out. Because it's not just this Revelation 12 sign. There's several other things that can never be replaced in time. Historical events and decrees that all add up and frame in the same span of time. There might be nine weeks before the sign appears but what I look at is mid November all the way until the last day of the year. The last seven weeks of the year.
"Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light.
And there's probably going to be no net or electricity after the first trumpet hits and knocks the satellites out. Still it would be an honor to have a chance to be alive to witness the Lord's return.
I know in my heart that you are right, but i couldn't help it. Eclipses and conjunctions and the various specifications of this sign have dates associated with them. I can't know what event comes next, but I bet something Big,.. is going to happen before 2019 is over with.
And I doubt I can explain myself tonight, but when Jesus said:“But concerning that day and hour no one knows", I don't think that He was talking about the actual day of the second coming. Because He goes on to describe the days prior to the start of the flood: "For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
The day and hour no one knows is the start of the thing He was talking about "for then there will be great tribulation,like the days before the flood. Jesus has to wait for the Father to give the nod for this great tribulation to start. It's like a conflict of interests. Jesus is our Savior, our intercessor. He stands in the way, in between humanity and the Wrath of God. As soon as He gets the go ahead to step out of the way, it's seal four and a quarter of mankind are, in trouble. Men's hearts will fail them for fear of what is coming on the earth.