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Psa 10:4, The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.
Psa 10:4, The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.
All you have is a doctrine based on the partial letter of scripture. It has no reality in yours or anyone elses life. I have seen many with this, honestly I have.
Otherwise you may as well reject Christianity; it would not be a valid religion if that is the case.
Glad you mentioned pride. I wonder which God would prefer, someone who raised their arms in the air and praised him from their heart for loving and keeping them an unworthy person, or someone else, who claimed nigh on sinless perfection and claimed every moment of their life they followed after the Holy Spirit(self edification)
If the Holy Spirit is pinpointing sin in our lives, of course coming to Him as unworthy would be the thing to do.
But if you have come to Him and have already confessed your sins, then He has cleansed you from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). So, believing that you have been cleansed is not pride but faith in a promise of holy scripture.
It has every reality in my life and the lives of others.
Otherwise you may as well reject Christianity; it would not be a valid religion if that is the case.
We are to walk in the light as He is in the light (1 John 1:7).
If the Holy Spirit is pinpointing sin in our lives, of course coming to Him as unworthy would be the thing to do.
But if you have come to Him and have already confessed your sins, then He has cleansed you from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). So, believing that you have been cleansed is not pride but faith in a promise of holy scripture.
Otherwise you may as well reject Christianity; it would not be a valid religion if that is the case.
We are to walk in the light as He is in the light (1 John 1:7).
If the Holy Spirit is pinpointing sin in our lives, of course coming to Him as unworthy would be the thing to do.
But if you have come to Him and have already confessed your sins, then He has cleansed you from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). So, believing that you have been cleansed is not pride but faith in a promise of holy scripture.
All you have is a doctrine based on the partial letter of scripture. It has no reality in yours or anyone elses life. I have seen many with this, honestly I have.
Paul stated the Corinthians were the church of the living God and they were far from sinless
James told his readers to confess their sins/faults one to another.
John states if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
Peter told those he termed born again to rid themselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind.
Paul stated that while believers seek to be justified in Christ(in respect of crossing over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness) it would be evident they were sinners.
Paul stated he was not yet perfect.
Paul stated believers should offer themselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. If they were perfect in the flesh/sinless they would not be being led into holiness they would already be perfectly holy.
Paul asked the thesalonians to live more and more as he had instructed them. If they were already sinless, leading a perfect life in the flesh he wouldn’t have needed to ask that.
That’s the real world. Reeling off the partial letter of scripture and claiming nigh on sinless perfection is not. The Apostles taught the ideal way obviously, that does not mean they believed anyone could or would perfectly follow it at all times without deviation. From the above comments they obviously knew they would not.
It is not a good place to be, to only have a head theology based on the letter-or partial letter. And it is an even worse place to be when you proclaim you perfectly follow that letter
James told his readers to confess their sins/faults one to another.
John states if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
Peter told those he termed born again to rid themselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind.
Paul stated that while believers seek to be justified in Christ(in respect of crossing over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness) it would be evident they were sinners.
Paul stated he was not yet perfect.
Paul stated believers should offer themselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. If they were perfect in the flesh/sinless they would not be being led into holiness they would already be perfectly holy.
Paul asked the thesalonians to live more and more as he had instructed them. If they were already sinless, leading a perfect life in the flesh he wouldn’t have needed to ask that.
That’s the real world. Reeling off the partial letter of scripture and claiming nigh on sinless perfection is not. The Apostles taught the ideal way obviously, that does not mean they believed anyone could or would perfectly follow it at all times without deviation. From the above comments they obviously knew they would not.
It is not a good place to be, to only have a head theology based on the letter-or partial letter. And it is an even worse place to be when you proclaim you perfectly follow that letter
As I said:
All you have is a doctrine based on the partial letter of scripture. It has no reality in yours or anyone elses life. I have seen many with this, honestly I have.
All you have is a doctrine based on the partial letter of scripture. It has no reality in yours or anyone elses life. I have seen many with this, honestly I have.
Your faith is in a sad state of affairs, if you think that the Christian faith is not able to produce a change in the life of a Christian.
Paul stated the Corinthians were the church of the living God and they were far from sinless
Therefore, those who were sinful in the Corinthian church were very likely not yet born again.
James told his readers to confess their sins/faults one to another.
John states if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
Peter told those he termed born again to rid themselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind.
You would really purport that someone who is regenerated and renewed in the Holy Ghost can exhibit such attributes?
Paul stated that while believers seek to be justified in Christ(in respect of crossing over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness) it would be evident they were sinners.
Paul stated he was not yet perfect.
Paul stated believers should offer themselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. If they were perfect in the flesh/sinless they would not be being led into holiness they would already be perfectly holy.
Paul asked the thesalonians to live more and more as he had instructed them. If they were already sinless, leading a perfect life in the flesh he wouldn’t have needed to ask that.
That’s the real world. Reeling off the partial letter of scripture and claiming nigh on sinless perfection is not. The Apostles taught the ideal way obviously, that does not mean they believed anyone could or would perfectly follow it at all times without deviation. From the above comments they obviously knew they would not.
Therefore, it is possible to walk, not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4) for an extended period of time; even for the rest of your life (Luke 1:74-75).
It is not a good place to be, to only have a head theology based on the letter-or partial letter. And it is an even worse place to be when you proclaim you perfectly follow that letter
What I have claimed is that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me inasmuch as I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4);
And that it is possible, according to scripture, that we might be able to walk consistently, not after the flesh but after the Spirit, for an extended period of time; even for the rest of our lives (Luke 1:74-75).
For we are not obligated to obey the flesh (Romans 8:12 (kjv, NLT)).
Oh I fully believe change comes, but not sinless perfection. And from the quotes I gave, neither did any of the Apostles believe their readers had attained to sinless perfection
And I do not claim "sinless" perfection.
Perfection, yes (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv)).
Sinless, no (1 John 1:8).
Again, those who are justified are not necessarily yet born again.
Jesus replied, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]’
4 ‘How can someone be born when they are old?’ Nicodemus asked. ‘Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!’
5 Jesus answered, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, “You[c] must be born again.” 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.’[d]
9 ‘How can this be?’ Nicodemus asked.
10 ‘You are Israel’s teacher,’ said Jesus, ‘and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe;
It is an interesting theory of yours that if a person is justified/righteous before God they are not neccessarily entitled to enter Heaven. Jesus told Nicodemus he was speaking of earthly things.
You appear to have no understanding of justification/sanctification, I am reminded of the words of a Baptist minister
You said that the faith of Christianity doesn't have reality in anyone's life.
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All you have is a doctrine based on the partial letter of scripture. It has no reality in yours or anyone elses life. I have seen many with this, honestly I have.
If you are referring to the above, I hope you will repent for bearing false witness
I will pass over your attempts to explain away what the Apostles plainly stated
Jesus replied, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]’
4 ‘How can someone be born when they are old?’ Nicodemus asked. ‘Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!’
5 Jesus answered, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, “You[c] must be born again.” 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.’[d]
9 ‘How can this be?’ Nicodemus asked.
10 ‘You are Israel’s teacher,’ said Jesus, ‘and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe;
It is an interesting theory of yours that if a person is justified/righteous before God they are not neccessarily entitled to enter Heaven. Jesus told Nicodemus he was speaking of earthly things.
You appear to have no understanding of justification/sanctification, I am reminded of the words of a Baptist minister
Jesus replied, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]’
4 ‘How can someone be born when they are old?’ Nicodemus asked. ‘Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!’
5 Jesus answered, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, “You[c] must be born again.” 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.’[d]
9 ‘How can this be?’ Nicodemus asked.
10 ‘You are Israel’s teacher,’ said Jesus, ‘and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe;
It is an interesting theory of yours that if a person is justified/righteous before God they are not neccessarily entitled to enter Heaven. Jesus told Nicodemus he was speaking of earthly things.
You appear to have no understanding of justification/sanctification, I am reminded of the words of a Baptist minister
Being justified guarantees glorification (Romans 8:30)
''All you have is a doctrine based on the partial letter of scripture. It has no reality in yours or anyone elses life. I have seen many with this, honestly I have.''
''You said that the faith of Christianity doesn't have reality in anyone's life.''
People who claim not to commit sin simply excuse sin as not really sin, they try and justify it. There is nothing new under the sun
''You said that the faith of Christianity doesn't have reality in anyone's life.''
People who claim not to commit sin simply excuse sin as not really sin, they try and justify it. There is nothing new under the sun