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lol true, But the laughter has gone out for most of us, He is leading people straight to hell. if he wants to go to hell, thats fine, let him, He has been shown the truth, but to stand by and watch him lead others there. thats more than I can handle. and since we can;t bann him from here, ignore is all we have.
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Matthew 10:14
And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
in Christian chat terms, it is the ignore" button.
And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
in Christian chat terms, it is the ignore" button.
No. Titus 2:11-12 says that God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts.
No. The Law of Moses is no longer in effect as a whole contract or Covenant for nobody today. Yes, the moral laws have been carried over from the OT to the NT, but nowhere does God require unbelievers to make animal sacrifices to him in a temple. Nor does God require believers to do so, either. The Law of Moses is no longer in effect for anyone anymore. Only the Commands of Jesus and the apostles are binding for the believer today. Paul said if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and he knows nothing. Paul said that what he had written should be considered as the Lord's Commandments. Commandments are Laws. Hello?
Then why did Jesus tell believers to forgive or they will not be forgiven in Matthew 6:15? Or do you think Jesus was speaking to unbelievers? How woud that message even help them? They first need to repent and accept Christ. So Matthew 6:15 would just go in one ear and out the other if they are not thinking of being a believer. In other words, the message only applies to believers and that means one can be unforgiven if they do not forgive. It's a Conditional Promise.
False accusations is not going to help you when you have to stand before Christ and give an answer as to why you did not keep His words (If you choose not to keep them). For John 12:48 says that if a man rejects his words, then those very words will judge them on the last day. For all professing believers today who believe in Jesus will not remain in Christ's Kingdom if they continue to do do sin or iniiquity. Matthew 12:41 says that the Son of Man will send forth his angels and remove all who offend and do iniquity in His Kingdom. This would be any believer who thinks they can sin and still be saved. They will be removed from Christ's Kingdom. Remember the weeds? We were not supposed to yank them out until both the wheat and the weeds had both grown together until the final harvest (Which is the Judgment).
No, 1 John 5:16-18 says there are sins that do not lead unto death. There are hidden and secret faults (Psalm 19:12).
James is talking about those Commands that relate to one's spiritual status with the Lord. He is talking about respect of persons (Which is showing forth a lack of love towards another). For John says that if we are to hate our brother, then we are a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him (1 John 3:15). Thus, James is talking about those sins or commands that relate to keeping one's good standing with the Lord.
No. The Pharisee's problem is that they ignored the weightier matters of the Law like justice, faith, and mercy (Matthew 23:23).
The problem is that your version of grace makes you out to be the villian of the story and not the good guy. You can do evil and sin and yet still make it into Heaven even though you say you also promote holiness somehow (Which I really do not see). For you teach that the believer is a currently a sinner saved by God's grace. But that is not what the Bible teaches. One cannot continue in sin so that grace may abound. Paul refutes that type of thinking in Romans 6.
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No. The Law of Moses is no longer in effect as a whole contract or Covenant for nobody today. Yes, the moral laws have been carried over from the OT to the NT, but nowhere does God require unbelievers to make animal sacrifices to him in a temple. Nor does God require believers to do so, either. The Law of Moses is no longer in effect for anyone anymore. Only the Commands of Jesus and the apostles are binding for the believer today. Paul said if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and he knows nothing. Paul said that what he had written should be considered as the Lord's Commandments. Commandments are Laws. Hello?
Then why did Jesus tell believers to forgive or they will not be forgiven in Matthew 6:15? Or do you think Jesus was speaking to unbelievers? How woud that message even help them? They first need to repent and accept Christ. So Matthew 6:15 would just go in one ear and out the other if they are not thinking of being a believer. In other words, the message only applies to believers and that means one can be unforgiven if they do not forgive. It's a Conditional Promise.
False accusations is not going to help you when you have to stand before Christ and give an answer as to why you did not keep His words (If you choose not to keep them). For John 12:48 says that if a man rejects his words, then those very words will judge them on the last day. For all professing believers today who believe in Jesus will not remain in Christ's Kingdom if they continue to do do sin or iniiquity. Matthew 12:41 says that the Son of Man will send forth his angels and remove all who offend and do iniquity in His Kingdom. This would be any believer who thinks they can sin and still be saved. They will be removed from Christ's Kingdom. Remember the weeds? We were not supposed to yank them out until both the wheat and the weeds had both grown together until the final harvest (Which is the Judgment).
No, 1 John 5:16-18 says there are sins that do not lead unto death. There are hidden and secret faults (Psalm 19:12).
James is talking about those Commands that relate to one's spiritual status with the Lord. He is talking about respect of persons (Which is showing forth a lack of love towards another). For John says that if we are to hate our brother, then we are a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him (1 John 3:15). Thus, James is talking about those sins or commands that relate to keeping one's good standing with the Lord.
No. The Pharisee's problem is that they ignored the weightier matters of the Law like justice, faith, and mercy (Matthew 23:23).
The problem is that your version of grace makes you out to be the villian of the story and not the good guy. You can do evil and sin and yet still make it into Heaven even though you say you also promote holiness somehow (Which I really do not see). For you teach that the believer is a currently a sinner saved by God's grace. But that is not what the Bible teaches. One cannot continue in sin so that grace may abound. Paul refutes that type of thinking in Romans 6.
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It is true, but it is also good to continue on because of other viewers and posters. Deuteronomy 19:15-21 helps because we are to try to tell him his fault, we are grouped together to tell him what is right in the Bible. He continues to neglect, then he is made to be a Gentile and a tax collector, and not a believer. The good of it is we are a group focused on Jesus Christ and we talk about him, and wherever this is done in a group of two or three verse 20 says it best, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them".
Well, John (as well as Jesus) says to .... "sin not." In fact, in 1 John 1:7, it says that if we walk in the light as he is in the light, then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Walking in the light is in context to keeping his commandments. For the very next chapter says in 1 John 2:3 that we can know if we are in Him, by the fact that we keep His Commandments.
For he that says he knows him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:4).
This is in context to 1 John 2:4 that says if we say we know him and do not keep his commandments then we are a liar and the truth is not in us. So 1 John 1:8 is not teaching that you will forever be in sin. It is written to the brethren as a warning to them about those false deceivers who thought that sin did not exist on any level for them whatsoever. Hence, why John tells the brethren that they should acknowledge sin if it does arise by confessing their sin (1 John 1:9). For Proverbs 28:13 says that he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.
Exactly. I agree with what you said here. However, we have to understand here that "Corruption" is death (i.e. spiritual death). For the wages of sin is death (i.e. spiritual death) because everyone dies anyways whether they live righteously or not.
For he that says he knows him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:4).
This is in context to 1 John 2:4 that says if we say we know him and do not keep his commandments then we are a liar and the truth is not in us. So 1 John 1:8 is not teaching that you will forever be in sin. It is written to the brethren as a warning to them about those false deceivers who thought that sin did not exist on any level for them whatsoever. Hence, why John tells the brethren that they should acknowledge sin if it does arise by confessing their sin (1 John 1:9). For Proverbs 28:13 says that he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.
Exactly. I agree with what you said here. However, we have to understand here that "Corruption" is death (i.e. spiritual death). For the wages of sin is death (i.e. spiritual death) because everyone dies anyways whether they live righteously or not.
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this is true.
But this guy has been spreading his nonsense for months now. He seems to go into every thread and turn it into a holier than thou OSAS fight, He refuses to listen to anything anyone says, he tells us and everyone else we believe things we do not. He is a hypocrite, for doing the very things he yells at us for doing.
One thing about ignore, if any quotes him, you can see what he is saying, so if someone is responding to him, and seems to be questioning things, then we can easily jump in and give our view of what is real. In the meantime, if he is ignored, he has no audience. We should not give people a audience to continue to do the same things over and over, and we also can MAYBE have a topic of conversation where him and his buddies (there are a few of them) do not have the ability to send into oblivion.
example. does anyone even know what this thread was about now? (I will be honest, unless I go back I forgot myself)
But I can say one thing, I am prety sure it was not an OSAS thread!
But this guy has been spreading his nonsense for months now. He seems to go into every thread and turn it into a holier than thou OSAS fight, He refuses to listen to anything anyone says, he tells us and everyone else we believe things we do not. He is a hypocrite, for doing the very things he yells at us for doing.
One thing about ignore, if any quotes him, you can see what he is saying, so if someone is responding to him, and seems to be questioning things, then we can easily jump in and give our view of what is real. In the meantime, if he is ignored, he has no audience. We should not give people a audience to continue to do the same things over and over, and we also can MAYBE have a topic of conversation where him and his buddies (there are a few of them) do not have the ability to send into oblivion.
example. does anyone even know what this thread was about now? (I will be honest, unless I go back I forgot myself)
But I can say one thing, I am prety sure it was not an OSAS thread!
I admit I have had Jason on ignore for a long time. After months, I did not see him contribute anything substantial to the discussons, and to the contrary, his bad doctrine and poor exegesis, his unwillingness to take correction (does he even read anyone else's posts, except for the purpose of repeating his bad doctrine?) make him a waste of my time to read.
He has no knowledge of Greek or Hebrew, bases his theology on a few proof texts which he repeats ad nauseum.
If I thought he truly cared about people here, then I would give him some wiggle room. But he seems to only care about proving his unsound doctrine and unsnaring the unwary.
Sorry to Jason if this hurts. It is not my intention to wound you, but rather to give you some strong words about how the forum members see your posts. And you can believe whatever false doctrine you want, but I am tired of seeing you trying to persuade people you have the truth, when in fact, you believe a lie.
And if you want to know the specifics of which doctrines I believe you are deluded about, you would have to go back through my old posts and find the ones where I clearly demonstrated from the Greek the falsehood of your beliefs. Most of which you never commented on, because you had no answers for what the Greek especially really says.
Salvation by works, for sure. And that we can never be secure in our relationship with God. Two heretical and evil doctrines which are a stumbling block for those who want to grow closer to God!
He has no knowledge of Greek or Hebrew, bases his theology on a few proof texts which he repeats ad nauseum.
If I thought he truly cared about people here, then I would give him some wiggle room. But he seems to only care about proving his unsound doctrine and unsnaring the unwary.
Sorry to Jason if this hurts. It is not my intention to wound you, but rather to give you some strong words about how the forum members see your posts. And you can believe whatever false doctrine you want, but I am tired of seeing you trying to persuade people you have the truth, when in fact, you believe a lie.
And if you want to know the specifics of which doctrines I believe you are deluded about, you would have to go back through my old posts and find the ones where I clearly demonstrated from the Greek the falsehood of your beliefs. Most of which you never commented on, because you had no answers for what the Greek especially really says.
Salvation by works, for sure. And that we can never be secure in our relationship with God. Two heretical and evil doctrines which are a stumbling block for those who want to grow closer to God!
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That's pretty interesting Jason...you accuse me of being bored by salvation and when I respond to that insult which is deliberate on your part, because you have seen enough of my posts to know there is no truth to what you chose to say, you twist it around and say I am attacking you
poor baby...attacked again because someone called him on his insult and untruth
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well, there is always the suggestion of being able to ban an obnoxious person from constantly derailing and hijacking threads...they would just be ejected from the thread into read only mode...some think that is a good idea...when I posted that in the suggestion thread, it went ok for a bit and then THAT thread got derailed by a similar type of hijacker who assumes we are somehow trying to judge people
they can go start their own thread and write until the cows come home and if anyone really wants to continue the inane one sided dialogue they are free to trot on over
however, people might learn to participate instead of soapboxing until we are all issued barf bags and want to run through walls to get away from their behavior...it's really not fair that this is constantly done...maybe if we keep suggesting it or asking it of the mods, something might be done
it's simply a behavior modification tool that I saw work well on another site...a person has to learn to post in a manner that indicates they actually care about what another posts and don't just constantly hijack and steamroll
what I really find sad, it seems to be ok for them to say whatever they want...insult after insult...and if you call them on it, it becomes you are attacking them
it's emotionally immature and what is going on here is more than simply disagreeing...we have a pathological desire to control and manipulate IMO...and I don't think you have to be an MD to see that
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My understanding now of the very same Bible verses are very different than yours Jason. I come from an old Catholic family of Polish and Irish people. So "works" and "religion" are not strangers to the way I used to relate to God. So I understand where your coming from.
After trying for years to be good enough in my works and then realizing my heart was still bad, I finally came to the cross and found Jesus paid it all.
So while I understand your dependence on works, I know there is a new and living way that allows liberty and peace in Christ. He gives us also the gift of no condemnation. Now the work left to do is rest in Jesus and allow Him to work in and through us. "For I have been crucified with Christ., never the less I live, yet not I but Christ liveth in me., and the life I now live I live by the faith of the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me." A memory verse... it was such a relief to be freed from works and not to have to earn God's love that Gal. 2:20 and Eph. 2:8-9 became memory verses.
Gal. 2:20
And just adding vs 21. I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.
Well, although I do not approve of you attacking me (For two wrongs do not make a right), I do apologize for saying that your statement about being bored was not in relation to this topic (If it is indeed what you meant). But you have to re-read what you had written. Don't you think someone could come to the wrong conclusion by what you had written? Just sayin'.
Well, one, I am not hurt. Two, I do not believe you are loving and or caring because you back others who support a licentious gospel and you back others who attack others (who do not believe as you do) many times. This is not of God. Oh, and I do care for those who have a false doctrine and or who are my enemies. So you would be wrong, dear lady. In fact, guess what? I will be praying for you tonight. Does that sound like someone who does not care? Well, I will let God be my judge and not you. I know all of what I do before the Lord and I strive to always do what is good in His sight (And not so as to do those things before men). Do I mess up sometimes? You betcha. But I do not strive to stay down and I do hate anyone and or seek anyone to be out of God's Kingdom. I wish all people to know the love of God.
Also, I do not believe in Works Salvationism. This is just another false accusation about what I believe. I believe God does the "good work" in the believer. I also believe that one gets right with God thru confessing and forsaking sin and not by going out and doing a bunch of self directed works. God is the One who does the work. Not me. So you can drop the whole false accusation about me believing that I am saving myself by my own power or work. For Jesus deserves all the glory, honor, and power.
Also, I do not believe in Works Salvationism. This is just another false accusation about what I believe. I believe God does the "good work" in the believer. I also believe that one gets right with God thru confessing and forsaking sin and not by going out and doing a bunch of self directed works. God is the One who does the work. Not me. So you can drop the whole false accusation about me believing that I am saving myself by my own power or work. For Jesus deserves all the glory, honor, and power.
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Ephesians 2:8-9 is talking about Justification (Initial Salvation) and it is not talking about Sanctification (Continued Salvation). We are also saved by grace thru FAITH. But what is your faith supposed to look like? James says faith without works is dead. Hebrews 11 says faith is both a belief and an action. So is Paul and James in conflict with each other? No.
For James and Paul go together. Like two sides of the same coin, they don't conflict with each other; they compliment each other. Both teach us something vital. Paul looks at what goes on internally; James talks about the external results. Paul says, "We're saved by faith." James says, "This is what saving faith looks like."
In other words, works (all by their lonesome) is not what is saving you but it is the proof that Christ is living in you who does the actual saving. For he that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).
For James and Paul go together. Like two sides of the same coin, they don't conflict with each other; they compliment each other. Both teach us something vital. Paul looks at what goes on internally; James talks about the external results. Paul says, "We're saved by faith." James says, "This is what saving faith looks like."
In other words, works (all by their lonesome) is not what is saving you but it is the proof that Christ is living in you who does the actual saving. For he that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).