Gay and confused

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What you don't understand is the definition of "homosexuality." Homosexuality is being attracted to the same sex. Is it a sin to be attracted to someone? No. Is it a sin to act on these attractions whether that be in spirit or body? Yes. Will God change your desires to fit his will? Absolutely.
IDK is it a sin to be attracted to alcohol, or meth, or hookers. If I knew they were acting on these sins blatantly and not seeking deliverance I would not allow them to be in leadership positions in my church. Would you allow a known pedafile to teach childrens church?
 
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IDK is it a sin to be attracted to alcohol, or meth, or hookers. If I knew they were acting on these sins blatantly and not seeking deliverance I would not allow them to be in leadership positions in my church. Would you allow a known pedafile to teach childrens church?
We aren't discussing a pedophile. We are discussing a homosexual. As long as he/she remains chaste, relies on God, and resists the temptation, then he/she can have leadership positions in the Church.
 
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IDK is it a sin to be attracted to alcohol, or meth, or hookers. If I knew they were acting on these sins blatantly and not seeking deliverance I would not allow them to be in leadership positions in my church. Would you allow a known pedafile to teach childrens church?
No it is not a sin to "be attracted" to alcohol, meth or hookers. To be attractive is to be appealing. They can be enticing things. To be enticed is to be tempted. Jesus Himself was even tempted. It is however, sin to lust after these things or partake in them. Needless to say, God doesn't want you to be attracted to these things and will indefinitely change your heart through the power of Christ if you are willing.

And for the other part of your comment; assuming the person was a known pedophile, no of course I wouldn't allow them to teach children in church. Would I allow them to be a member of church? Indeed I would. Christ doesn't exclude anyone from His grace and He has the power to change ANY heart.
 
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We aren't discussing a pedophile. We are discussing a homosexual. As long as he/she remains chaste, relies on God, and resists the temptation, then he/she can have leadership positions in the Church.
Although the same goes for pedophiles as well.
 

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Hello I have been attending church on an off al my life but recently every Sunday plus bible studies mid week and other weekend convenctions for about 5 years, however I am also gay I know what the bible says about this, but I love going to church and reading the bible. I recently told the pastor I was gay I didn't want to mislead the church, I wanted to be honest so they accepted me for who I am not who they think I am. He told me I could no longer be a member or have any leaderships rolls in the church I understand and accept all that how ever one comment he made upset me and now I never want to go back to church the comment was being gay is no different to people who sleep around. I have never done that, you don't have to be gay to sleep around. my question is this normal reaction, Will I find a church that is wiling to accept me knowing I am gay?
Sad to say, but the preacher is like most typical Christians today. Scripture plainly teaches that the ACT of homosexual sex is sinful. But this generation teaches that who you are attracted to is ALSO sinful, which Scriptures does not teach. Gay people will enter into the Kingdom of God as long as they are abiding in the Word of God. Straight people will enter into the Kingdom of God as long s they are abiding in the Word of God.
There is NO Scriptures whatsoever that teaches it is a sin to be attracted to the same sex. Men teach that.
Who a person is attracted to determines if they are Homosexual or Heterosexual or Bisexual. Who you are attracted to is not sin.
If you are gay, and not having any gay sexual relationships, and you are abiding by the Word of God, you will enter into Heaven before many who are straight, and are not found to be Christ-like.

^i^ responding to post OP
 
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kaylagrl

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Sad to say, but the preacher is like most typical Christians today. Scripture plainly teaches that the ACT of homosexual sex is sinful. But this generation teaches that who you are attracted to is ALSO sinful, which Scriptures does not teach. Gay people will enter into the Kingdom of God as long as they are abiding in the Word of God. Straight people will enter into the Kingdom of God as long s they are abiding in the Word of God.
There is NO Scriptures whatsoever that teaches it is a sin to be attracted to the same sex. Men teach that.
Who a person is attracted to determines if they are Homosexual or Heterosexual or Bisexual. Who you are attracted to is not sin.
If you are gay, and not having any gay sexual relationships, and you are abiding by the Word of God, you will enter into Heaven before many who are straight, and are not found to be Christ-like.

^i^ responding to post OP

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart...This would include same sex situations.

 
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But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart...This would include same sex situations.

You don't feel attraction for men? Nothing, huh?
 

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I really dont like the idea of saying its not a sin to be "attracted" to the same sex. I prefer saying its not a sin to be /tempted/. I do find the difference of words meaningful. I do so because the first option gives people comfort in the situation. It can lead to the idea that its okay to find the same sex attractive as long as you dont act it out, which is not right. We should avoid being lustful entirely.


I mean, yeah that idea can come into you, like seeing someone of the same gender and having that thought "hey he/shes hot". But when that happens, just shake it out, and remind yourself that it is not Gods will. Dont allow yourself to be told that its okay to think it as long as you just dont be gay, that is dangerous thinking. If you can say no to being gay, you can shake the idea that you are attracted to someone you shouldnt be.

And before someone mixes up my comment here and tells you Im saying that you should feel ashamed that this happens to you, I am telling you that I am tempted like you, we all are tempted with evil, but we should not let ourselves be comforted by the fact that we are tempted, but instead remind ourselves that God comes first. Just ignore temptation :p
 
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I really dont like the idea of saying its not a sin to be "attracted" to the same sex. I prefer saying its not a sin to be /tempted/. I do find the difference of words meaningful. I do so because the first option gives people comfort in the situation. It can lead to the idea that its okay to find the same sex attractive as long as you dont act it out, which is not right. We should avoid being lustful entirely.


I mean, yeah that idea can come into you, like seeing someone of the same gender and having that thought "hey he/shes hot". But when that happens, just shake it out, and remind yourself that it is not Gods will. Dont allow yourself to be told that its okay to think it as long as you just dont be gay, that is dangerous thinking. If you can say no to being gay, you can shake the idea that you are attracted to someone you shouldnt be.

And before someone mixes up my comment here and tells you Im saying that you should feel ashamed that this happens to you, I am telling you that I am tempted like you, we all are tempted with evil, but we should not let ourselves be comforted by the fact that we are tempted, but instead remind ourselves that God comes first. Just ignore temptation :p
I think there is an important aspect of this whole thing that we are missing.

We are not talking about a person who ordinarily goes for the opposite sex, but just gets some desire now and then for the same sex. The OP seems to ONLY find the same sex attractive. Without that attraction, there is none for them. Nothing. He can't just decide to "go back to thinking right."

Imagine yourself in this situation: Someone finds a long-lost book of the Bible, the one you try to follow, that states that we are to only have attraction for the same sex. Sure, this is stupid... but just put yourself in such a situation....... because this is where they are.

Do you think you could do as so many of us tell them to do? Could you just make up your mind that the same sex was now attractive to you? Of course you couldn't.

So do you know what you are now........ according to many people right here.... you are now a sinner because you find your opposite sex spouse attractive.

Nope, sorry........ That's it, you're a dirty sinner because you only have eyes for your spouse. And there are no two way about it. You have to start grooving on people of your same sex... it now says so in the Bible.

No, this isn't hating.... not at all. As many have said here, "This is Scripture!" Accept it, or be a sinner.

How's the shoe feel when it's on the other foot
 
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forsha

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One thing, Don't consider yourself a gay. You're a big man now. You were gay prior to salvation. I believe the saying that " there's no gay can enter in heaven" and there is no such thing as "gay christian". We can call it former gay but BORN AGAIN now.

2 Corinthians 5:17 " Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is new creature: all things are passed away; all things are become new."
I believe that practicing a gay lifestyle is a sin, but we are supposed to hat sin, but love the sinner. being gay is no worse sin than a lot of sins that we do, including yourself, sin is sin. If a person continues in living a lifestyle of sin, no matter what the sin, they should not be accepted as a member of the church, but if they are one of those that Christ died for, they will be received into heaven.
 
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One thing, Don't consider yourself a gay. You're a big man now. You were gay prior to salvation. I believe the saying that " there's no gay can enter in heaven" and there is no such thing as "gay christian". We can call it former gay but BORN AGAIN now.

2 Corinthians 5:17 " Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is new creature: all things are passed away; all things are become new."
I disagree with you. There is such a thing as a gay Christian. All of us sin, and although that sin will keep us from fellowship with God until we repent it will not keep those that Christ died for from going to heaven.
 
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thats not good advice, thats like saying dont be a sinner. Your brother is confused, at least have the heart to help him out with a more helpful approach, then just come straight out dont be gay.

There are lots of verses in the bible that tells us about this sort of thing. God love's him, Not the sin, which is forbidden by God. Homosexuality is sin, no matter how people look it at. So God loves the sinner, he loves him, but not the sinful practices, He will have to make a serious choice whether to follow God, or his sexual sin. You can have cake and eat it as the saying goes. You cant be Christian, whcih means to be Chrst like, and be gay. Sin will not be allowed in heaven. So it would be more encouraging to hear encouraging words.
 
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"don't be a sinner" is exactly what ALL the messengers of yahweh preached. i.e "repent, renounce sin and turn to yahweh to do as he says"; i.e. turn around and stop obeying hasatan, obey yahweh instead, by faith and grace in yahshua.

i.e. cry out with all your strength to yahweh to see if perhaps he will grant mercy.

otherwise,

the only alternative is death - yahweh hardening the heart instead of showing mercy, and judgment.