For Those Who Speak In Tongues

[u23rn4m3]

Jesus said you would have the Signs...why not believe him !?
the book of acts clearly defines when one is filled with the spirit...!!
Rom 8v9 no spirit non of his..!! just trying to make people see the truth rather than religious nonsense which is how the people, were in Jesus time and he showed the many times how far they were wrong..and they crucified him..

people like..by Grace your saved..no..or Faith..or confess the Lord Jesus..(actually means to say the same as ..signs etc) or God so loved the word..etc ITS ALL...including Gods directive to Repent..from religious nonsense..be Baptized..full immersion and receive the HOLY GHOST..the first 2 are your part, as obedience.. the last is HIS and it is shown what happens then..in acts...etc

Are you trying to say I have the ability to speak in tounges, and I just don't believe it?
No, I really dont
The other person had summer it up nicely, sometimes we get caught up and feel like we need to do it and unintentionally fake it.
That was a long, long time ago and my Faith wasn't even very strong yet.

 

[sassylady]

No such thing in the Bible. If you have accepted Christ you are saved. I have the gift of tongues but have never once saw anybody healed when I laid hands on them. Other people see people healed often when they lay hands on them and don't have the gift of tongues. I wish I understood myself why not everybody has the gift of tongues, but one day we will know.

 

[atwhatcost]

I'm still confused. Are you trying to say you have to be able to speak in tounges to be a Christian? Because that's not true.

Since he's the one who didn't out-and-out tell me I'm not a Christian but seriously hinted at it over the weekend, and since he won't answer you straight up, let me answer for him. YES! That's exactly what his mumbo jumbo is all about. He's a holiness person. Not the same thing as a Christian.

The type Kaylagirl told us about on page 1.

 

[kaylagrl]

Since he's the one who didn't out-and-out tell me I'm not a Christian but seriously hinted at it over the weekend, and since he won't answer you straight up, let me answer for him. YES! That's exactly what his mumbo jumbo is all about. He's a holiness person. Not the same thing as a Christian.

The type Kaylagirl told us about on page 1.

You got it! Very perceptive sister!

 

[senzi]

First of all apologies for another "tongues" thread but I just wanted opinions of those who do speak in tongues. Is it your opinion that those without this gift are unsaved?

Absolutely not! There is no scriptural basis for such a belief at all, in fact just the opposite

 

[kaylagrl]

Since he's the one who didn't out-and-out tell me I'm not a Christian but seriously hinted at it over the weekend, and since he won't answer you straight up, let me answer for him. YES! That's exactly what his mumbo jumbo is all about. He's a holiness person. Not the same thing as a Christian.

The type Kaylagirl told us about on page 1.

Im from Canada and there it would be called the United Pentecostal church.Down here in the states I think they are known as Oneness or Jesus Only.

They do not believe in the trinity. They believe in baptism as part of salvation and in Jesus name only,therefore the moniker Jesus Only comes in. They believe you must speak in tongues to be saved.Differing beliefs came out of the holiness movement and Jesus Only was one.Then you would have the "regular" Pentecostals that believe speaking in tongues is a gift but not needed for salvation.

One top of that they have very particular beliefs about holiness living...My girlfriend at school use to wear her long denim skirt in gym class,long hair down past her waist.My sister married into a Jesus Only family.Very rude and very strict.They dont like me at all.lol

"We wholeheartedly disapprove of our people indulging in any activities which are not conducive to good Christianity and Godly living, such as theaters, dances, mixed bathing, women cutting their hair, make-up, amusements, and unwholesome radio programs and music. Furthermore, because of the display of all these evils ontelevision, we disapprove of any of our people having television sets in their homes. We admonish all of our people to refrain from any of these practices in the interest of spiritual progress and the soon coming of the Lord for His church." http://www.spiritualabuse.org/upcbeliefs.html And also...Under a section entitled 'Public School Activities' it is stated:
We disapprove of school students attending shows, dances, dancing classes, theatres, engaging in school activities against their religious scruples, and wearing gymnasium clothes which immodestly expose the body.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]"We disapprove of school students being forced to take co-educational classes which involve boys and girls being mixed together in swimming, calisthenics, baseball, and other mixed athletics while clothed in ungodly attire which immodestly exposes the body.[/FONT]

 

[MadParrotWoman]

According to the poll so far at least 1 person believes this.

 

[kaylagrl]

According to the poll so far at least 1 person believes this.

Its a pity then because they are wrong.Growing up Pentecostal I got attacked by people saying "you believe you have to talk in tongues to be saved" and I'd have to explain to them,as I did above, that that was Jesus Only not "regular" Pentecostals.

 

[atwhatcost]

Im from Canada and there it would be called the United Pentecostal church.Down here in the states I think they are known as Oneness or Jesus Only.

They do not believe in the trinity. They believe in baptism as part of salvation and in Jesus name only,therefore the moniker Jesus Only comes in. They believe you must speak in tongues to be saved.Differing beliefs came out of the holiness movement and Jesus Only was one.Then you would have the "regular" Pentecostals that believe speaking in tongues is a gift but not needed for salvation.

One top of that they have very particular beliefs about holiness living...My girlfriend at school use to wear her long denim skirt in gym class,long hair down past her waist.My sister married into a Jesus Only family.Very rude and very strict.They dont like me at all.lol

"We wholeheartedly disapprove of our people indulging in any activities which are not conducive to good Christianity and Godly living, such as theaters, dances, mixed bathing, women cutting their hair, make-up, amusements, and unwholesome radio programs and music. Furthermore, because of the display of all these evils ontelevision, we disapprove of any of our people having television sets in their homes. We admonish all of our people to refrain from any of these practices in the interest of spiritual progress and the soon coming of the Lord for His church." http://www.spiritualabuse.org/upcbeliefs.html And also...Under a section entitled 'Public School Activities' it is stated:
We disapprove of school students attending shows, dances, dancing classes, theatres, engaging in school activities against their religious scruples, and wearing gymnasium clothes which immodestly expose the body.
"We disapprove of school students being forced to take co-educational classes which involve boys and girls being mixed together in swimming, calisthenics, baseball, and other mixed athletics while clothed in ungodly attire which immodestly exposes the body.

Gee, they'd be disapproving me so often, they wouldn't have time to do anything else. lol

 

[atwhatcost]

According to the poll so far at least 1 person believes this.

Hmmm, I wonder who believes this.

 

[kaylagrl]

Gee, they'd be disapproving me so often, they wouldn't have time to do anything else. lol

I know,me too! My brother in law went to my father and told him I should be wearing dresses when I visited he and my sister.My father actually came to me,I wasnt married at the time.I told him if my BIL had something to say he could come say it to my face. Then I told my BIL he married my SISTER and he'd be smart to not confuse the two and Id wear whatever I pleased.Then one day he was driving my sister and I to church.It was just he and I in the car waiting on her.I bent to fasten my seat belt and he said he could see my breasts,used another not so nice term. I said "keep your eyes where they're suppose to be and you wont see my breasts." Needless to say Im probably not his favorite person.They're big on the outward appearance.Im all for modesty but Im not a Muslim and dont intend to look like one.

 

[atwhatcost]

Its a pity then because they are wrong.Growing up Pentecostal I got attacked by people saying "you believe you have to talk in tongues to be saved" and I'd have to explain to them,as I did above, that that was Jesus Only not "regular" Pentecostals.

I was saved through the musical Jesus Christ Superstar. I asked God to make himself as real to me as the actor on the stage. I was saved. Just didn't know what to do about it.

On the bus to school the next morning my friend asked me if I wanted to go to a Bible Study. It was before school started and Jeff, the guy who ran it, was Pentecostal. He taught that speaking in tongues was a sign of having the Holy Spirit in me. He never mentioned salvation. (Meaning I don't know if he thought the two were equal or not, and I was just too new to know anything at all, so I never asked.) At his coffee house, a group laid hands and prayed over me for two hours waiting for me to speak in tongues.

Can't do it. I even have trouble faking a southern accent. No talent for tongues either. Fortunately, someone with me had to go home for curfew. (We were already past our curfew, so...whew! lol)

The first things I ever learned about God were through Jeff and my Bible. (He gave me one. It lasted a good ten years.) But Mom died, I had to move back with Dad in another state, and I was raised Catholic, so I kept trying to stay Catholic and looking for born-again Catholics. That didn't work out, so in college I found a little Pentecostal Church and kept going to mass. (God thing masses were on Saturday nights too back then lol) That little church didn't believe tongues was needed.

After I graduated and moved again, it took me a good 1.5 years to latch on to my next church, where I met hubby. That church was nondenom, Pentecostal, and Charismatic. Somewhere in between I had done enough Bible reading to resolve the "am I even saved if I can't speak in tongues issue." (Um, yeah! Most certainly!) That's also about the time I latched on to those 4-5 syllables and thought I was speaking in tongues, but it was effort to make it sound right. (Part of my proof that it wasn't really tongues.)

Hubby was speaking in tongues even before I met him, so he just came to me like that. lol But the church we were part of had no qualms about tongues/salvation/anointing of the Spirit stuff.

Saved is saved. It comes with anointing of the spirit, since that first-time-ever-anointing only took 50 days when it happened, and even before that the apostles were saved. They simply took a while to get the anointing, because Jesus had to die, rise again, teach them clearer what he hid before then, and then go home. Since he did all that way back when, there is no longer a waiting period before the anointing. (I'm not entirely sure where I figured all that out, since, I suspect, some of it came from studying the Bible, some from the teachings in that church and much from -- by then -- hubby. BUT I finally got all that, so I'm still annoyed I wasted six years worrying about saved, simply because I can't speak in tongues.)

Then a Big Wig, Ern Baxter, from that church came to town. (I really don't know a better term for who those guys were, but we were nondenom, so didn't have a council or presbytery, yet somehow we were linked to five guys in Florida -- Bob Mumford, Derek Prince, Charles Ross, Ern Baxter, and a couple other names I never really saw or heard from, so forget who they were. All I know is they often had articles in Christianity Today, so other people might know the names. But they used to come to our church to teach and exhort -- especially since the fiasco with the Jimmy-Jones-like pastor who ended up convincing a lot of people to go down to Florida, so he could "minister" to Bob Munford, while the other people worked their butts off to "tithe" to him, so he had his own version of a paycheck. So they stopped by often after that fiasco because the members of the church really needed to heal after that, as did Mumford, because he didn't realize exactly what was going on until everyone fell apart. Long story. I suspect I'll tell the whole thing another time. But this part is about Ern Baxter, a wonderful teacher and preacher of the Lord before he died. At least, I'm assuming he died. He was in his 70's in the early 1980's. lol) Ern had a syllabus -- a 3-5 page list of books he thought every believer should have -- that anyone interested could pick up from a table when he preached one night. Hubby did pick it up.

Then he took it to the main building of the Philadelphia Public Library (our library system is one of the biggest in the country, so it has almost every book you could possibly want), and spent five hours in the reference section (not to be confused with you can take home any book you want -- reference material stays in the library) and then came home with a list of must-buy books. Among them was our first (but not last, since he wore them out) Strong's Concordance, our first Thayer's, our only John Owens, some Gordon Clarke, Calvin's Institutes, and all of Francis Schaeffer's books. (I added to the Schaeffer collection by buying some Edith Schaeffer's books. Great book for any women when she first makes her own nest... err home -- married or single. I was also clueless on anything remotely connected to being a good wife or homemaker. I can clean. I just didn't know anything about being thrifty, or fixing up a home, or artistic concepts for making a house into a home.)

And within 2-4 years we became Reformed. (What Calvinist call ourselves, because we really don't follow Calvin. We follow God.) When we went to the classes to join the church we consider ourselves part of now, (we feel like that church is our home, but our home was a Church-planting of that church, then that folded after I got disabled, and then he got sick, and before we knew it we couldn't go to any church anymore, but we keep up, and he still listens to the audios of the sermons, so it's home), they told the class that they thought tongues ceased, but that's not a doctrine. That's simply church beliefs. But they also wanted everyone to know there is no tongue-talking during service, so if any of us were uncomfortable with that, they probably weren't the best church to join.

I don't speak tongues, so didn't care personally, but had to check with hubby. He was fine with not speaking in tongues at church anyway, since it's rare to get an interpreter.

But that pretty much explains my background in Pentecostalism, my understanding that most Pentecostals don't have tongues as a need-to, and how we switched churches anyway, so it's simply not an issue.

I know tongues are real. I simply don't do it. I also don't pick up poisonous snakes to prove a point. (My brother has, and got bit, but that wasn't his point. He just likes snakes and found a couple of copperheads so took them home and made them pets. He's been bit once by every snake he ever had. lol) I see no purpose in swallowing poison on purpose. (You'd think those who believe tongues is the proof of the anointing would do both of those routinely too. lol)

I also am not a teacher, a healer, nor an evangelist. I find it odd that those things don't disqualify me in some people's minds, since not speaking another language does to them. I think those are bigger problems. I consider myself a digit. Not sure if I'm a finger or a toe, but I am in the body of Christ and do my gifts when I can.

This is one. This is me exhorting, in real-life terms, that tongue-talking is real, but it's not the criteria for salvation. Jesus is that.

Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise, oh ye, new believers. (Was that a good Bible-thumping preacher line? lol) And don't let people tell you someone isn't saved simply because of the church they go to. Rarely does anyone go into this much detail to explain how one can be saved yet in a church deemed "heretical." You just never know.

 

[atwhatcost]

I know,me too! My brother in law went to my father and told him I should be wearing dresses when I visited he and my sister.My father actually came to me,I wasnt married at the time.I told him if my BIL had something to say he could come say it to my face. Then I told my BIL he married my SISTER and he'd be smart to not confuse the two and Id wear whatever I pleased.Then one day he was driving my sister and I to church.It was just he and I in the car waiting on her.I bent to fasten my seat belt and he said he could see my breasts,used another not so nice term. I said "keep your eyes where they're suppose to be and you wont see my breasts." Needless to say Im probably not his favorite person.They're big on the outward appearance.Im all for modesty but Im not a Muslim and dont intend to look like one.

In my family, the proper comeback phrase would have been "stop working so hard to look, perv."

 

[kaylagrl]

I was saved through the musical Jesus Christ Superstar. I asked God to make himself as real to me as the actor on the stage. I was saved. Just didn't know what to do about it.

On the bus to school the next morning my friend asked me if I wanted to go to a Bible Study. It was before school started and Jeff, the guy who ran it, was Pentecostal. He taught that speaking in tongues was a sign of having the Holy Spirit in me. He never mentioned salvation. (Meaning I don't know if he thought the two were equal or not, and I was just too new to know anything at all, so I never asked.) At his coffee house, a group laid hands and prayed over me for two hours waiting for me to speak in tongues.

Can't do it. I even have trouble faking a southern accent. No talent for tongues either. Fortunately, someone with me had to go home for curfew. (We were already past our curfew, so...whew! lol)

The first things I ever learned about God were through Jeff and my Bible. (He gave me one. It lasted a good ten years.) But Mom died, I had to move back with Dad in another state, and I was raised Catholic, so I kept trying to stay Catholic and looking for born-again Catholics. That didn't work out, so in college I found a little Pentecostal Church and kept going to mass. (God thing masses were on Saturday nights too back then lol) That little church didn't believe tongues was needed.

After I graduated and moved again, it took me a good 1.5 years to latch on to my next church, where I met hubby. That church was nondenom, Pentecostal, and Charismatic. Somewhere in between I had done enough Bible reading to resolve the "am I even saved if I can't speak in tongues issue." (Um, yeah! Most certainly!) That's also about the time I latched on to those 4-5 syllables and thought I was speaking in tongues, but it was effort to make it sound right. (Part of my proof that it wasn't really tongues.)

Hubby was speaking in tongues even before I met him, so he just came to me like that. lol But the church we were part of had no qualms about tongues/salvation/anointing of the Spirit stuff.

Saved is saved. It comes with anointing of the spirit, since that first-time-ever-anointing only took 50 days when it happened, and even before that the apostles were saved. They simply took a while to get the anointing, because Jesus had to die, rise again, teach them clearer what he hid before then, and then go home. Since he did all that way back when, there is no longer a waiting period before the anointing. (I'm not entirely sure where I figured all that out, since, I suspect, some of it came from studying the Bible, some from the teachings in that church and much from -- by then -- hubby. BUT I finally got all that, so I'm still annoyed I wasted six years worrying about saved, simply because I can't speak in tongues.)

Then a Big Wig, Ern Baxter, from that church came to town. (I really don't know a better term for who those guys were, but we were nondenom, so didn't have a council or presbytery, yet somehow we were linked to five guys in Florida -- Bob Mumford, Derek Prince, Charles Ross, Ern Baxter, and a couple other names I never really saw or heard from, so forget who they were. All I know is they often had articles in Christianity Today, so other people might know the names. But they used to come to our church to teach and exhort -- especially since the fiasco with the Jimmy-Jones-like pastor who ended up convincing a lot of people to go down to Florida, so he could "minister" to Bob Munford, while the other people worked their butts off to "tithe" to him, so he had his own version of a paycheck. So they stopped by often after that fiasco because the members of the church really needed to heal after that, as did Mumford, because he didn't realize exactly what was going on until everyone fell apart. Long story. I suspect I'll tell the whole thing another time. But this part is about Ern Baxter, a wonderful teacher and preacher of the Lord before he died. At least, I'm assuming he died. He was in his 70's in the early 1980's. lol) Ern had a syllabus -- a 3-5 page list of books he thought every believer should have -- that anyone interested could pick up from a table when he preached one night. Hubby did pick it up.

Then he took it to the main building of the Philadelphia Public Library (our library system is one of the biggest in the country, so it has almost every book you could possibly want), and spent five hours in the reference section (not to be confused with you can take home any book you want -- reference material stays in the library) and then came home with a list of must-buy books. Among them was our first (but not last, since he wore them out) Strong's Concordance, our first Thayer's, our only John Owens, some Gordon Clarke, Calvin's Institutes, and all of Francis Schaeffer's books. (I added to the Schaeffer collection by buying some Edith Schaeffer's books. Great book for any women when she first makes her own nest... err home -- married or single. I was also clueless on anything remotely connected to being a good wife or homemaker. I can clean. I just didn't know anything about being thrifty, or fixing up a home, or artistic concepts for making a house into a home.)

And within 2-4 years we became Reformed. (What Calvinist call ourselves, because we really don't follow Calvin. We follow God.) When we went to the classes to join the church we consider ourselves part of now, (we feel like that church is our home, but our home was a Church-planting of that church, then that folded after I got disabled, and then he got sick, and before we knew it we couldn't go to any church anymore, but we keep up, and he still listens to the audios of the sermons, so it's home), they told the class that they thought tongues ceased, but that's not a doctrine. That's simply church beliefs. But they also wanted everyone to know there is no tongue-talking during service, so if any of us were uncomfortable with that, they probably weren't the best church to join.

I don't speak tongues, so didn't care personally, but had to check with hubby. He was fine with not speaking in tongues at church anyway, since it's rare to get an interpreter.

But that pretty much explains my background in Pentecostalism, my understanding that most Pentecostals don't have tongues as a need-to, and how we switched churches anyway, so it's simply not an issue.

I know tongues are real. I simply don't do it. I also don't pick up poisonous snakes to prove a point. (My brother has, and got bit, but that wasn't his point. He just likes snakes and found a couple of copperheads so took them home and made them pets. He's been bit once by every snake he ever had. lol) I see no purpose in swallowing poison on purpose. (You'd think those who believe tongues is the proof of the anointing would do both of those routinely too. lol)

I also am not a teacher, a healer, nor an evangelist. I find it odd that those things don't disqualify me in some people's minds, since not speaking another language does to them. I think those are bigger problems. I consider myself a digit. Not sure if I'm a finger or a toe, but I am in the body of Christ and do my gifts when I can.

This is one. This is me exhorting, in real-life terms, that tongue-talking is real, but it's not the criteria for salvation. Jesus is that.

Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise, oh ye, new believers. (Was that a good Bible-thumping preacher line? lol) And don't let people tell you someone isn't saved simply because of the church they go to. Rarely does anyone go into this much detail to explain how one can be saved yet in a church deemed "heretical." You just never know.

Im familiar with Derek Prince,not so clear on what he preaches. TBN really annoys me for that reason,too many people preaching too many messages and most of them against each other.Its no wonder people outside the church look at us and think we're crazy.I can tell you some stories...Some off these off beat Pentecostal churches,you just dont know what you're going to get.We had a pastor take over our church that was into one of those off beat sects and women were at the alter acting like they were giving birth. It was called "spiritual birthing" it was hilarious. Then we had people who supposedly got gold fillings in their teeth,some sort of miracle they claimed. I said they should have prayed for God to give them a brain while they were at it. I could other hair raising stories but Ive totally seen it all. So I do understand why people are wary of anyone "pentecostal". So many wrong things being taught.But when someone says you have to speak in tongues to be saved then you are talking to a Jesus Only believer. A man made doctrine,and totally wrong. And Im sorry you suffered from wrong teaching for so long and glad that you found the truth.

Now to the second part of your post I think you and I could be kindred spirits.lol I traveled in ministry for 20yrs and spent very little time at home. Before I got married and things were getting more serious I started to panic. I knew nothing about cooking,organizing a house or cleaning.I was flying blind. My parents have a small house so I thought maybe I could at least manage that.But nooo my husband buys a two story house,4 bedrooms 2 baths!! Talk about baptism by fire.He joked that he heard a country song where the guy said he ate burned meals the whole first year.Well that upset me,he didnt mean to.When we first married I just stood in the kitchen and watched him cook mostly.He'd been a bachelor so long he could cook for himself.So I shook myself and said "you're a wife now" and after more panic I took that kitchen over and showed it who's boss.My husband is still amazed.lol We've been married 9 months and he said I need to stop cooking and baking because he's getting too fat. Honk,honk thats me honkin my own horn.Isnt that obnoxious? hahaha