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like Ember said, I don't think you're reading all. I never said there is no mercy in the OT. The whole sacrificial system contained mercy as it provided a covering for Israel’s confessed sins.I am saying that the law in form of a command 'do this and you shall live' break it and you will die", had no mercy. The law in the Garden said, "In the day you eat of the tree you shall die"...no mercy there.
Reading this thread, it almost seems like some folks believe they invented salvation, know God personally and would like to beat the other half with what they know
You deserved that steak dinner and I hope you had cheesecake for desert
Half the problems, IMO, are caused by people either misreading, not reading to the end of post and deciding they had better fire off a volley toute de suite to save everyone, a desire to be in control or poor comprehensions skills caused by:
1. dna
2. bad ed-u-macation
3. an agenda that determines everyone else is wrong because if they ever admitted they might be wrong, their world would cave and finally,
4. bad eyesight which is fixable...see an optometrist
You deserved that steak dinner and I hope you had cheesecake for desert
Half the problems, IMO, are caused by people either misreading, not reading to the end of post and deciding they had better fire off a volley toute de suite to save everyone, a desire to be in control or poor comprehensions skills caused by:
1. dna
2. bad ed-u-macation
3. an agenda that determines everyone else is wrong because if they ever admitted they might be wrong, their world would cave and finally,
4. bad eyesight which is fixable...see an optometrist
WHOAH! don't drag me into this...I'm warnin yuh!!
What about the skins that God provided for Adam and Eve to cover their nakedness. That was merciful along with expelling them from the Garden of Eden so they would not have access to the tree of life and forever live in their sin. If God is merciful in every case, ( as I believe) so is it merciful to expose transgressions, and then provide a way of escape. The law would have never been given if there first wasn't transgression. Without seeing our shortcomings, we have no hope. All of God's words are very very merciful in every case.
As it was mentioned before "For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment." James 2:13
Not arguing ember, just coming to an agreement of the truth. Hopefully. Crossnote and I have a thing. LOL
As it was mentioned before "For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment." James 2:13
Not arguing ember, just coming to an agreement of the truth. Hopefully. Crossnote and I have a thing. LOL
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The skins were what God provided freely and undeservedly...that's grace.
The law was given in order that...
Galatians 3:19 (KJV) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
The law was given in order that...
Galatians 3:19 (KJV) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
So is grace and mercy 2 separate things in your opinion? Are they not both the attributes in the name of God? And Yes, it was God's mercy and grace that enlightened us to our carnal position by giving us the law.
"Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:" Genesis 19:19 Lot was addressing the angels sent by God to rescue his family. Mercy is magnified by the grace of God, same as God's mercy is magnified by the grace of Christ. They are ONE!
"Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:" Genesis 19:19 Lot was addressing the angels sent by God to rescue his family. Mercy is magnified by the grace of God, same as God's mercy is magnified by the grace of Christ. They are ONE!
I'm not sure what to make of all this thread, but it seems probable that ALL of you seem to missing an important truth demonstrated by reading this verse:
Revelation 11:19 Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.
Revelation 11:19 Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.
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I love how my Bible is shrinking with each passing day. One day soon, the way things are going, I will be able to read my entire Bible in just a matter of hours.
Let's see. Hmm, well, all the Books of the Old Testament dealing with the peoples of the earth before the Law was given can be kept, for they would have a Historical value worthy of reading, but no actual value/importance to the Church today as the New Covenant Grace was not in place. All of the Books of the OT which record Gods interactions with the Nation of Israel AFTER the Law was given can be ripped out and discarded, for they do not have any bearing on the New Covenant Church. I suppose we could "edit" some of them that include prophecies of the coming Savior, for these prophecies would have Historical value as well.
We can rip out and discard the Four Gospels, because (as some here teach) they are recordings of Jesus speaking to the Nation of Israel, and the New Covenant was not yet established for He had not yet been resurrected. Thus those teachings are not for the New Covenant Church. Although, I have to wonder why so many of the Church today adhere to many of the teachings found in the Four Gospels? Such as baptism, Communion and such, I mean, after all.......... Also have to wonder why the Apostles continued to teach from the Gospel of Christ recorded in the Four Gospels.........if His Gospel was not for the New Covenant Church? Anyway, we can rip them out and discard them.
I'm thinking we are down to the Book of Acts, but it is simply a Historical Record of the establishment of the New Covenant Church, however ------ we should probably keep it in. The Epistles of Paul appear to be in question though. Some believe him to be a "false Apostle." Others believe his writings were not for ALL the Church, and some of his writings probably were not for ALL the Church today. I suppose we could appoint a Council of Elders to "EDIT" his Epistles to reveal ONLY the teachings that are relevant to the New Covenant Church today. Would probably have to do the same with the Epistles of John, Peter and James just to be safe.
I'm thinking we can keep Hebrews, as it appears to be "generic" in it's address, and probably the Epistle of Jude. Then, of course, there is Revelation. Guess we should keep it as well.
Once we are through, my goodness, how much smaller will my Bible be!
Let's see. Hmm, well, all the Books of the Old Testament dealing with the peoples of the earth before the Law was given can be kept, for they would have a Historical value worthy of reading, but no actual value/importance to the Church today as the New Covenant Grace was not in place. All of the Books of the OT which record Gods interactions with the Nation of Israel AFTER the Law was given can be ripped out and discarded, for they do not have any bearing on the New Covenant Church. I suppose we could "edit" some of them that include prophecies of the coming Savior, for these prophecies would have Historical value as well.
We can rip out and discard the Four Gospels, because (as some here teach) they are recordings of Jesus speaking to the Nation of Israel, and the New Covenant was not yet established for He had not yet been resurrected. Thus those teachings are not for the New Covenant Church. Although, I have to wonder why so many of the Church today adhere to many of the teachings found in the Four Gospels? Such as baptism, Communion and such, I mean, after all..........
Also have to wonder why the Apostles continued to teach from the Gospel of Christ recorded in the Four Gospels.........if His Gospel was not for the New Covenant Church? Anyway, we can rip them out and discard them.I'm thinking we are down to the Book of Acts, but it is simply a Historical Record of the establishment of the New Covenant Church, however ------ we should probably keep it in. The Epistles of Paul appear to be in question though. Some believe him to be a "false Apostle." Others believe his writings were not for ALL the Church, and some of his writings probably were not for ALL the Church today. I suppose we could appoint a Council of Elders to "EDIT" his Epistles to reveal ONLY the teachings that are relevant to the New Covenant Church today. Would probably have to do the same with the Epistles of John, Peter and James just to be safe.
I'm thinking we can keep Hebrews, as it appears to be "generic" in it's address, and probably the Epistle of Jude. Then, of course, there is Revelation. Guess we should keep it as well.
Once we are through, my goodness, how much smaller will my Bible be!
Every word in the Bible has a meaning and was put there for our learning. God has kept it all these years and no one has been able to change it. A friend of mine gave an example of how amazing this Book is. People can take just about anything said or written and mess it up given enough time they can change even the way history was recorded and hide the truth.
30 people in a circle given a short story; By the time each one retells the story to the next person in the circle, when it gets back to the first person who told it., the story has just a tiny resemblance (or any) to the original. Not so with God's Word.
Men have tried to change it for years and God won't allow it. What is happening here is we learn to rightly divide it and see even more meaning of the Word by the HolySpirit. Being open to Him as He reveals hidden truths for us to see and be strengthened and edified.
His Word is unlike any other book. A verse can take on new and deeper meaning as we study it. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. we go from faith to faith as we read His Word. Amazing journey.
Many of us tend to quote a verse, and then say, "So there! You now have the truth."........ with no explanation of the "truth" they think they see.
Personally, I read "flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail" as a warning "not to mess with this...... Stay away."
Personally, I read "flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail" as a warning "not to mess with this...... Stay away."
Well then, Willie-T, I guess you should stay away from heaven, then.
That is the most absurd description I have ever heard, and for what it's worth, the 2nd sentence which for some reason you gave your emphasis upon, is not related to the ark of the covenant being in the temple, i.e. an earthquake.
I should have just quoted the 1st sentence of that verse, not realizing how obtuse you or others might get.
As I recall, you made a statement back on the 1st page that went something like, "don't open the ark if you happen to run across it" in a joking manner, I suppose.
And there have been several "discovery channel missions", and expert studies and theologians discussing "what happened to the ark of the covenant, and where is it now?"
I always laugh at these so-called experts. Just read your bible, fully, and you'll find your answers.
So... the ark that some seem to think was Old Testament and meant various things, etc., etc., well I got news for ya. God still has it and it is right there in His Temple with Him.
That is the most absurd description I have ever heard, and for what it's worth, the 2nd sentence which for some reason you gave your emphasis upon, is not related to the ark of the covenant being in the temple, i.e. an earthquake.
I should have just quoted the 1st sentence of that verse, not realizing how obtuse you or others might get.
As I recall, you made a statement back on the 1st page that went something like, "don't open the ark if you happen to run across it" in a joking manner, I suppose.
And there have been several "discovery channel missions", and expert studies and theologians discussing "what happened to the ark of the covenant, and where is it now?"
I always laugh at these so-called experts. Just read your bible, fully, and you'll find your answers.
So... the ark that some seem to think was Old Testament and meant various things, etc., etc., well I got news for ya. God still has it and it is right there in His Temple with Him.
