Galatian Conundrums

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I posted this earlier but no takers but the thread did get swamped by trolls so I`ll try again.

When will this prophecy be fulfilled?

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

It`s from Zechariah 14 if that helps.
 
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I read the Bible. :rolleyes:
Leviticus 23 King James Version (KJV)
23 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.
4 These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. […]
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Right. (Same for your Deut16 chpt quote.)

And we can see in Colossians 2, it says (to "the Church which is His body" / US):

16 Therefore let no one judge you in regard to food, or in regard to drink, or in regard to a feast, or a New Moon, or Sabbaths, 17 which ARE [present tense, plural] A SHADOW [singular] the things coming [present participle, plural]. But the body is of Christ.

https://biblehub.com/text/colossians/2-17.htm


...while these are not things for US to "observe" (see Lev23:2 specifically ['which YE [Israel] shall proclaim']), they (here) ARE said to be A SHADOW the things COMING.



[note: personally, I do not see "the feast of trumpets" to be/represent our Rapture (trumpet), as some do... I see a differing chronology, but that's the subject of a different thread :) (I do see the above-mentioned verse 17 to be speaking of things [/timings] in the future trib period and the earthly MK age, however)]
 
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RickStudies said:
I posted this earlier but no takers but the thread did get swamped by trolls so I`ll try again.
When will this prophecy be fulfilled?
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
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18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
It`s from Zechariah 14 if that helps.
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In the earthly MK age, following the tribulation period and His Second Coming to the earth.
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
In the earthly MK age, following the tribulation period and His Second Coming to the earth.
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Thx for playing. Yeah it`s not a trick question. It`s one of several prophecies that pertain to the earthly Kingdom of Christ.

I wanted to call attention to the keeping of the feast of tabernacles which is part of the law. Wanted to ask these law critics what they thought about that.

I`m curious about your background. Are you a Pauline Christian?
 
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^ be aware (and careful) of your terminology. I've heard that "a Pauline Christian" [or related terminology] is something which has bad/poor doctrine, and is wholly distinct from what is called "Pauline Dispensationalism"


(whatever the former goes by, I have [in the past] looked to see what it is, b/c a poster long ago referred to it [they were not grasping the differences], and I indeed saw that it ['Pauline Christianity' or something] is not good doctrine)
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
^ be aware (and careful) of your terminology. I've heard that "a Pauline Christian" [or related terminology] is something which has bad/poor doctrine, and is wholly distinct from what is called "Pauline Dispensationalism"


(whatever the former goes by, I have [in the past] looked to see what it is ;b/c a poster long ago referred to it], and indeed saw that it is not good doctrine)
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:LOL: Ok I understand. I learned some things worth keeping tho when I looked into it.
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
^ be aware (and careful) of your terminology. I've heard that "a Pauline Christian" [or related terminology] is something which has bad/poor doctrine, and is wholly distinct from what is called "Pauline Dispensationalism"


(whatever the former goes by, I have [in the past] looked to see what it is, b/c a poster long ago referred to it [they were not grasping the differences], and I indeed saw that it ['Pauline Christianity' or something] is not good doctrine)
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I`m sorry just the support you gave me led me to think you might be. Leaves me more curious then before about you :)
 
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:LOL: Ok I understand. I learned some things worth keeping tho when I looked into it.
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I had added to my post after you grabbed it... where I had remembered the term (which is completely distinct from "Pauline Dispensationalism"--NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL) and is called "Pauline Christianity" (you had asked "Pauline Christian"... so I'm presenting here what THEY are so you'll know the differences):

[quoting from gotquestions, on "Pauline Christianity" (NOT "Pauline Dispensationalism" ;) )]

"Question: "What is Pauline Christianity?"
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In short, Paul was a charlatan, an evangelical huckster who succeeded in twisting Jesus’ message of love into something Jesus himself would never recognize. It was Paul, not Jesus, who originated the “Christianity” of today.

Commonly, those who hold to the above theory also believe the following:

1) Jesus was not divine. He never claimed to be God, and he never intended to start a new religion.

2) The Bible is not an inspired book and is riddled with contradictions. None of the Bible, except possibly the book of James, was written by anyone who knew Jesus. There are fragments of Jesus’ teachings in the Gospels, but it is difficult to discern what he really said.

3) Paul was never a Pharisee and was not highly educated. His “conversion” was either a personal hallucinogenic experience or an outright fraud. His claims to be an apostle were attempts to further his own authority in the church.

4) Pauline theological “inventions” include a) the deity of Jesus; b) salvation by grace through faith; c) salvation through the blood of Jesus; d) the sinless nature of Jesus; e) the concept of original sin; and f) the Holy Spirit. None of these “new doctrines” were accepted by Jesus’ true followers.

5) The Gnostic Gospels are closer to the truth about Jesus than are the traditional four Gospels of the Bible.

The concept of “Pauline Christianity” represents an outright attack on the Bible as the Word of God. Adherents of the “Pauline Christianity” theory are truly misrepresenting Jesus’ teachings."

[end quoting] -- https://www.gotquestions.org/Pauline-Christianity.html


This is NOT what you have been describing in your posts. ;) (the above is "Pauline Christianity" viewpoint)



[again, NOT "Pauline Dispensationalism"... they are NOT the same thing!]
 
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^ ...so I'm just pointing that out, since you used the terminology "Pauline Christian"... so you'll be aware these are not the same.
 
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^ ...so I'm just pointing that out, since you used the terminology "Pauline Christian"... so you'll be aware these are not the same.
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Ok, I`m behind the 8 ball. I left Yahoo groups about 14 years ago and haven`t bothered with online heresy until now. I injured my knee so stuck at home for a bit :)
 
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Ok, I`m behind the 8 ball. I left Yahoo groups about 14 years ago and haven`t bothered with online heresy until now. I injured my knee so stuck at home for a bit :)
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I know, it's like a full-time job, isn't it? lol

Well, try to take it easy and enjoy your time off. :D
 
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I know, it's like a full-time job, isn't it? lol

Well, try to take it easy and enjoy your time off. :D
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I`ve been getting cabin fever which is why I broke down and joined this outfit. It`s like moving to the ghetto :LOL: I`ve been attacked by people with a lot more class then this.
 
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LOL (don't fault them too much :) ; sometimes I think ppl are not really grasping what it is they are speaking out against [JMHO])

"Pauline Dispensationalists" believe the Church began in Acts 2 (not the later points in time, like some others do), and that Paul was given to unfold the doctrine of it/associated with it.
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
LOL (don't fault them too much :) ; sometimes I think ppl are not really grasping what it is they are speaking out against [JMHO])

"Pauline Dispensationalists" believe the Church began in Acts 2 (not the later points in time, like some others do), and that Paul was given to unfold the doctrine of it/associated with it.
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I see some things a certain way because of looking into their beliefs but in the end I couldn`t agree with enough of it to be accepted by them.
 
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RickStudies said:
I`ve been getting cabin fever which is why I broke down and joined this outfit. It`s like moving to the ghetto :LOL: I`ve been attacked by people with a lot more class then this.
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Man that was 😂🤣😂
 
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I see some things a certain way because of looking into their beliefs but in the end I couldn`t agree with enough of it to be accepted by them.
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So, you're saying you did look into it? You mean, Pauline Dispensationalism, here?

[...the Holy Spirit sealing and indwelling the Church... etc]
 
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So, you're saying you did look into it? You mean, Pauline Dispensationalism, here?

[...the Holy Spirit sealing and indwelling the Church... etc]
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Not here, long ago, mid 80`s. I went to one of their churches a few times. Read a book they gave me called "things that differ."
When I was a young man I explored a lot of different churches.
 
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Thx. I really didn`t mean it. Just a joke well maybe true but I was still making a joke.
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nothin wrong with a little laughter it’s lol,

even the bible has some.

Ecclesiastes 10:19
“A feast is made for laughter, wine makes life merry, and money is the answer for everything.”
 
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nothin wrong with a little laughter it’s lol,

even the bible has some.

Ecclesiastes 10:19
“A feast is made for laughter, wine makes life merry, and money is the answer for everything.”
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How about this one? James 4 one of my favorites.

9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
 
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