Galatians Discussion

[justbyfaith]

I don't mean this offensively, but what anyone thinks on the internet as to whether I am saved or not is irrelevant to me.

So, you don't mind if I pray for your salvation.

 

[justbyfaith]

So let me ask you, do you perfectly obey the law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break? If you say yes, I will not believe you, and I doubt anyone else would either

The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me inasmuch as I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

 

[Onesimus63]

Think about what those things would really be in the life of a Christian.

You are saying that someone who has truly been regenerated and renewed in the Holy Ghost can exhibit such attributes?

1Jo 2:29, If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

I dont think you understand justification and sanctification process at all:
God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions – it is by grace you have been saved. Eph 2:4&5

But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a law-breaker. Gal2:17&18

 

[Onesimus63]

So, you don't mind if I pray for your salvation.

It is up to you entirely what you pray for. Its good to pray that we do not demand of others what we do not demand of oursleves, for that is very dangerous ground indeed (Matt7:2)

 

[justbyfaith]

I dont think you understand justification and sanctification process at all:
God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions – it is by grace you have been saved. Eph 2:4&5

But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a law-breaker. Gal2:17&18

Right. Christ does not promote sin.

If He comes into your heart, there is going to be a change in character.

 

[Onesimus63]

The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me inasmuch as I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

So let me ask again, see if you deflect again:
do you perfectly obey the law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break? If you say yes, I will not believe you, and I doubt anyone else would either.

As you quote: Sin is the transgression of the law

 

[justbyfaith]

It is up to you entirely what you pray for. Its good to pray that we do not demand of others what we do not demand of oursleves, for that is very dangerous ground indeed (Matt7:2)

I demand of myself everything that I demand of you; while the Lord does not demand it of me since I am not under the law (Romans 6:14), am dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and am delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

 

[Onesimus63]

Right. Christ does not promote sin.

If He comes into your heart, there is going to be a change in character.

Why oh why do you ignore all that was written. While the believer seeks justification of their faith in Christ in crossing over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness it will be evident they themselves are sinners. It takes time. Bearing that in mind, consider the verses from i peter I quoted to you

 

[justbyfaith]

So let me ask again, see if you deflect again:
do you perfectly obey the law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break? If you say yes, I will not believe you, and I doubt anyone else would either.

As you quote: Sin is the transgression of the law

I do not keep the letter of the law perfectly as it is related in the Old Testament (Galatians 6:13).

But I do believe that the spirit of the law is a different story (Romans 7:6, 8:4).

 

[Onesimus63]

I demand of myself everything that I demand of you; while the Lord does not demand it of me since I am not under the law (Romans 6:14), am dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and am delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

Well you my friend are certainly not sinless, so I dont see why you claim no one can be born again until; they are fully sanctified. And neither do you follow after the Holy Spirit every moment of your life. Im not judging you. But in my view, serious questions need to be asked of those who claim such things

 

[Onesimus63]

I do not keep the letter of the law perfectly as it is related in the Old Testament (Galatians 6:13).

But I do believe that the spirit of the law is a different story (Romans 7:6, 8:4).

If you do not understand you commit sin in relation to what goes on inside of you/you are not perfect in that regard, according to the definition of sin, I feel sorry for you

 

[justbyfaith]

Why oh why do you ignore all that was written. While the believer seeks justification of their faith in Christ in crossing over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness it will be evident they themselves are sinners. It takes time. Bearing that in mind, consider the verses from i peter I quoted to you

Of course it will become evident that they are sinners if they are not covering the inside but are letting Jesus cleanse the inside of the cup and platter. For this has to do with walking in the light as He is in the light. The result of which will be that He "cleanseth us continually from all sin." (1 John 1:7)

 

[justbyfaith]

Well you my friend are certainly not sinless, so I dont see why you claim no one can be born again until; they are fully sanctified. And neither do you follow after the Holy Spirit every moment of your life. Im not judging you. But in my view, serious questions need to be asked of those who claim such things

No one is sinless (1 John 1:8).

However, the element of sin can be rendered dead within us (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

 

[Onesimus63]

Of course it will become evident that they are sinners if they are not covering the inside but are letting Jesus cleanse the inside of the cup and platter. For this has to do with walking in the light as He is in the light. The result of which will be that He "cleanseth us continually from all sin." (1 John 1:7)

It will be evident they are sinners because sanctification is a journey, it does not all happen at once, unlike justification

 

[Onesimus63]

No one is sinless (1 John 1:8).

However, the element of sin can be rendered dead within us (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

Dead in respect of not concentrating on sin in order to wilfully commit it, but you will still sin in your humanity, to believe otherwise is I am afraid to be blind at best, or else something much worse

 

[justbyfaith]

If you do not understand you commit sin in relation to what goes on inside of you/you are not perfect in that regard, according to the definition of sin, I feel sorry for you

As one who is born of God, I cannot sin (for as long as I abide in Him)...1 John 3:6,9.

 

[justbyfaith]

It will be evident they are sinners because sanctification is a journey, it does not all happen at once, unlike justification

It can happen all at once.

the Gentile believers spoken of in Acts 15:9, God "purified their hearts by faith".

 

[justbyfaith]

Dead in respect of not concentrating on sin in order to wilfully commit it, but you will still sin in your humanity, to believe otherwise is I am afraid to be blind at best, or else something much worse

Our humanity can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

 

[Onesimus63]

As one who is born of God, I cannot sin (for as long as I abide in Him)...1 John 3:6,9.

You must water the law of God down to a very low level indeed. I dont know how anyone can do that as the law is in their heart and mind.

 

[Onesimus63]

It can happen all at once.

the Gentile believers spoken of in Acts 15:9, God "purified their hearts by faith".

Oh my word.

 

[justbyfaith]

Oh my word.

Try this one on for size...

Psa 10:4, The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.