Fundamentalist Thread

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

How is it that I've never seen this thread before? It certainly has degenerated from it's original intent.
Lets just say that we follow the bible as the inspired and inerrant word of God
Seek the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of the Word of God. Don't allow the writings of man and theology schools and bible colleges sway you from what the Holy Spirit is clearly saying regarding the interpretation of the bible.

 

[Red33]

Reason for post: It seems that we have some anti-fundamentalists using this site so I just wanted to make it clear that the admin and moderator team (and I hope the majority of users, I hope) are indeed Bible-believing fundamentalists (and we don't want our site to be represented by fundamentalist-bashers who don't believe the Bible).

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I'm a fundamentalist because I believe the Bible.

I have all these extreme fundamentalist beliefs:

1. a six-day creation, not evolution (I actually believe the majority of scientists today are deceived)

2. a literal world-wide flood, where God spared 8 people and animals in an ark

3. the red sea parted while a million people crossed

4. a man was swallowed by a great fish (and vomited back on land after three days)

5. Jesus was born from a virgin woman (and hence, he is the Son of God)

6. Jesus is God (and yet was a man)

7. Jesus came back to life, days after being crucified (physically, and appeared to many people, and even ate with them)

8. Jesus is the only way to God (all other religions are false, and from the devil)

9. the sanctity of life (abortion is murder -- and I'm utterly horrified by the recent US Supreme Court ruling that gives guidelines on how to rip apart a baby as it is being born)

10. women should be in submission, both in the home and in the church (men should lovingly lead)

11. Jesus will return (straight from the sky), and this world will be destroyed by fire

12. Eternal life and hell -- We who believe in Jesus will live with him forever (those who reject him -- i.e., most people -- will go to hell)

Well I just started typing out all the main radical fundamentalist extremist points that I could think of from Genesis to Revelation, and it comes out to 12! So there's my checklist.

We really don't ever want to forget what the blood of Christ has done for sinful man. Let me add another fundamental truth to your great list.

13. Unlimited Atonement and Justification through the blood of Christ - There is no justification, cleansing, forgiveness, redemption, purging of the conscience or remission of sins without the blood of the Lamb being shed once and for ALL. Sinners can only have what the blood of Christ offers through faith.

 

[enochson]

Reason for post: It seems that we have some anti-fundamentalists using this site so I just wanted to make it clear that the admin and moderator team (and I hope the majority of users, I hope) are indeed Bible-believing fundamentalists (and we don't want our site to be represented by fundamentalist-bashers who don't believe the Bible).

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I'm a fundamentalist because I believe the Bible.

I have all these extreme fundamentalist beliefs:

1. a six-day creation, not evolution (I actually believe the majority of scientists today are deceived)

2. a literal world-wide flood, where God spared 8 people and animals in an ark

3. the red sea parted while a million people crossed

4. a man was swallowed by a great fish (and vomited back on land after three days)

5. Jesus was born from a virgin woman (and hence, he is the Son of God)

6. Jesus is God (and yet was a man)

7. Jesus came back to life, days after being crucified (physically, and appeared to many people, and even ate with them)

8. Jesus is the only way to God (all other religions are false, and from the devil)

9. the sanctity of life (abortion is murder -- and I'm utterly horrified by the recent US Supreme Court ruling that gives guidelines on how to rip apart a baby as it is being born)

10. women should be in submission, both in the home and in the church (men should lovingly lead)

11. Jesus will return (straight from the sky), and this world will be destroyed by fire

12. Eternal life and hell -- We who believe in Jesus will live with him forever (those who reject him -- i.e., most people -- will go to hell)

Well I just started typing out all the main radical fundamentalist extremist points that I could think of from Genesis to Revelation, and it comes out to 12! So there's my checklist.

Let look at the list.
1.who cares god did what he did and it is wonderful.
2.Ok
3. Ok
4.Was vomit on the land of people who whorship fish and the man had to run away to run into the will of god so the running away was the will of god.
5.Jesus was the son of god no matter what
6.Jesus was god made natural and it seems to me he was both man and women or he would have been a respector of persons.
7.jesus never die he just left the temple or tent of his body
8.Ok.
9.I think god has a bigger view of it.
10.The law they should be as christ was to the father.
11.All ready came back and made his abode in the hearts of men and women if he comes back agian thats cool but I happy with the lord right now this second. I think Jesus said don't think about tomorrow.
12 wrong not in the book I think you need to study the words the translater got hell from.

 

[psychomom]

enochson, you've piqued my curiostiy...how was Jesus simultaneously man and woman?
~ellie

 

[tribesman]

How is it that I've never seen this thread before? It certainly has degenerated from it's original intent.
Lets just say that we follow the bible as the inspired and inerrant word of God
Seek the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of the Word of God. Don't allow the writings of man and theology schools and bible colleges sway you from what the Holy Spirit is clearly saying regarding the interpretation of the bible.

There are a lot of people who say that their interpretation is from "the Holy Spirit". Or "let the Spirit reveal what the verse says!". Yet their so called interpretations contradicts each another.

Not only do we often find errors and heresies but outright falsifications or pure ignorance of historical facts among these hyper-spiritual enthusiasts.

Personally I believe that the Spirit would guide us to sources and teaches that has proven insights and recognized skills in all the contexts of the particular scripture in question. All proven scripture with scripture.

And we also need to do the hard work of studying well. Very few things pops out from the blue.

2Tim.2

[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Spartacus1122]

How is it that I've never seen this thread before? It certainly has degenerated from it's original intent.
Lets just say that we follow the bible as the inspired and inerrant word of God
Seek the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of the Word of God. Don't allow the writings of man and theology schools and bible colleges sway you from what the Holy Spirit is clearly saying regarding the interpretation of the bible.

Fundamentalism is a slippery slope.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Seek the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of the Word of God. Don't allow the writings of man and theology schools and bible colleges sway you from what the Holy Spirit is clearly saying regarding the interpretation of the bible.

Just for your (and anyone else's) information: I always seek the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of the Word of God. My initial understanding of Scripture comes from a reading of the text and prayer alone. I may turn to other sources after I have read the text and prayed, but I will never let a human writing contradict what God's Word says on its own.

When I was 5 or 6, I read Genesis for the first time. To me, it was obviously poetic speech. Keep in mind that at that age, no one had tried to teach me about evolution. I had no reason to think the world was any particular age. I was being raised in a fundamentalist church and a fundamentalist family, taught that Scripture was the Word of God (which I still believe). I started by praying to God, thanking Him for giving me the ability to read, and picked up the book and read. It was obvious to me that that God wrote Genesis 1 as a story: a beautiful story, but it was as obviously fiction as Jesus' parables were. That's just how it was.

In the four decades since then, I have read (and written) countless scholarly works on Biblical interpretation. Some of them affirmed that first reading on my own, and some contradicted it. If I read something written by man that challenges my own understanding, I go back to the text. I pray, and I read. And if God opens my mind, sometimes I do see multiple interpretations. (Sometime a single verse can have 3, 4, or 5 TRUE interpretations, all of which are exactly what God intends to say.) And sometimes I get a clear answer of, "No, this is not what God is saying. This contradicts what you know about God." And sometimes I don't get a clear answer one way or another, so I study and pray some more. That's how it works.

If you tell me that your understanding of Genesis is absolutely spirit-led, I will submit and say we just have different understandings. God is not the author of confusion, so I don't know why God would say one thing to one person and something else to another, but I do know that God is infinitely good and does not lie, so I hold on to that and move on.

However, I have to wonder how many people who hold this "literal, non-poetic" interpretation of Genesis really read it that way with an open mind, and how many people were indoctrinated to say it was literal before they ever read it. I do not mean to offend, but from where I'm sitting, it so looks like a bunch of people are looking at the sky and calling it green. I sit here saying, "Uh, no, it's blue," and they just insist that it's green. The only way I can make sense of it is to figure somewhere along the line someone taught them wrong. I have no other way to wrap my mind around it.

I don't know if this makes sense to any of you. But it is so frustrating for me, seeing people call the sky green and the grass pink.

 

[OFM]

We really don't ever want to forget what the blood of Christ has done for sinful man. Let me add another fundamental truth to your great list.

13. Unlimited Atonement and Justification through the blood of Christ - There is no justification, cleansing, forgiveness, redemption, purging of the conscience or remission of sins without the blood of the Lamb being shed once and for ALL. Sinners can only have what the blood of Christ offers through faith.

BIBLE FUNDERMENTIST LOVE-ING HATE OTHERS WHO DO NOT ACCEPT THEM OR THIER BELIEFS AS WELL.

 

[OFM]

enochson, you've piqued my curiostiy...how was Jesus simultaneously man and woman?
~ellie

NEVER AT ALL NEVER,MORE STUPID THEOLOGY.

 

[tribesman]

There's so much more to the text than just reading it prayerfully and ask for the light of the Spirit to reveal its meaning/s. Many people would say that doing so is "enough" to understand the text. I do not fully agree with that. Not the least that one has also to mind the contemporary milieu and mindset in which the text was written. Which people who were addressed and how they would have understood that message there and then. The history behind it. Such knowledge is essential for those who want to get deeper into scripture. There is much talking of big words out there with many examples of people who say that "Paul meant this", (usually charismatic, enthusiast or spiritualist) and who claim they have "listened to the Spirit" and gotten their "interpretation". Yet historical records clearly shows that Paul can never have meant what they say.

 

[OFM]

We really don't ever want to forget what the blood of Christ has done for sinful man. Let me add another fundamental truth to your great list.

13. Unlimited Atonement and Justification through the blood of Christ - There is no justification, cleansing, forgiveness, redemption, purging of the conscience or remission of sins without the blood of the Lamb being shed once and for ALL. Sinners can only have what the blood of Christ offers through faith.

I AGREE WITH ALL THIS BIBLE SCRIPTURE IS PERFECT PURE-LY PURE SPIRITUAL BIBICAL TRUTH NOW AND IT ALLWAYS HAS BEEN ALLWAYS WILL BE ETERNALLY.AMEN.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

There's so much more to the text than just reading it prayerfully and ask for the light of the Spirit to reveal its meaning/s. Many people would say that doing so is "enough" to understand the text. I do not fully agree with that. Not the least that one has also to mind the contemporary milieu and mindset in which the text was written. Which people who were addressed and how they would have understood that message there and then. The history behind it. Such knowledge is essential for those who want to get deeper into scripture. There is much talking of big words out there with many examples of people who say that "Paul meant this", (usually charismatic, enthusiast or spiritualist) and who claim they have "listened to the Spirit" and gotten their "interpretation". Yet historical records clearly shows that Paul can never have meant what they say.

I agree to a point.

Yes, I do think that understanding the cultural and historical context of a particular passage is important in coming to its proper interpretation.

However, I hesitate to make this a "requirement." There have been plenty of times when some PhD with all the letters after his name reads a passage of Scripture and talks for hours about it, and never really gets it, while some simpleton who never graduated from high school can look at it and say, "Oh, here's what's going on." And sometime that "simpleton" has a better grasp than the professor.

So I guess I'm saying yes, learn history, learn ancient Greek and Babylonian culture, but never for a second think that that education can replace the Holy Spirit. It can supplement her (the Spirit, that is, Ruach, feminine), but never replace her.

 

[enochson]

enochson, you've piqued my curiostiy...how was Jesus simultaneously man and woman?
~ellie

Because the frist adam was both man and women then god took women from adam so he would have a helpmate. So to was christ born as the frist adam without sin and did not separate what god had broth together and sin as adam and eve did. it's all in romans 1.

 

[edward99]

So I guess I'm saying yes, learn history, learn ancient Greek and Babylonian culture, but never for a second think that that education can replace the Holy Spirit. It can supplement her (the Spirit, that is, Ruach, feminine), but never replace her.

You are intentionally calling the Holy Spirit SHE.

 

[enochson]

NEVER AT ALL NEVER,MORE STUPID THEOLOGY.

sorry back it up with the bible.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Because the frist adam was both man and women then god took women from adam so he would have a helpmate. So to was christ born as the frist adam without sin and did not separate what god had broth together and sin as adam and eve did. it's all in romans 1.

I have heard the theory that the first Adam was both male and female, but I have never heard this application of it to Christ. I like it. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Ariel82]

sorry back it up with the bible.

women don't get it snipped...


Luke 2:20-22

King James Version (KJV)

20 And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.
21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

You are intentionally calling the Holy Spirit SHE.

Duh. That's because the grammatical gender of the Holy Spirit is female.

 

[enochson]

I have heard the theory that the first Adam was both male and female, but I have never heard this application of it to Christ. I like it. Thank you for sharing.

It is so hardhead to think anything esle. what does a man think he because on the a cross a man alone or both a man and a women thereby givien brith to what is to become the new creation. Pighead men are just as bad as pighead women who both preach where the better sex thats just nuts.

 

[enochson]

Duh. That's because the grammatical gender of the Holy Spirit is female.

sorry the holy spirit is both.