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Most certainly the apostle John speaks of God's commandments in his 1st and 2nd epistles...he does not identify them as ten because there are certainly more than ten...he refers to them as the commandments (plural); while the commandment to believe on the name of Jesus Christ and love one another is a singular commandment.

I would say concerning the 2nd post that one can be justified as an ungodly person (Romans 4:5) but if they sin they are not born again (1 John 3:8-9).

The person who has faith in Christ is justified even when they are sinning but faith can extend to a higher level...in which you become sanctified wholly (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv)). This is the point where one is "born of God" (1 John 3:9).

A person can be justified apart from and before they are "born of God"...for being born of God would be likened to being circumcised spiritually (see Romans 4:11).

A justified person has righteousness imputed to them...they have taken the steps needed to become born of God once their faith takes root...whether they will be sanctified wholly when they receive their glorified bodies in heaven or whether they receive that "second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15) in this life.
So now you are back to if a person sins they cannot be born again. I have to ask, what will your view be tomorrow? Keep mentioning ''The ten Commandments is to have an old covenant mindset. It is not about the ''ten commandments'' it is about the law written in your mind and placed on your heart,
 

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No. Your wires are crossed.

Pharisees do not think they have any problems with the law.

They think they are BLAMELESS according to the law.


Only Christians, who have been to Christ, know that the Law is condemnation and death. Pharisees believe their blessing resides in their adherence to the law and that they are righteous because of it.
Paul as a Pharisee felt that he was indeed blameless.

When he became a Christian, he realized that he had not been blameless as a Pharisee; for he was guilty as a Pharisee of coveting. He realized this when he became a Christian; perhaps even as a Pharisee.

When Jesus said to the Pharisees and scribes, "Let him that is without sin among you cast the first stone" they all left one-by-one, realizing from the eldest to the youngest that they were all sinners.

So yes, even Pharisees can be aware of the fact that they are a sinner; even while they are a Pharisee.
 

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So now you are back to if a person sins they cannot be born again. I have to ask, what will your view be tomorrow? Keep mentioning ''The ten Commandments is to have an old covenant mindset. It is not about the ''ten commandments'' it is about the law written in your mind and placed on your heart,
The law written on your heart and mind is the ten commandments; as evidenced by Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6; Romans 8:4.
 
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The law written on your heart and mind is the ten commandments; as evidenced by Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6; Romans 8:4.
Its a lot more than the words of the ten commandments, or it should be. The ten commandments phrase is old covenant, not new covenant.
 

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So now you are back to if a person sins they cannot be born again. I have to ask, what will your view be tomorrow?
That depends on what scripture I will be looking at or thinking of tomorrow.
 

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So in your view, Saul did not know what lust was and he did not know it broke the tenth commandment?
I think he was probably in denial of the fact that he was a sinner.

Its a lot more than the words of the ten commandments, or it should be. The ten commandments phrase is old covenant, not new covenant.
Now when I speak of the law as concerning the basic truths of law and gospel in holy scripture; I am referring to the law as being every moral tent of holy scripture; including Jesus' re-definition of the ten commandments in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) in which He brought the law home to the heart so that the Pharisees couldn't any longer fool themselves into thinking that they were keeping the law simply because their outward behaviour was impeccable.
 
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I think he was probably in denial of the fact that he was a sinner.



Now when I speak of the law as concerning the basic truths of law and gospel in holy scripture; I am referring to the law as being every moral tent of holy scripture; including Jesus' re-definition of the ten commandments in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) in which He brought the law home to the heart so that the Pharisees couldn't any longer fool themselves into thinking that they were keeping the law simply because their outward behaviour was impeccable.
You are entitled to your views, but none of the apostles used the term Ten Commandments. There wasnt any need, the law is in your heart and mind. Christ spoke the words of God on this earth? Are His commands less important in your view than the Ten?
 

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You are entitled to your views, but none of the apostles used the term Ten Commandments.
Because there are more than ten.

John, in his 1st and 2n epistles, used the term commandments a few times; he referred to believing in the name of Jesus and loving one another as a singular commandment.
 
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Because there are more than ten.

John, in his 1st and 2n epistles, used the term commandments a few times; he referred to believing in the name of Jesus and loving one another as a singular commandment.
He didnt mention the ten commandments did he. I will repeat, the closest you come to it is when Paul told born again christians the law engraved in stone was the letter that kills and the ministry of death and condemnation. Do you believe Paul thought that was the law of liberty?
 

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There wasnt any need, the law is in your heart and mind. Christ spoke the words of God on this earth? Are His commands less important in your view than the Ten?
Jesus' primary commandment was "love one another as I have loved you."

This singular commandment is fulfilled when we obey the ten (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6; Romans 8:4).
 

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He didnt mention the ten commandments did he. I will repeat, the closest you come to it is when Paul told born again christians the law engraved in stone was the letter that kills and the ministry of death and condemnation. Do you believe Paul thought that was the law of liberty?
The ten commandments are the law of liberty inasmuch as they are written on the heart; the law of sin and death inasmuch as they are engraven on stones and do not reach the heart.
 
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Jesus' primary commandment was "love one another as I have loved you."

This singular commandment is fulfilled when we obey the ten (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6; Romans 8:4).
You have that the wrong way around my friend. Loving one another and your Father in Heaven fulfills the law.
 
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The ten commandments are the law of liberty inasmuch as they are written on the heart; the law of sin and death inasmuch as they are engraven on stones and do not reach the heart.
Im sorry but that's crazy. Anyway, whether you realise it or not, in truth you believe in a justification/righteousness of obeying the ten commandments. For to you, the gauge of whether someone is saved is if they obey those laws. And to you, if you break those laws you cannot remain justified before God, if you keep them you do remain justified. It doesnt matter how you wrap it up. Whether from the angle of love or following after the Holy Spirit. To you, you can only be righteous if you obey the ten commandments
 

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You have that the wrong way around my friend. Loving one another and your Father in Heaven fulfills the law.
Right.

If I love my neighbor as myself, I am not going to:

* Commit adultery with his wife

* kill him

* steal from him

* bear false witness against him

* covet any of what belongs to him

* or, violate any other commandment concerning him.

(Romans 13:8-10).

Therefore, if I do any of those things, I am not loving my neighbor as myself.

Thus it can be said that I am loving my neighbor as myself inasmuch as I do not do those things to him.
 
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Right.

If I love my neighbor as myself, I am not going to:

* Commit adultery with his wife

* kill him

* steal from him

* bear false witness against him

* covet any of what belongs to him

* or, violate any other commandment concerning him.

(Romans 13:8-10).

Therefore, if I do any of those things, I am not loving my neighbor as myself.

Thus it can be said that I am loving my neighbor as myself inasmuch as I do not do those things to him.
Do I really have to quote Christ and Paul? Love fulfills the law, love is not fulfilled by obeying the ten commandments
 

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Im sorry but that's crazy. Anyway, whether you realise it or not, in truth you believe in a justification/righteousness of obeying the ten commandments. For to you, the gauge of whether someone is saved is if they obey those laws. And to you, if you break those laws you cannot remain justified before God, if you keep them you do remain justified. It doesnt matter how you wrap it up. Whether from the angle of love or following after the Holy Spirit. To you, you can only be righteous if you obey the ten commandments
No, righteousness is imputed to the one who is not circumcised spiritually (Romans 4:11).

Therefore, I am justified even when I blow it (Romans 4:5). That is my unshakable identity in Christ.

The exhortation being, Go and live like your new identity (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

When I live like my identity, I am abiding in Christ and can say that I am born of God in those moments.
 
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No, righteousness is imputed to the one who is not circumcised spiritually (Romans 4:11).

Therefore, I am justified even when I blow it (Romans 4:5). That is my unshakable identity in Christ.

The exhortation being, Go and live like your new identity (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

When I live like my identity, I am abiding in Christ and can say that I am born of God in those moments.
Can a believer remain justified in God's sight if they break the ten commandments?