Genesis 1:26 & 27 revisited, the ECHAD of God as ONE.

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Awesome thanks! Can you deduce from this it is saying, Christ (the child born) is or isn’t Jehovah? That is the question.
GINOLJC, to all.
a Child is "BORN", (flesh, bone and blood), a BODY, but a son, (spirit), is "GIVEN". supportive scripture, John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."

so what was BORN of Mary, IS a BODY, but what dwelt in that BODY is not of this WORLD, "GOD", meaning, the spirit, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

God was with us, by dwelling in that which was "BORN", a BODY of flesh, bone, and blood.

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Awesome thanks! Can you deduce from this it is saying, Christ (the child born) is or isn’t Jehovah? That is the question.
there are a thousand reasons in scripture to deduce that the Messiah is God -- i've tried to collect lots of them in this thread
 

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GINOLJC, to all.
a Child is "BORN", (flesh, bone and blood), a BODY, but a son, (spirit), is "GIVEN". supportive scripture, John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."

so what was BORN of Mary, IS a BODY, but what dwelt in that BODY is not of this WORLD, "GOD", meaning, the spirit, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

God was with us, by dwelling in that which was "BORN", a BODY of flesh, bone, and blood.

PICJAG,
101G.
You totally sidestepped the question. The powers of darkness in heavenly places are not of this world. It doesn’t make them spirit/God.
 

posthuman

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Not whether He is deity (God) but whether He is Jehovah.
i understand "He is deity" and "He is YHVH" to be equivalent -- there is only one God

I am the LORD, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me.

(Isaiah 45:5)

so for example when YHVH visits Abraham to tell him he will have a son, that is Christ, because 'no one has seen God at any time'
He's the invisible God made visible, the revealing of the unseen Father

many of the proofs collected in the thread i linked are proofs because they show Him to be equivalent to YHVH. Zechariah 12:10 is a very well-known one; it is YHVH who says "
they will look upon Me, who they have pierced" and it is Jesus who was pierced. therefore Jesus is Jehovah.
 
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first thanks for the reply, correct, picture image is good when one can see the object of concern. but God is abstract in nature, untill he took on flesh.

the ARM of GOD is a good example, a picture, a IMAGE of God's POWER. lets examine it.

The arm of flesh vs The Arm of the LORD, “authority”
2 Chronicles 32:7 "Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him: 8 With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah".

one of the failing prompts of the Unitarians, JW belief, and others in Doctrine, is this. they say, "Jesus is not God", and one of there excuses, "he could do nothing of himself", John 8:28 "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things”.

as the "the ARM of God", he was not authorized to act alone. this is clear as with the Assyrian army, (the ARM of Flesh). no army act alone, or on their own power. not even our, the American Army, just get up and go to war with another country without authorization from the commander in chief, or congress. just as my own arm don't wave unless I authorized it to wave. the head gives direction to the body. this is explained in the understanding of the use of POWER, the G1411 dunamis, and the G1849 exousia. just as the Army can do nothing of their own so do the Lord Jesus, he don't act alone. (he is our EXAMPLE), hence one of the reason why he was in G2758 keno, (to abase, neutralize, or make of none effect). but at his baptism he was authorized with G1849 exousia to act in the NAME of God, who doth the work. as to forgive sin, heal the sick, raise the dead, and so on..... as said, he is our example of how the G1849 exousia works. and that's why we, as 1 John 3:2a which states, "now we're the Sons of God". because we was not, before, sons of God with Power. by default we was the son of the evil one. our Lord Jesus having the NATURE, (see Phil 2:5) of God. yes, HAVING, is BEING IN THE FORM of God, having his nature, he took on our humanity. so that as the "KINSMAN" redeemer in flesh and blood he then could give that BLOOD, which is the LIFE of the flesh, (see Lev 17:11), and redeem man from sin. this is the "OBJECTIVE" of God, his plan, and his will. and “BEING” in that flesh he carried out his plan of salvation for Man. again his "OWN" arm brought salvation unto him, (see Isaiah 63:5). so that answers the “if Christ is God, how come he could do nothing of himself”. another excuse vanquish, and laid to the side. the Lord Jesus is the SHARED Spirit IN FLESH AND BONE, THAT IS A NUMERICIAL DIFFERENCE, meaning in concrete form. this is the reference in 2 Chronicles 32 an "ARM" of Flesh as the ARMY of the invading king of Assyria.

so in conclusion, the ARM of God is God, shared in flesh, as the "ANOTHER" of himself, as man, (the arm of flesh)... (smile), God's army of ONE.. so we can see from the example, our Lord the ordinal Last was the "ARM of FLESH", who did God's will.

now this example answers a whole lot of bibical question, like for example, why the Lord Jesus could do nothing of himself, or why he prayed not "TO" but pray the Father, and not "TO". but in intercessory only. and it also answer why the Father is GREATER... oh so much to learn.

PICJAG,
101G.

Much of what you wrote went over my head mainly because I don't know what "G1411 dunamis, and the G1849 exousia" are. Are they concordances? (I'll google them to see what they are)

I read the KJV with Strong's concordance for translation purposes. But, from what I did glean from your reply, sounds like you agree with me.

As for the "arm of flesh" versus the "arm of authority," there's a spiritual significance to that which I've learned from Isaiah mostly.

God has warned Israel, for instance, not to trust in Egypt or Pharaoh's army to save them. (Isaiah 36:6) Today, many professing Christians trust in their pastors and apologists and theologians to gain understanding of God's words to us. They have written many books and treatises. (Ecclesiastes 12:12) Interestingly, I see the concept of war horses, horses with riders, chariots, powerful animals of battle that people rely on to save them from the spiritual war.

Watch out, here comes "Dan the adder in the way" to bite the heels of the horses causing their riders to fall backwards. (Genesis 49:17)

That is an example of a "fleshly arm" that a huge number of Christians rely on to bring them to faith. God also says this:

Isaiah 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

That would be conferring to scholars, theologians, spiritual leaders and whatever of their writings in place of studying God's word. To cover with a covering would be to have confidence with what they said. And then, Dan, the adder, bites them in the heel and they and you fall backwards.

That is why I do not regard extrabiblical writings (with the exception of a translator) or consider the lectures or sermons of "Egypt" or "Pharaoh's army."

Isaiah 31:1 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD!

Egypt = house of worship
horses and chariots = clergy or spiritual leaders
horsemen that are very strong = theologians/apologists/clergy that are seemingly learned
look not unto the Holy One of Israel = not reading the Bible or hearing Jesus himself.

That's what I know about fleshly arms from the Bible. I could be wrong and my interpretation be way off. Take it with a grain of salt.
 
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Much of what you wrote went over my head mainly because I don't know what "G1411 dunamis, and the G1849 exousia" are. Are they concordances? (I'll google them to see what they are)

I read the KJV with Strong's concordance for translation purposes. But, from what I did glean from your reply, sounds like you agree with me.

As for the "arm of flesh" versus the "arm of authority," there's a spiritual significance to that which I've learned from Isaiah mostly.

God has warned Israel, for instance, not to trust in Egypt or Pharaoh's army to save them. (Isaiah 36:6) Today, many professing Christians trust in their pastors and apologists and theologians to gain understanding of God's words to us. They have written many books and treatises. (Ecclesiastes 12:12) Interestingly, I see the concept of war horses, horses with riders, chariots, powerful animals of battle that people rely on to save them from the spiritual war.

Watch out, here comes "Dan the adder in the way" to bite the heels of the horses causing their riders to fall backwards. (Genesis 49:17)

That is an example of a "fleshly arm" that a huge number of Christians rely on to bring them to faith. God also says this:

Isaiah 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

That would be conferring to scholars, theologians, spiritual leaders and whatever of their writings in place of studying God's word. To cover with a covering would be to have confidence with what they said. And then, Dan, the adder, bites them in the heel and they and you fall backwards.

That is why I do not regard extrabiblical writings (with the exception of a translator) or consider the lectures or sermons of "Egypt" or "Pharaoh's army."

Isaiah 31:1 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD!

Egypt = house of worship
horses and chariots = clergy or spiritual leaders
horsemen that are very strong = theologians/apologists/clergy that are seemingly learned
look not unto the Holy One of Israel = not reading the Bible or hearing Jesus himself.

That's what I know about fleshly arms from the Bible. I could be wrong and my interpretation be way off. Take it with a grain of salt.

Nevermind, I see G1411 dunamis, and the G1849 exousia are part of Strong's.
 

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i understand "He is deity" and "He is YHVH" to be equivalent -- there is only one God

I am the LORD, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me.

(Isaiah 45:5)

so for example when YHVH visits Abraham to tell him he will have a son, that is Christ, because 'no one has seen God at any time'
He's the invisible God made visible, the revealing of the unseen Father

many of the proofs collected in the thread i linked are proofs because they show Him to be equivalent to YHVH. Zechariah 12:10 is a very well-known one; it is YHVH who says "
they will look upon Me, who they have pierced" and it is Jesus who was pierced. therefore Jesus is Jehovah.
He addresses Himself as Yahweh, not Jehovah. Is Jehovah the Father, Yeshua the Son and the collective is Yahweh? Clearly there are other elohim. That is the word used for no other “god”. There are too many inconstancies. Is Yahweh the Spirit, Jehovah the physical manifestation the Father who walked with Adam and Yeshua Is Jehovah’s Son?
 

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He addresses Himself as Yahweh, not Jehovah. Is Jehovah the Father, Yeshua the Son and the collective is Yahweh? Clearly there are other elohim. That is the word used for no other “god”. There are too many inconstancies. Is Yahweh the Spirit, Jehovah the physical manifestation the Father who walked with Adam and Yeshua Is Jehovah’s Son?
'Jehovah' is just an alternate spelling of 'Yahweh' with Germanic etymology. J in German is equivalent to Y in English, like "Ja" ((which means yes)) is pronounced like "yah"

the Hebrew is written without any vowels. so what's written in the actual scripture is "YHVH" or "YHWH" ((the third letter doesn't have a direct English equivalent)) -- when making translations, people filled in vowels. in German Bibles ((which came around hundreds of years before English ones ever did)) they put Jehovah. in English that's written "Yehovah" - but the vowels are guesses. a few guesses later and we have "Yahweh" --- it's the same name just a variation in how the original is transcribed to another language.
 

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You totally sidestepped the question. The powers of darkness in heavenly places are not of this world. It doesn’t make them spirit/God.
first thanks for the reply, second nope, just stating facts. understand, in Isaiah 9:6 this child, this son is the "GOVERNOR", the government shall be upon his shoulder.

A. the Governor. Matthew 2:4 "And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born." Matthew 2:5 "And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet," Matthew 2:6 "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel." well lets see who this GOVERNOR is.... Psalms 22:28 "For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations."

B. "his name shall be called Wonderful". meaning miracle worker, for it is the Hebrew word, H6382 פֶּלֶא pele' (peh'-leh) n-m.
a miracle.
[from H6381]
KJV: marvellous thing, wonder(-ful, -fully).
Root(s): H6381

John 3:1 "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:" John 3:2 "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him." OK, "God" with him? lets see, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."
Isaiah 35:5 "Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped."
Isaiah 35:6 "Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert."

miracle, after miracle, after miracle. but it was GOD in flesh as Matthews 1:23 states, yes that "Child", that "Son". God with us.

C. Counsellor, meaning "COMFORTER" Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him."
consolation here is the Greek term G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870

one who HELP is a "HELPER", one who comfort is a "COMFORTER" BINGO, the bible tells you right in fron of one's face, but many are lazy and do not study.

"The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." self explanatory, as said before, one better start looking up words, and see what they mean. .

right there in Isaiah 9:6, not only God put it right in our faces, but as the proverb states, Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."

PICJAG,
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101G

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Much of what you wrote went over my head mainly because I don't know what "G1411 dunamis, and the G1849 exousia" are. Are they concordances? (I'll google them to see what they are)
Thanks for the reply, and yes you have the correct understanding. for we must TRUST in God, for he is the only one who the POWER.

sorry about the definitions, but this is the English word "POWER", my source, Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

Noun, G1411, dunamis, the ABILITY, or the MIGHT,

Noun, G1849, exousia, the FREEDOM, or the RIGHT to act in the POWER of G1411, dunamis.

you're on POINT.

PICJAG,
101G.
 

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'Jehovah' is just an alternate spelling of 'Yahweh' with Germanic etymology. J in German is equivalent to Y in English, like "Ja" ((which means yes)) is pronounced like "yah"
I thought Jehovah means self existent God and Yahweh means I am that I am.
the Hebrew is written without any vowels. so what's written in the actual scripture is "YHVH" or "YHWH" ((the third letter doesn't have a direct English equivalent)) -- when making translations, people filled in vowels. in German Bibles ((which came around hundreds of years before English ones ever did)) they put Jehovah. in English that's written "Yehovah" - but the vowels are guesses. a few guesses later and we have "Yahweh" --- it's the same name just a variation in how the original is transcribed to another language.
 

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'Jehovah' is just an alternate spelling of 'Yahweh' with Germanic etymology. J in German is equivalent to Y in English, like "Ja" ((which means yes)) is pronounced like "yah"

the Hebrew is written without any vowels. so what's written in the actual scripture is "YHVH" or "YHWH" ((the third letter doesn't have a direct English equivalent)) -- when making translations, people filled in vowels. in German Bibles ((which came around hundreds of years before English ones ever did)) they put Jehovah. in English that's written "Yehovah" - but the vowels are guesses. a few guesses later and we have "Yahweh" --- it's the same name just a variation in how the original is transcribed to another language.
Not saying that you're RIGHT, or WRONG, but consider this.

Jehovah, AKA Yahweh
lets go to the Bible. if the name Jehovah is true then use it, if not, discard it. just as Elijah told the people, "How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him". God give us the plain truth. Isaiah 52:6" Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I”. here is their ERROR. the name Jehovah comes from the Tetragrammaton with vowels added to it. why then did God tell Moses on the Mountain that his name was I AM THAT I AM, in Exodus 3:14. and then in a few chapter later in Exodus 6:3 God said this, "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name, "YHWH", or hayah, and as some translators write, JEHOVAH, (English), was I not known to them". Now if the name Jehovah, (truly “I AM”), was not known to Abraham, why was Abraham using the name Jehovah?, lets see Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-Jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen". now we have a problem, because Genesis come before Exodus. if God said Abraham didn't know him by that name, why was Abraham using that name?. this is the problem, either God is lying, (God forbid), or Abraham, or the name is
corrupt?, meaning man made. by process of elimination, I know God don't lie, and Abraham is the friend of God, so that leaves the name and its translation. now we need to look at that Tetragrammaton, and the Jews who translated it for us, the Masoretic. The Masoretic was European Jews who translated the Hebrew texts, into what we have today, the bible, (in English). by adding vowels to the Tetragrammaton and arriving at a made up name, they guessed at what the unpronounced name of God should be, when using vowel pointers . and when you add or take away from God word you will be heading for the ditch. the Jews had a reason why they added vowels, which goes very deep. which bring us to,

"The art of ineffability".
which means the art of hiding, and replacing a name.

Now the question is, what is God proper/PERSONAL name. is it Jehovah, English or Yahweh, in Hebrew, (we know it's not from the sbove conclusions). well it's neither, Jehovah, nor Yahweh. lets see how they derived those names from the tetragrammaton. The word "JEHOVAH" was formed by merging the three vowels (e, o, and a) into the Romanized (Latinized) four letter version JHVH to get, JeHoVaH. and the word "YAHWEH" was formed by merging the vowels (a, and e), into the four letter version to get, YaHWeH. so we have the English man made, and the Hebrew man made form of God's supposed unpronounced name. here is the mistake. they, (the translator), added vowels to the four letter consonant, to make up a name to pronounce. one can never add or take away from the WORD of God. they added vowels to give God a personal name, because they knew that YHWH is a verb, and not a noun. and because the suppose name was lost, which the Jews said was forbidden to pronounce, they made a guess at the name where vowel pointers should be. this was a grave mistake on their part. when you add to the word of God you just put the spiritual noose around your neck. arbitrarily, the translators injected the vowels into the four letter consonant to come up with the names, "YaHWeH", and, "JeHoVaH",

so God personal Name is "JESUS" the transliteration of the Hebrew "YESHUA", and it's strong #H3442. it is written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, it is a masculine noun that means, "He is salvation" or "He saves”. for only God SAVES. H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.

and the biggest MISTAKE of all is that "YHWH" is a VERB, and NOT a "NOUN". VERBs, which describe "ACTION". meaning YHWH describe "WHAT" God is vs as to "WHO" God is in Name. that is the BIG DIFFERENCE.

so the correct rendering of YHWH is, I AM THAT I AM, ot better I AM "WHAT" I AM, and not I AM WHO I AM. for a verb do not tell "WHO" you are, but WHAT you are.

PICJAG,
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Thanks for the reply, and yes you have the correct understanding. for we must TRUST in God, for he is the only one who the POWER.

sorry about the definitions, but this is the English word "POWER", my source, Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

Noun, G1411, dunamis, the ABILITY, or the MIGHT,

Noun, G1849, exousia, the FREEDOM, or the RIGHT to act in the POWER of G1411, dunamis.

you're on POINT.

PICJAG,
101G.
I hope you don't think I was referring to you about the "fleshly arm." I was talking about the general topic being discussed.

As for definitions and sources, I'm really ignorant of a lot of those tools. I know there are many Bible tools and I haven't learned all of them yet. Right now, Strong's concordance is the only reference I really know. I use the Blue Letter Bible link for it. It has other Bible Tools too. I think most Bible students are familiar with the site.

https://www.blueletterbible.org
 

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Not saying that you're RIGHT, or WRONG, but consider this.

Jehovah, AKA Yahweh
lets go to the Bible. if the name Jehovah is true then use it, if not, discard it. just as Elijah told the people, "How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him". God give us the plain truth. Isaiah 52:6" Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I”. here is their ERROR. the name Jehovah comes from the Tetragrammaton with vowels added to it. why then did God tell Moses on the Mountain that his name was I AM THAT I AM, in Exodus 3:14. and then in a few chapter later in Exodus 6:3 God said this, "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name, "YHWH", or hayah, and as some translators write, JEHOVAH, (English), was I not known to them". Now if the name Jehovah, (truly “I AM”), was not known to Abraham, why was Abraham using the name Jehovah?, lets see Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-Jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen". now we have a problem, because Genesis come before Exodus. if God said Abraham didn't know him by that name, why was Abraham using that name?. this is the problem, either God is lying, (God forbid), or Abraham, or the name is
corrupt?, meaning man made. by process of elimination, I know God don't lie, and Abraham is the friend of God, so that leaves the name and its translation. now we need to look at that Tetragrammaton, and the Jews who translated it for us, the Masoretic. The Masoretic was European Jews who translated the Hebrew texts, into what we have today, the bible, (in English). by adding vowels to the Tetragrammaton and arriving at a made up name, they guessed at what the unpronounced name of God should be, when using vowel pointers . and when you add or take away from God word you will be heading for the ditch. the Jews had a reason why they added vowels, which goes very deep. which bring us to,

"The art of ineffability".
which means the art of hiding, and replacing a name.

Now the question is, what is God proper/PERSONAL name. is it Jehovah, English or Yahweh, in Hebrew, (we know it's not from the sbove conclusions). well it's neither, Jehovah, nor Yahweh. lets see how they derived those names from the tetragrammaton. The word "JEHOVAH" was formed by merging the three vowels (e, o, and a) into the Romanized (Latinized) four letter version JHVH to get, JeHoVaH. and the word "YAHWEH" was formed by merging the vowels (a, and e), into the four letter version to get, YaHWeH. so we have the English man made, and the Hebrew man made form of God's supposed unpronounced name. here is the mistake. they, (the translator), added vowels to the four letter consonant, to make up a name to pronounce. one can never add or take away from the WORD of God. they added vowels to give God a personal name, because they knew that YHWH is a verb, and not a noun. and because the suppose name was lost, which the Jews said was forbidden to pronounce, they made a guess at the name where vowel pointers should be. this was a grave mistake on their part. when you add to the word of God you just put the spiritual noose around your neck. arbitrarily, the translators injected the vowels into the four letter consonant to come up with the names, "YaHWeH", and, "JeHoVaH",

so God personal Name is "JESUS" the transliteration of the Hebrew "YESHUA", and it's strong #H3442. it is written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, it is a masculine noun that means, "He is salvation" or "He saves”. for only God SAVES. H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.

and the biggest MISTAKE of all is that "YHWH" is a VERB, and NOT a "NOUN". VERBs, which describe "ACTION". meaning YHWH describe "WHAT" God is vs as to "WHO" God is in Name. that is the BIG DIFFERENCE.

so the correct rendering of YHWH is, I AM THAT I AM, ot better I AM "WHAT" I AM, and not I AM WHO I AM. for a verb do not tell "WHO" you are, but WHAT you are.

PICJAG,
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The origin of the word has value but understanding the “Who” we worship is the point. If Christ is His Father then nothing makes sense. Clearly there are two persons playing two roles with the Son subservient to the Father.
 

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I hope you don't think I was referring to you about the "fleshly arm." I was talking about the general topic being discussed.

As for definitions and sources, I'm really ignorant of a lot of those tools. I know there are many Bible tools and I haven't learned all of them yet. Right now, Strong's concordance is the only reference I really know. I use the Blue Letter Bible link for it. It has other Bible Tools too. I think most Bible students are familiar with the site.

https://www.blueletterbible.org
thanks for the reply, but the general topic is about the "ARM of God in flesh", as the ECHAD of his OWN-SELF, which is GOD'S "POWER" in flesh.

and now resurrected, and glorified in this NEW BODY, this is the amalgamation of that "POWER".

see OrphanedRepublican, JESUS is the "WISDOM", Proverb 8:22, and the "POWER" Genesis 1:1 that created, maintain, and RESTORING his creatuon. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

and we wonder why wisdom is described as feminine, and POWER as Masculine.

just as Adam the Male, Masculine, and Eve the female, feminine........ :unsure:

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The origin of the word has value but understanding the “Who” we worship is the point. If Christ is His Father then nothing makes sense. Clearly there are two persons playing two roles with the Son subservient to the Father.
thanks for the reply.... here's what make sense. Jesus is God alone.... in the ECHAD, of HIMSELF. as Ordinal First, he's CREATOR and MAKER of ALL THINGS, Titles, LORD, "Father". in the ECHAD, of HIMSELF. as Ordinal Last, he's SAVIOUR and REDEEMER of ALL THINGS, titles Lord, Son. in the ECHAD of his GLORIFICATION or Amalgamation of his ECHAD, he is the "SPIRIT" in a Glorified BODY just as Revelation portraits HIM, listen,
Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;"
Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"

BINGO, there he is,
A. " which is, and which was, and which is to come" . the GREAT I AM THAT I AM. "Father", the Ordinal First, LORD

B. "from the seven Spirits", and here's the key, "which are before his throne;" the Lamb who stands before the throne in Revelation chapter 5 is THE HOLY SPIRIT, Jesus who is the Amalgamation, or the GLORIFICATION, of the Ordinal First, and the Ordinal Last.

C. From "Jesus "Christ", the "Son", the Ordinal Last, the EQUAL "SHARE" of the GREAT I AM THAT I AM in Flesh, bone, and blood.

Oh this is too easy to understand.... see Hungry, this book is not from three persons, no only one PERSON.

for the "which is, and which was, and which is to come", "The Seven Spirit", and " faithful witness, the Lord Jesus Christ", is the SAME ONE PERSON.

so who we worship is "ONE" person..... "JESUS".

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Clearly there are two persons playing two roles with the Son subservient to the Father.
ERROR, lets put that nonesense to bed also,
“The subjection of Christ within God”

1 Corinthians 15:27 "For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all".

SUBJECT: G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso (hoop-ot-as'-so) v. According to Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English. the Greek word here, G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso, this word is used as a verb, and not a noun. (that will alert one quickly). as a verb one can quickly see, or understand what subject means here in context.
a.put within, b. will. lets look at both and understand this revelation. according to the second definition of subject in the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary as a verb, it means 2. To put under or within the power of. (there is our revelation, “within”, within the power of). lets back this up with our second understanding. G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso (hoop-ot-as'-so) as a verb which means 1. to subordinate
2. (reflexively) to obey
[from G5259 and G5021]
KJV: be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
please notice, the KJV can translate subject, G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso, as be under obedience, which bring us to our second understanding, "WILL". lets see this in scripture, Matthew 26:42 " He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done”. now here is the revelation. the Lord Jesus is God “OWN” arm. scripture, Isaiah 63:5 " And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me”. so being his “OWN” arm it is through, or “within” the agency of the Lord Jesus Christ that his, (GOD), OWN “will” is done, hence the obedience. this is proven out in the definition of G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso itself. the definition also states from G5259 and G5021, lets see what G5259 ὑπό hupo
(hoop-oh') states,
1.under
2.(with the genitive case) of place (beneath), or with verbs (the agency or means, through)
3.(with the accusative case) of place (whither (underneath) or where (below) or time (when (at)) In the comparative, it retains the same general applications, especially of inferior position or condition, and specially, covertly or moderately.
[a primary preposition]
KJV: among, by, from, in, of, under, with

examine definition #2 above carefully, it said, when used as a verb. there is our conformation, the agency or means, “through”. and “through” is synonyms with “WITHIN”. so when G5259 is use in VERB form, meaning with a verb as in “BE” subject as here in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 then it is understood to be used as the “agency or means, through”. other words Isaiah 63:5 is totally correct and on point when God said, " And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me”. the power is in, or within God “own” arm, which the Lord Jesus christ is, “God’s own arm. that’s all that is needed, the Holy Spirit, (the Revelator) and an old English dictionary like the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary. the Holy Spirit will enable us, or give us the ability to root out words and their meaning to understand the old English language used at that time when the bible was written.

so by the verb "BE" in front of SUBJECT, it changes the meaning of the definition. see how easy it is to render the TRUTH? just study with the Holy Spirit, and he will guide us in all TRUTHS, I highly recommend him as your TEACHER.

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thanks for the reply, but the general topic is about the "ARM of God in flesh", as the ECHAD of his OWN-SELF, which is GOD'S "POWER" in flesh.

and now resurrected, and glorified in this NEW BODY, this is the amalgamation of that "POWER".

see OrphanedRepublican, JESUS is the "WISDOM", Proverb 8:22, and the "POWER" Genesis 1:1 that created, maintain, and RESTORING his creatuon. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

and we wonder why wisdom is described as feminine, and POWER as Masculine.

just as Adam the Male, Masculine, and Eve the female, feminine........ :unsure:

PICJAG,
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I wondered the same thing. I was perceiving that "wisdom" even though spoken of in the feminine, was Jesus personified in the Proverbs. Also, I have perceived that the Proverbs 31 wife is also Jesus personified.

As a woman, I find Proverbs 31 discouraging because no woman can be as the Proverbs 31 wife. She's too wise, too righteous, to intelligent, to diligent, etc. It's impossible even to aspire to such a high example.

But, a couple verses in there solidified it for me and I know that the Proverbs 31 wife is Jesus personified.

Proverbs 31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. (This is a heavenly scenario he's one of many of the Bride of Christ.)

Proverbs 31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her. (All praise is to God.)

And this verse clinches it, that Proverbs 31 wife is Jesus personified.

Proverbs 31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all. (There is no man that can equal the virtues of Jesus, though we strive to follow in his ways.)
 

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I wondered the same thing. I was perceiving that "wisdom" even though spoken of in the feminine, was Jesus personified in the Proverbs. Also, I have perceived that the Proverbs 31 wife is also Jesus personified.

As a woman, I find Proverbs 31 discouraging because no woman can be as the Proverbs 31 wife. She's too wise, too righteous, to intelligent, to diligent, etc. It's impossible even to aspire to such a high example.

But, a couple verses in there solidified it for me and I know that the Proverbs 31 wife is Jesus personified.

Proverbs 31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. (This is a heavenly scenario he's one of many of the Bride of Christ.)

Proverbs 31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her. (All praise is to God.)

And this verse clinches it, that Proverbs 31 wife is Jesus personified.

Proverbs 31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all. (There is no man that can equal the virtues of Jesus, though we strive to follow in his ways.)
Thanks fo the reply, but before you get on a tagent, please understand in both Proverbs the feminine rending is FUNCTION. an example of this, Exodus 29:10 "And thou shalt cause a bullock to be brought before the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the bullock."

Aaron and his sons are "males" correct, but if you would notice how their hands are rendered, feminine, look t the definition of Hand,
H3027 יָד yad (yawd) n-f.
1. a hand (
the open one (indicating power, means, direction, etc.), in distinction from H3709, the closed one).
2. used (as noun, adverb, etc.) in a great variety of applications, both literally and figuratively, both proximate and remote (as follows).
[a primitive word]

see how it is desiginated? "f" meaning feminine. but Aaron and his sons are males, masculine. see the difference now? not that their hands was feminine, but the FUNCTION of the their hands.

another example, a vehicle, or a car is given feminine names, WHY? because of the FUNCTION, other words a car "CARRIES" people from one place to another, so the FUNCTION of the Car, is just as a woman, she "CARRIES" in her womb. so is the desigination of a car name, not that the car is feminine, but it's FUNCTION.

Hope that helped.

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