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The question needs to be asked, what is marriage, who ordained it, what gives anyone the right to change it's meaning? If we can understand the basics, then we can comment further.
I'm not sure that it's in the bible where it states who ordained marriage. I do know that it says that what God has joined together let no man put asunder. I guess I'll go with that flow.
 

calibob

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I didn't say Paul, I intended to write 'In the book of Mathew Jesus said' and thought I did. If you'd like, I'll go on google and find the exact quote. So just send me a post and I'll get back with you later. If I am mistaken I will admit it. Fair enough? I was refering to harming children
 

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I disagree but not over gayness, I believe there is a special place in Hell for those who intentionally commit crimes against children.
You are welcome to have and voice any opinion that you like, it however is not biblical.
 

calibob

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Ok, I'll look it up later and respond. I've been wrong before and I don't preach it as doctrine
 

calibob

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mark 9;42&math 18;6 are the scriptures and it seems to me that this verse is singled out because it seems more serious to me than the others. I may be wong
 

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mark 9;42&math 18;6 are the scriptures and it seems to me that this verse is singled out because it seems more serious to me than the others. I may be wong
Jesus is simply saying that a person responsible for leading someone away from the truth of God's message is as good as dead himself. In context Jesus is preaching to Jews, some believe, most do not. The majority will put great pressure on the minority to turn away from the good news.
 

calibob

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Yes and amen, To me it indicates you'd be better off comiting suicide than plucking out an eye, or cutting off a limb to AVOID commiting such an horrific sin.
 

Embankment

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Sorry you're not making any sense at all. My name is not Paul, I never wrote the book of Romans so you are the false accuser here. You really need to repent.
You selectively quoted the Romans 1 , I merely continued the quote to show the actual message Paul was conveying.
 

MarkWilliams

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As Paul stated in Romans 2 each and every one of us deserves death for or sins. God in his mercy has giving us all life in The death and reserection of Jesus.
There are not big or little sins, not even special sins. Sin is sin and each and every one of us is guilty.
I would beg to differ on "there are not big or little sins". We know that God hates Sodomites more than other sinners, because of the way He destroyed them with fire and brimstone. So there's no way any Christian can accept Sodomites in the Church, we must never allow them to infiltrate the Church.
 

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I would beg to differ on "there are not big or little sins". We know that God hates Sodomites more than other sinners, because of the way He destroyed them with fire and brimstone. So there's no way any Christian can accept Sodomites in the Church, we must never allow them to infiltrate the Church.
I understand your position but it's just not biblical according to Jesus or the NT.
 

MarkWilliams

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I understand your position but it's just not biblical according to Jesus or the NT.
The Bible tells us to have no fellowship with them, we are not to be equally yoked with them. I don't know which Bible you read but it can't be the same as my one.
 

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The Bible tells us to have no fellowship with them, we are not to be equally yoked with them. I don't know which Bible you read but it can't be the same as my one.
That fellow Jesus made a ministry fellowshipshiping with sinners.
 

MarkWilliams

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That fellow Jesus made a ministry fellowshipshiping with sinners.
We need to understand what the word "fellowship" means here. Jesus was in the company of many kinds of sinners, but it wasn't fellowship as in affirming them in their sin and joining them in the practice of them. Rather he was in their company to heal them of their sins and to set them free from their bondage to their sin.
So let's be careful, to understand the scriptures in their right context.
I believe Jesus hates Sodomy and He will cast Sodomites into the ever lasting lake of fire.
 

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I would beg to differ on "there are not big or little sins". We know that God hates Sodomites more than other sinners, because of the way He destroyed them with fire and brimstone. So there's no way any Christian can accept Sodomites in the Church, we must never allow them to infiltrate the Church.

This is not true. Did not God say HE would not destroy the city if there was 10 righteous in it? This is the problem , we make God unreasonable to justify the sin we like to do. Fornicators , drunker and homosexuals etc.. do these things because they like it.

The Bible is clear there is pleasure in sin but for a season. And God was continually over and over we see Him sending the call to repent. It was only after God saw they would not change HE Judged them. Now we have Jesus and God is still calling people to repent. But those who do not answer the call and reject the Holy Spirit Roman 1 is clear they know right from wrong but they did not accept the truth and now hold the truth hostage. And become self-deceived and believe a lie. Finally, God turns them over to the very thing they desire. Roman chapter one is very clear.



The issue is today many churches due to PC have openly embraced the sin with the sinner. Jesus never did that He saved the Sinner and gave victory over the sin.
 

CS1

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We need to understand what the word "fellowship" means here. Jesus was in the company of many kinds of sinners, but it wasn't fellowship as in affirming them in their sin and joining them in the practice of them. Rather he was in their company to heal them of their sins and to set them free from their bondage to their sin.
So let's be careful, to understand the scriptures in their right context.
I believe Jesus hates Sodomy and He will cast Sodomites into the ever lasting lake of fire.
Jesus does not hate "Sodomy" and sin is what cast you into the lake of fire .
 

Embankment

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We need to understand what the word "fellowship" means here. Jesus was in the company of many kinds of sinners, but it wasn't fellowship as in affirming them in their sin and joining them in the practice of them. Rather he was in their company to heal them of their sins and to set them free from their bondage to their sin.
So let's be careful, to understand the scriptures in their right context.
I believe Jesus hates Sodomy and He will cast Sodomites into the ever lasting lake of fire.
True to an extent. However, none of us are free from sin nore do we instantly stop sinning because we are now saints with Jesus. Take for instance anger. Jesus says it's the equal to murder in God's eyes.
Do we never get angry?
 

MarkWilliams

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This is not true. Did not God say HE would not destroy the city if there was 10 righteous in it? This is the problem , we make God unreasonable to justify the sin we like to do. Fornicators , drunker and homosexuals etc.. do these things because they like it.

The Bible is clear there is pleasure in sin but for a season. And God was continually over and over we see Him sending the call to repent. It was only after God saw they would not change HE Judged them. Now we have Jesus and God is still calling people to repent. But those who do not answer the call and reject the Holy Spirit Roman 1 is clear they know right from wrong but they did not accept the truth and now hold the truth hostage. And become self-deceived and believe a lie. Finally, God turns them over to the very thing they desire. Roman chapter one is very clear.



The issue is today many churches due to PC have openly embraced the sin with the sinner. Jesus never did that He saved the Sinner and gave victory over the sin.
I'm all for accepting anyone into the Church who is willing to stop serving sin and start serving the Lord. You put it very well, most Churches confirm sinners and make them comfortable in their sin. A true and Biblical Church will preach repentance and encourage the sinner to trust in the Lord to give them a new life.
Jesus can heal every type of sinner, no matter what the sin is if they trust in Him and we should accommodate anyone who repents and is prepared to follow Christ.
 

MarkWilliams

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Jesus does not hate "Sodomy" and sin is what cast you into the lake of fire .
Doesn't God/Jesus hate all sin, and some sins more than others. that's the impression I get when I read about Sodom and Gamora
 

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Doesn't God/Jesus hate all sin, and some sins more than others. that's the impression I get when I read about Sodom and Gamora
the context of hate is separation Nothing unholy can stand before the living God. Yes God hates sin however, Jesus became the very symbol of punishment for sin AND freedom from sin. Jesus took the sin unto Himself and gives forgiveness of sin . The Gospel message is not “ God hates sin”. The Gospel message is Good news that Jesus paid for our sin and if we have faith in HIM we do not suffer the judgement of sin.
 

CS1

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Doesn't God/Jesus hate all sin, and some sins more than others. that's the impression I get when I read about Sodom and Gamora
You would be right IF God did not say first before he Judge Sodom, He would spare them.