Free Gifts Come With Conditions....

[Flamingspirit]

Did God supply Israel's need? Yes. Did those who ate the manna still die? Yes. Could God have sustained Israel without manna? Yes.

Naaman had the expectation of most men. They know of God but do not yet know God for Who He is. Naaman wanted healed and figured God could heal him on the spot. Which God could have done of course but for the testimony of His word Naaman went to wash himself. Naaman received mercy. Naaman glorified God. Naaman still grew old and died.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The problem with the story of the manna is that most do not understand it. Jesus gave you its true meaning when He said that He was the TRUE bread (manna) from Heaven. Therefore following Jesus with that same allegory, manna was not just bread wafers that fell from the sky, but in its spiritual application, the people were fed with the words of the various prophets moved by the Holy Spirit. Having ate those various teachings and laws given by them, they still died. Eating the words of Jesus however, we will not die.

 

[2Thewaters]

sure

Psa_51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

the spirit sets us free

there is this thing called the covenant

God says keep my commandments
and we say we will kneel and follow you forever and love you and god gives you his spirit conditionally

covenant means both sides do their part

we obey by his free spirit
and gives us the universe

condition
as always

is keep the commandments

 

[2Thewaters]

ta ta ta!
trumpets

here is the condition!
hear ye hear ye hear ye

condition for salvation!

 

[2Thewaters]

2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.



Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints:
here are they that keep the commandments of God,

and the faith of Jesus.


the faith (obedience to do the bible) of Jesus



Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments,

do do do do, do do do do, do do do do,

that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.


thats it

hear and do and claim Jesus blood to forgive past sins
and stop sinning from nw on
ond do the commandments

and your in

 

[Flamingspirit]

ta ta ta!
trumpets

here is the condition!
hear ye hear ye hear ye

condition for salvation!

There is no condition on something that is free from God. No man chose to be born, neither can he refuse the gift of the sun or the rain. So is it with salvation.

 

[2Thewaters]

we CANT DO THE COMMANDMENTS YOU CRY!

that is right
says Jesus

so Nicodemous you need to be born again

then you can

with christ ALL THINGS EVEN KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS IS POSSIBLE

so to put it together

1 get born again
2 give heart to God
3 follow him
4 claim his blood for all past sins
5 sanctify (walk rightly from now on)
6 follow Jesus wherever he goes
7
you are in if you remain faithful (doer)

for no WORKER OF INIQUITY (CONCTINUING LAW BREAKER will EVER enter heaven

you have to repent
(stop doing it)
and be forgiven by Jesus blood
and have the Love of god enough to do all he asks

and youa re in

 

[2Thewaters]

10 to stop sinning
20 you have to be born again
30 so
40 ask for it
50 if you are born again you wont sin
60 if you sin your not born again goto 20
70 enter heaven eat fruit

 

[apostolic862004]

There is no condition on something that is free from God. No man chose to be born, neither can he refuse the gift of the sun or the rain. So is it with salvation.

So if you cannot refuse salvation, then nobody is going to hell right? You have no choice, you must go to heaven because you can't refuse the gift of salvation. Honestly, where do you guys come up with this stuff? Cause it sure isnt in the bible.

 

[Flamingspirit]

we CANT DO THE COMMANDMENTS YOU CRY!

that is right
says Jesus

so Nicodemous you need to be born again

then you can

with christ ALL THINGS EVEN KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS IS POSSIBLE

so to put it together

1 get born again
2 give heart to God
3 follow him
4 claim his blood for all past sins
5 sanctify (walk rightly from now on)
6 follow Jesus wherever he goes
7
you are in if you remain faithful (doer)

for no WORKER OF INIQUITY (CONCTINUING LAW BREAKER will EVER enter heaven

you have to repent
(stop doing it)
and be forgiven by Jesus blood
and have the Love of god enough to do all he asks

and youa re in

Again love is the fulfillment of the commandments. Walk in the Spirit. We die today because we continue to build on the things we know is destroyed, becoming transgressors.

Now love fulfills the law. ALL OF IT! So when I see threads such as homosexuality threads and people condemning them for it, is that not to them breaking the law?

Are they not building upon what was destroyed with Christ? Why? Because two gay people can love themselves and their neighbors, AND THUS FULLFILLING ALL OF THE LAW.

 

[Flamingspirit]

So if you cannot refuse salvation, then nobody is going to hell right? You have no choice, you must go to heaven because you can't refuse the gift of salvation. Honestly, where do you guys come up with this stuff? Cause it sure isnt in the bible.

Hell is the grave, and if I could refuse salvation, why make me to begin with, knowing I would refuse. You guys astonish me with what comes out of your mouths just as much.

You call yourself a sinner, You say all have sinned, and yet you think your sin deserves heaven and another can bite the dust?

This type of thinking is why we go to hell (the grave) to begin with.

Life is so simple, but because men like to have power over men, we make it so complicated.

 

[crossnote]

we CANT DO THE COMMANDMENTS YOU CRY!

that is right
says Jesus

so Nicodemous you need to be born again

then you can

with christ ALL THINGS EVEN KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS IS POSSIBLE

so to put it together

1 get born again
2 give heart to God
3 follow him
4 claim his blood for all past sins
5 sanctify (walk rightly from now on)
6 follow Jesus wherever he goes
7
you are in if you remain faithful (doer)

for no WORKER OF INIQUITY (CONCTINUING LAW BREAKER will EVER enter heaven

you have to repent
(stop doing it)
and be forgiven by Jesus blood
and have the Love of god enough to do all he asks

and youa re in

Ugh, take me back to Egypt...the yoke was lighter.

 

[apostolic862004]

Hell is the grave, and if I could refuse salvation, why make me to begin with, knowing I would refuse. You guys astonish me with what comes out of your mouths just as much.

You call yourself a sinner, You say all have sinned, and yet you think your sin deserves heaven and another can bite the dust?

This type of thinking is why we go to hell (the grave) to begin with.

Life is so simple, but because men like to have power over men, we make it so complicated.

You are right and you are wrong. The world hell in the old testament (hebrew) is Sheol which means the place of the dead or the grave. In the new testament there are two translations (greek) Ghianna is the lake of fire. So don't say hell is just the grave. Read the word in its scripture context to find out if its referring to the grave or the lake of fire.

So do you believe that there is anybody that will be punished with everlasting punishment?

 

[Flamingspirit]

You are right and you are wrong. The world hell in the old testament (hebrew) is Sheol which means the place of the dead or the grave. In the new testament there are two translations (greek) Ghianna is the lake of fire. So don't say hell is just the grave. Read the word in its scripture context to find out if its referring to the grave or the lake of fire.

So do you believe that there is anybody that will be punished with everlasting punishment?

The only difference is that before Jesus, men only went to the grave. Now how we even think is going to the grave as well.

In the story in Genesis of the Nephilim and the flood, the only people on the ark was Noah and his family and yet even after that, we had to deal with them. This is not some other race of beings, but the only thing that CAN survive even after death. Ideas and thoughts. How many people are still carrying on the legacies of others that have long since died?

These evil ideas and imaginations of men such as the most prevalent one in the idea of money and barter is part of what the bible calls the second death. This and these types of ideas, imaginations and thought processes is being destroyed but because we adhere to them still, we die as well.

There is no more need to die in the midst of a risen Savior. But when we as a whole let millions starve to death because they simply don't have the money to buy food, then we too will experience this death.

And no, I do not believe in everlasting punishment. Again what burns forever is not people, but these types of ideas of men used for control like money. There will be a day in which this type of thinking will be dead and will never be revisited again.

 

[BradC]

The only condition that comes with a free gift is that we receive it as freely as it was given. Christ paid the price and obtained eternal redemption for us that we might receive that free gift of eternal life by faith with no restrictions or limitations and without any meritorious works on our part. This is why being saved by grace through faith is a single act of believing with no attachments to follow up. When Jesus said, 'It is finished' He was declaring to the Father that sinful man could be accepted based on the work provided by Christ on the cross with no strings attached. Salvation was going to be a pure act of mercy and grace for the sinner who would simple believe and put his trust in the finished work of the cross.

There would be no law to follow or keep. There would be no acts or deeds of righteousness to perform. There would be no trusting in the goodness of man. There would be no penance needed, but only an exercise of faith in the shed blood and completed work of Calvary. That faith exercise in the work of God through Christ would be enough to save and cleanse the sinner from all sin. It would be enough to perfectly justify that sinner forever. It would make way for God's imputed righteousness to enter in along with the Holy Spirit. It would be sufficient in providing eternal life to keep the sinner from perishing. It would allow God to remove wrath and condemnation from the sinner. It would allow the sinner to be sealed until the day of redemption when that sinner would receive the redemption of his body as God's precious possession.

The only condition that God demands is that we freely exercise faith and believe with all our heart in the work of the cross through Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

 

[posthuman]

SeaBass, in my garden the blueberries are ripe.

i set a mouthful aside for you. they are yours, a gift.

if you don't come to me and eat them soon, they will rot and be eaten by bugs.

they will rot because they are yours, and no one else will eat them.

whatever you choose to do, the blueberries are yours. they are not yours conditionally, only if you come to get them,
and they do not cease to be yours if you do not come and eat them.
they are yours to do whatever you wish with to do with them.
gather them, ignore them, give them to someone else -- it doesn't matter. they are yours.

if you don't accept them, they will be given to insects. but the insects will be eating your blueberries, all the same.

 

[apostolic862004]

The only difference is that before Jesus, men only went to the grave. Now how we even think is going to the grave as well.

In the story in Genesis of the Nephilim and the flood, the only people on the ark was Noah and his family and yet even after that, we had to deal with them. This is not some other race of beings, but the only thing that CAN survive even after death. Ideas and thoughts. How many people are still carrying on the legacies of others that have long since died?

These evil ideas and imaginations of men such as the most prevalent one in the idea of money and barter is part of what the bible calls the second death. This and these types of ideas, imaginations and thought processes is being destroyed but because we adhere to them still, we die as well.

There is no more need to die in the midst of a risen Savior. But when we as a whole let millions starve to death because they simply don't have the money to buy food, then we too will experience this death.

And no, I do not believe in everlasting punishment. Again what burns forever is not people, but these types of ideas of men used for control like money. There will be a day in which this type of thinking will be dead and will never be revisited again.

You are spouting nothing but philosophy and your own ideology. You have not posted any scripture to support your claims and the reason is that scripture doesn't support them. Not only does it not support them, it directly contradicts them.

but the only thing that CAN survive even after death. Ideas and thoughts.

Ecclesiastes 12:7-8 contradicts this. So does Luke 16:22-31

These evil ideas and imaginations of men such as the most prevalent one in the idea of money and barter is part of what the bible calls the second death.

Wrong again:

Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And no, I do not believe in everlasting punishment.

Then you are calling Jesus a liar:

Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Again what burns forever is not people, but these types of ideas of men used for control like money.

False doctrine:

Revelation 14:10 - The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 19:20 - And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[dcontroversal]

SeaBass, in my garden the blueberries are ripe.

i set a mouthful aside for you. they are yours, a gift.

if you don't come to me and eat them soon, they will rot and be eaten by bugs.

they will rot because they are yours, and no one else will eat them.

whatever you choose to do, the blueberries are yours. they are not yours conditionally, only if you come to get them,
and they do not cease to be yours if you do not come and eat them.
they are yours to do whatever you wish with to do with them.
gather them, ignore them, give them to someone else -- it doesn't matter. they are yours.

if you don't accept them, they will be given to insects. but the insects will be eating your blueberries, all the same.

Hey...don't waste them on somebody who would loose them anyway as he would have to do a week of work to gain them...I will take them free.....you want my address to overnight them?

 

[andrewmhmusic]

Dear Seabass, seek and ye shall find

...and working to meet the attached conditions cannot earn the free gift already being given. This is a very simple concept some have trouble understanding while others simply do not care to understand it.

Biblical examples:


Exodus 16:

God owed the Israelites nothing but because of His grace God sent them the free gift of manna. Yet the free gift came with the condition of the Israelites doing the work of gathering the manna. Had the Israelites not done the work of gathering the manna (faith only) then they would have remained hungry. Therefore they must have done the work of gathering the manna in order to receive this free gift from God yet the work of gathering earned them nothing.

 

[StoneThrower]

Ugh, take me back to Egypt...the yoke was lighter.

LOL, I got a chuckle out of that!

 

[posthuman]

Hey...don't waste them on somebody who would loose them anyway as he would have to do a week of work to gain them...I will take them free.....you want my address to overnight them?

sure, PM me. and since i'm the one giving you the blueberries, you know what?

i'll pay the postage too.